Allied planes or Axis planes? Bombers, fighters? What do you prefer to take to the skies in

[Rolling_Thunder]

Axis the 109s and the 190s. Allies the spitfire, but it never has enough ammo. Never been fond of Soviet aircraft although i have a soft spot for the collector yak. The P40s engine never lasts long in my care. I am definately looking forward to the P51, the P47, spit and K4 in that order.

Edited December 12, 2017 by Rolling_Thunder

[Jade_Monkey]

The P40s engine never lasts long in my care.

The combat rating is only for 5 min, whereas most fighters in game have a 30 min combat rating. Even then it just doesnt perform very well, or I'm doing it all wrong.

 

I said it somewhere else but I hope the P39 is not identical when it comes to engine settings. Otherwise it will collect dust in a forgotten hangar.

Edited December 12, 2017 by Jade_Monkey

[Custard]

Yeah true, its kinda sad that Germans allwass get the BF109 / FW190 for each addon

At the end of the day though, what else are you gonna give them for fighters that isn't a total unicorn?

[Tomsk]

Yeah true, its kinda sad that Germans allwass get the BF109 / FW190 for each addon

 

What else would you ever need? :-)

[CIA_Yankee_]

The Spitfire is definitely my favourite ride, all things being equal.

 

But in BoS, where our Spit is rather outdated, I find myself attracted to the Yak-1b. The Yak-1 is a fun ride to start with... give it the added performance and firepower of the 1b, along with that heavenly bubble canopy, and it's wonderful.

 

That being said, my hope is that the Airacobra becomes my new favourite ride, once it's released. Good performance, awesome firepower, and actual quality cockpit instrumentation are a good combination.

[Guest deleted@134347]

I like the MC.202 Series VIII.

 

It's a very strange plane to fly, but it's so darn confusing for everyone around it that if you master it you may have an upper hand in a lot of situations. The only drawback is its armament in WOL they've disabled its awesome cannons leaving with a rain of .50 led which is good but you'd need to hang on the enemy's 6 for a wee bit longer compared to couple of massive nuclear hits with 20mm.

[CUJO_1970]

Picture these, lol

 

CUJO1970 1945, formation flying with Corsairs in the pacific in his Fw-190.

CUJO1970 1952, shooting down F-86Fs alongside the North Korean MiG-15s in his Fw-190.

 

CUJO1970 1990, strafing M1A1s... in his Fw-190.

 

CUJO1970 2129, shooting down alien ships in space in his Fw-190?

 

"Just give me a Focke-Wulf and I'm good." 

 

 

 

I find these terms acceptable

[=362nd_FS=RoflSeal]

The combat rating is only for 5 min, whereas most fighters in game have a 30 min combat rating. Even then it just doesnt perform very well, or I'm doing it all wrong.

 

I said it somewhere else but I hope the P39 is not identical when it comes to engine settings. Otherwise it will collect dust in a forgotten hangar.

P-39 and most US fighters at that are 5 min WEP at 51"hg, later 60"hg and 15 min combat at 44"hg

We are probably are gonna get 51"hg which is 1325hp.

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

At the end of the day though, what else are you gonna give them for fighters that isn't a total unicorn?

IAR-80 please! We got the Macchi, time to go Romanian.

[Finkeren]

IAR-80 please! We got the Macchi, time to go Romanian.

As much as I like the IAR-80 and would like to see it in this sim at some point, it is a bit of a unicorn. 170 produced total is not a whole lot.

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

As much as I like the IAR-80 and would like to see it in this sim at some point, it is a bit of a unicorn. 170 produced total is not a whole lot.

Romania wasn't exactly a production powerhouse, and the 81 could basically be a mod since we have the ground attack mod for the 190 for instance. So you can probably count the 176 built in the 81 series as well, for 346.

 

How many Spit V's did the Russians receive? :D

[Finkeren]

How many Spit V's did the Russians receive? :D

True dat. I’d have gone for a late series LaGG-3 over a Spit any day. For Eastern Front the Spit is a unicorn too, and as much fun as it is, including it in BoK was pure fan service.

 

I’d take the IAR-80/81 over the Spit as well.

[sniperton]

From a gaming perspective the main problem is that the Axis fighter inventory is a bit dull compared to the Allied one. The Axis only has 4 basic fighter designs (109 E7, 109 F/G series, 190 series, and the Macchi), while the Allied has the I-16, the LaGG, the La-5, the Yak, the MiG, and the 3 landlease types, altogether 8 highly individual fighter aircrafts (where I counted the 3 Yak subtypes as but one). This reflects history, and it's clear that the devs can't rewrite history, but it's also clear that from a gaming perspective any Axis type would be most welcome if it's historically relevant, no matter what the production numbers say.

Probably the IAR wouldn't be competitive (and therefore attractive) online, but it could be meaningfully included in SP campaigns and would be certainly more attractive to a bunch of SP people than the Nth 109 version.

[Tomsk]

From a gaming perspective the main problem is that the Axis fighter inventory is a bit dull compared to the Allied one. 

 

 

I personally don't find them dull as both the 109 and 190 changed a lot as the war went on. The 109 E7 is a very different aircraft to the 109 F4, which itself is very different to a 109 K4. They handle very differently, you have to fly them quite differently. They also faced very different opponents. Similarly with the 190, the A3 is pretty different from the A8, which is very different to the D9. They are maybe more alike than the 109s, but they are still different. 

 

Everyone has their own opinion of course, but personally I'd rather see the dev team focus on getting the common aircraft that will let them explore more theatres (like Bodenplatte, and then the Pacific) rather than creating "unicorns" like the IAR.

[PatrickAWlson]

I agree that the primary planes need to be represented, otherwise the sim feels arcadish.  I have to admit that it is always fun to find (and kill) a unicorn.  I collect the horns.

