On the topic of Thunderbolts

[LeLv76_Erkki]

Also since we get summer and autumn maps too, there will surely be mid 1944 scenarios that wont have 190 D-9, 109 K-4 or Tempest.

[MiloMorai]

2 hours ago, LeLv76_Erkki said:

Also since we get summer and autumn maps too, there will surely be mid 1944 scenarios that wont have 190 D-9, 109 K-4 or Tempest.

 

3, 56 and 486 Squadrons with Tempest were based at B.80 from late Sept '44. Tempests had losses and claims over the continent during the summer of '44.

[LeLv76_Erkki]

2 minutes ago, MiloMorai said:

 

3, 56 and 486 Squadrons with Tempest were based at B.80 from late Sept '44. Tempests had losses and claims over the continent during the summer of '44.

 

Yes and 109 Ks in October already but that doesnt mean mission makers have to always include them.

[MiloMorai]

That would be mid-Oct.

[Willy__]

On 9/24/2018 at 11:47 AM, Tony_Kito said:

Wondering (and hoping) that the Devs manage to squeeze in one of the Brazilian Air Force P-47's

 

Since we get a few less known skins for each plane in the game I figured it'd be fitting for the P-47, the USAF skins are already gonna get a whole lot of love from everyone anyway.

 

 

 

 

+1

 

Just a reminder so people wont forget about it 

[Talon_]

2 hours ago, MiloMorai said:

 

3, 56 and 486 Squadrons with Tempest were based at B.80 from late Sept '44. Tempests had losses and claims over the continent during the summer of '44.

 

Wg. Cdr. R.P. "Bee" Beaumont first touched wheels on the continent on 28th September 1944, when the three Tempest squadrons of 150 wing landed at B.60 Grimbergen to replace the Mustang squadrons of 122 wing. Two days later they moved to B.80 Volkel, on which the Tempest squadrons 80 and 274 would join them on the 7th October.

[Kurfurst]

10 hours ago, Talon_ said:

 

Wg. Cdr. R.P. "Bee" Beaumont first touched wheels on the continent on 28th September 1944, when the three Tempest squadrons of 150 wing landed at B.60 Grimbergen to replace the Mustang squadrons of 122 wing. Two days later they moved to B.80 Volkel, on which the Tempest squadrons 80 and 274 would join them on the 7th October.

 

Would make for terrific historical missions where the mission objective will be to take off and then land at another airbase and then have some tea.

[CountZero]

14 hours ago, Willy__ said:

 

+1

 

Just a reminder so people wont forget about it 

 

i also hope we will get more variations of skins from differant airforces that used p-47s in ww2, and not just usaaf.

More offical skins the better as most servers now dont alove costum skins for various reasons

[Psyrion]

3 hours ago, 77.CountZero said:

 

i also hope we will get more variations of skins from differant airforces that used p-47s in ww2, and not just usaaf.

More offical skins the better as most servers now dont alove costum skins for various reasons

"Most servers" is pretty untrue as only Wings and Finnish have banned custom skins for whatever (bs) reason. 

 

[BlitzPig_EL]

Sadly that would be most (actually populated) servers.

[Cpt_Siddy]

9 hours ago, Psyrion said:

"Most servers" is pretty untrue as only Wings and Finnish have banned custom skins for whatever (bs) reason. 

 

 

I WONDER WHY....

[Gambit21]

Reminds me of Pedro's ugly, hot pink "Hello Kitty" Spitfire skin from back in 46. He used to run that skin in CoOps etc.

Last time I saw that skin I was following him straight down after a merge and put a few MK 108's round into that thing....I hated that skin.

 

 

[Poochnboo]

On 10/12/2018 at 9:47 PM, Y-29.Silky said:

It was up to the pilots. I've read a couple memoirs where P-51 and P-47 pilots stuck with their razorbacks rather than bubble canopy. 

Well...I suppose up to a certain point. But when an airplane was declared war weary it was gone. And, of course, razorback Thunderbolts were at Bodenplatte. There were razorbacks still in operation with some units until the end of the war. If an airframe still had some life left in it, it wasn't junked just because a newer model was delivered. I think some may believe that as the bubble tops came along the razorback jugs were pushed off to the side, but that wasn't the case. As the first P-47-D25's began to be shipped there were still plenty of undelivered razorback D-23's sitting at replacement depots. As units called for replacement airplanes, they had to go out first. 

[Legioneod]

2 hours ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

I WONDER WHY....