 

IMHO the base packs need to have the core aircraft.  The unicorns should be add on or collectors.

[sniperton]

The 109 E7 is a very different aircraft to the 109 F4, which itself is very different to a 109 K4.

I've never claimed the opposite, and I've never argued for the inclusion of true unicorns like the He-112 or the Re.2000.

I simply stated that the 109 F2/F4/G2/G4[/G6] are very similar aircraft to fly in contrast to what the VVS has in BoM/BoS/BoK.

Edited December 13, 2017 by sniperton

[Tomsk]

I've never claimed the opposite, and I've never argued for the inclusion of true unicorns like the He-112 or the Re.2000.

I simply stated that the 109 F2/F4/G2/G4[/G6] are very similar aircraft to fly in contrast to what the VVS has in BoM/BoS/BoK.

 

Hmm so it seems we basically agree with each other. Now I've been observing the forum to try and work out the etiquette for this situation. So based on what seems to happen on every other thread, it seems the most appropriate thing for us to do at this point is to start a huge flame war arguing over the tiniest detail, with lots of ad-hominem attacks and personal insults. Then we should go totally off topic and argue about something totally unrelated, before the whole thread gets locked.

 

But I was never one for convention, so I think I'll just say: Okay, cool :-)

Edited December 13, 2017 by Tomsk

[xvii-Dietrich]

Back on topic...

 

 

TLDR: Who do you prefer to fly for? Axis or allies? Do you generally fly Bombers, Attackers, fighters? Do you have a particular plane or group of planes you gravitate towards?

 

I fly Axis aircraft (Germany, Finland).

 

Ideally I'd fly maritime patrol, sea-transport or recon. (I'm hoping that one day there will be a seaplane in BoX (example). Or proper reconnaissance. Or both!)

 

But just at the moment, I mostly fly regular transport with the Ju 52/3m g4e, and occasionally occasionally dabble with the He 111 H-6, FW 190 A-3 and Ju 88 A-4.

 

 

[sniperton]

@Tomsk: very well said, brother

 

Back on topic. I fly everything, both VVS and LW, both fighters and ground pounders. I love variety, and I prefer the underdogs. Still I'm more a fighter guy than anything else to 65/35%. Consequently, I love the P-40 and MiG, then the 109 E7 and the 110, then the LaGG and Macchi, etc, etc. I'd love (and pay for) a Finnish Brewster and an IAR.

[Dakpilot]

Hmm so it seems we basically agree with each other. Now I've been observing the forum to try and work out the etiquette for this situation. So based on what seems to happen on every other thread, it seems the most appropriate thing for us to do at this point is to start a huge flame war arguing over the tiniest detail, with lots of ad-hominem attacks and personal insults. Then we should go totally off topic and argue about something totally unrelated, before the whole thread gets locked.

 

But I was never one for convention, so I think I'll just say: Okay, cool :-)

BURN HIM!!

 

:)

 

Personally I enjoy everything, each new addition brings more interest

 

Now if I can just complete my computer update I could enjoy all the new toys instead of just reading about them there seems to be so much to look forward to I really don't know which way to turn

 

Cheers, Dakpilot

[Mukai]

Back on topic...

 

 

 

I fly Axis aircraft (Germany, Finland).

 

Ideally I'd fly maritime patrol, sea-transport or recon. (I'm hoping that one day there will be a seaplane in BoX (example). Or proper reconnaissance. Or both!)

 

But just at the moment, I mostly fly regular transport with the Ju 52/3m g4e, and occasionally occasionally dabble with the He 111 H-6, FW 190 A-3 and Ju 88 A-4.

 

Reading this reminds me how much fun it was to just fly around in the felixstowe floatplane in Rise of Flight! Just for the sense of fun I'd love if they were added to the game. Or if we get the Pacific I hope we at least get the PBY Catalina!!! That thing was awesome!!!  

[xvii-Dietrich]

Reading this reminds me how much fun it was to just fly around in the felixstowe floatplane in Rise of Flight! Just for the sense of fun I'd love if they were added to the game. Or if we get the Pacific I hope we at least get the PBY Catalina!!! That thing was awesome!!!

 

I still fly a lot of Rise of Flight precisely for the seaplanes. RoF has the best water-handling of any flight sim. I'm currently doing the "Spider's Web" campaign (Felixstowe maritime patrol) for the N^th time. Very rewarding! My favourite though is still the Hansa-Brandenburg W.12.  I am so desperate for them to add a seaplane to BoX.

 

Hmm... Sorry for the off-topic.

[hames123]

True dat. I’d have gone for a late series LaGG-3 over a Spit any day. For Eastern Front the Spit is a unicorn too, and as much fun as it is, including it in BoK was pure fan service.

 

I’d take the IAR-80/81 over the Spit as well.

They shouls give us an empty ocean map and claim it is the med. Then we can use them properly.

 

We can even have historical missions flying against Ju 52s flying to resupply the Afrika Korps. The P-40 and Spitfire against the ME 109.

Edited December 14, 2017 by hames123

[Jade_Monkey]

They shouls give us an empty ocean map and claim it is the med. Then we can use them properly.

 

We can even have historical missions flying against Ju 52s flying to resupply the Afrika Korps. The P-40 and Spitfire against the ME 109.

You can probably do that right now in Kuban. Half of the map is a huge (seriously, HUGE) patch of ocean. We just need some imagination.

Slap some Mediterranean skins and go for it

[DakkaDakkaDakka]

I only fly MP, and I almost exclusively fly Allies. My favorites are the I-16, the Spitfire, with the Yak-1b. I know how to BnZ but I just find TnB more my style. These planes suit me perfectly, though when faced with smart LW pilots I often have a tough time.