 

No one else can even see other players skins unless they have it installed. Custom skins are invisible to everyone except for the players that have the skin installed.

 

If someone has a hello kitty skin who cares, you can't see it anyways.

[Cpt_Siddy]

4 hours ago, Legioneod said:

 

No one else can even see other players skins unless they have it installed. Custom skins are invisible to everyone except for the players that have the skin installed.

 

If someone has a hello kitty skin who cares, you can't see it anyways.

 

 

True, i guess it is an old habit from time gone by.

 

I used to fly in old IL2 with 262 skinned with black, scantly clad, muscular gentle men.

 

Also remember the fella called Troll2k that used to fly quite flamboyant skinned planes

Edited October 15, 2018 by Cpt_Siddy

[LeLv76_Erkki]

Its probably because some people have used neon color skins to help spotting, following and ID-ing each other. Since nobody else outside of the group sees those skins, they gain advantage without any negatives.

[Psyrion]

23 minutes ago, LeLv76_Erkki said:

Its probably because some people have used neon color skins to help spotting, following and ID-ing each other. Since nobody else outside of the group sees those skins, they gain advantage without any negatives.

I still dont think that is even close to a good enough reason to lock skins. Especially when the servers in question are not exactly the most competetive. 

[TWC_Ace]

53 minutes ago, Psyrion said:

I still dont think that is even close to a good enough reason to lock skins. Especially when the servers in question are not exactly the most competetive. 

I dont agree. And...unticking the custom skins option was a part of stutters solved solution fot many of us...

Edited October 15, 2018 by blackram

[CountZero]

p-47 should atleast have 20-30 official skins, its only fair for airplane of that importance ?

[Psyrion]

3 hours ago, blackram said:

I dont agree. And...unticking the custom skins option was a part of stutters solved solution fot many of us...

If someone else has a custom skin on their client has exactly nothing to do with stutters on your side. 

The option in the settings is for 4k skins.

And even if it was that way that would still be clientside and have nothing to do with locking skins serverside.

 

All locking skins on servers does is take a part of the fun away for people for no real reason other than "someone somewhere might use it to "cheat"".

[Legioneod]

5 hours ago, LeLv76_Erkki said:

Its probably because some people have used neon color skins to help spotting, following and ID-ing each other. Since nobody else outside of the group sees those skins, they gain advantage without any negatives.

I don't see how this is a real big advantage. Skins fade out after a certain distance anyways and become useless, I've only ever really noticed them at closer ranges.

 

I don't see much point in even making skins anymore when I can't even use or see others with them.

5 minutes ago, Psyrion said:

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All locking skins on servers does is take a part of the fun away for people for no real reason other than "someone somewhere might use it to "cheat"".

 

Agreed. There is absolutely no way to prove someone used skins to cheat, so server owners are just operating out of fear that something might happen.

It's just a ridiculous excuse and makes all the hard work skinners have done pretty much useless.

 

Anyways, lets try to get back onto topic. What skins would players like to see most as official skins?

Can't have a proper P-47 without having the paint scheme of it's leading ace.

 

 

Edited October 15, 2018 by Legioneod

[LeLv76_Erkki]

Its not so much about ability spot your friends(except against the terrain) but rather ability to ID them immediately. You dont use winter skins in summer either do you? Neon orange works even better. And best of it all is that to others planes still appear to have stock skins.

 

Its basically exploiting or even cheating. I hope we will one day have skin and decal system similar to the old Il-2...

[Legioneod]

5 minutes ago, LeLv76_Erkki said:

Its not so much about ability spot your friends(except against the terrain) but rather ability to ID them immediately. You dont use winter skins in summer either do you? Neon orange works even better. And best of it all is that to others planes still appear to have stock skins.

 

Its basically exploiting or even cheating. I hope we will one day have skin and decal system similar to the old Il-2...

 

I don't use winter skins unless I forget, but it's still a poor excuse to ban skins. There are plenty of exploits people use in-game already that aren't even close to real life, yet no one complains.

[LeLv76_Erkki]

Just now, Legioneod said:

 

I don't use winter skins unless I forget, but it's still a poor excuse to ban skins. There are plenty of exploits people use in-game already that aren't even close to real life, yet no one complains.

 

I dont say its worth it to ban customs skins, what I say is that is one of the reasons and exploiting the skins system does provide unfair advantage. How much one cares about that is different question. The second custom skins can be shared via server it will cease to be a problem and the real life pros and cons to high visibility paint schemes will apply.

[Legioneod]

Just now, LeLv76_Erkki said:

 

I dont say its worth it to ban customs skins, what I say is that is one of the reasons and exploiting the skins system does provide unfair advantage. How much one cares about that is different question. The second custom skins can be shared via server it will cease to be a problem and the real life pros and cons to high visibility paint schemes will apply.

I prefer the way Il2 BoX does skins, I really don't feel like downloading tons of skins that I don't want, just to be able to play on the server.

[LeLv76_Erkki]

Just now, Legioneod said:

I prefer the way Il2 BoX does skins, I really don't feel like downloading tons of skins that I don't want, just to be able to play on the server.

 

How it works in 1946 is that if there are skins you dont have yet, you will see stock skins until the missing custom skins are loaded. And one can adjust upload and download rates(somewhat anyway). And custom skins can be disabled entirely, if wanted.

[Bremspropeller]

There are countless 9th AF skins I'd like to see for the Thunderbolt.

[Guest deleted@83466]

I don't want to further the drift of this thread from Thunderbolts to how skins are handled, but I'll put in my 2 cents.  In RoF, as most of you know, skins were subject to a community approval process, and then submitted to the developers for a final integrity check, and incorporation into the game as an Official skin pack.  That way everybody could have a large amount of skins, and nobody had to worry that other players might be up to no good (flourescent planes only wingmen could see, transparent parts, or just flat out dumb, unrealistic skins etc).  So, unless there is some plan to do something similar with BoX, I'm fully in support of the bans against custom skins that certain servers have enacted.  Ok, rant over...back to Thunderbolts.

[PainGod85]

15 hours ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

I WONDER WHY....

 

 

[-TBC-AeroAce]

Said a million times before but unless they make the skins default to the correct colours for people that don't have them download I will not use them.

[Legioneod]

1 hour ago, AeroAce said:

Said a million times before but unless they make the skins default to the correct colours for people that don't have them download I will not use them.

What do you mean, like a winter skin and summer skin?

[Talon_]

10 hours ago, LeLv76_Erkki said:

Its probably because some people have used neon color skins to help spotting, following and ID-ing each other. Since nobody else outside of the group sees those skins, they gain advantage without any negatives.

 

Who cares? Do you think this is an esport?

[LeLv76_Erkki]

Just now, Talon_ said:

 

Who cares? Do you think this is an esport?

 

The people who do that seem to care enough. Would you mind if people cheated in some other way - its not an esport so cares, correct? No, I dont think its a big deal. I just provided a reason why custom skins arent enabled to people who were wondering about it.

[Talon_]

3 minutes ago, LeLv76_Erkki said:

 

The people who do that seem to care enough. Would you mind if people cheated in some other way - its not an esport so cares, correct? No, I dont think its a big deal. I just provided a reason why custom skins arent enabled to people who were wondering about it.

 

Naturally this issue is not black and white. Some cheats are worse than others, and this supposed cheat is almost totally negligible.

 

IL-2 has no cheat protection whatsoever. Cheaters fly hacked FMs and invincible planes, not custom skins...

 

Plus, custom skins avoid issues like the Spitfire IX has. This is a plane used until the end of the war, but only 2 of the skins we have are accurate to our time period, and no skins at all that were used in 1945.

[Guest deleted@83466]

What do you mean "e sport?"  Let's just call it a competitive online game.  You might not personally care if some bad actors might use something like Day-Glo skins that only their wingmen have...but other people do care, so that's the way it is. 

[-TBC-AeroAce]

21 minutes ago, Legioneod said:

What do you mean, like a winter skin and summer skin?

 

Yeah. So if you take a custom skin on a summer map and other players have not got the custom skin, they will see you in the winter skin.

[Legioneod]

2 minutes ago, AeroAce said:

 

Yeah. So if you take a custom skin on a summer map and other players have not got the custom skin, they will see you in the winter skin.

? I meant a summer default for summer maps and a winter default for winter maps.

[Psyrion]

@AeroAce The other way around but yes. That is actually something I would like to see in the game. I tend to just put up with it and enjoy my custom 4k skins.

[-TBC-AeroAce]

5 minutes ago, Psyrion said:

@AeroAce The other way around but yes. That is actually something I would like to see in the game. I tend to just put up with it and enjoy my custom 4k skins.

 

I was talking about the current situation not what we want.

[Garven]