La-5FN, anyone?

[FTC_Riksen]

Let's just put that on the list too ... let's see a plane that goes 600km/h on deck, turns better than a Spotfire, Climbs at 22m/s, infinite boost, and why not a improved canopy with no frames ... heck it ... lets just make a transparent aircfaft all together

 

Note ... its just a joke!

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

I thought jokes are supposed to be funny? 

[FTC_Riksen]

I thought jokes are supposed to be funny? 

 

It's ok ... Those with a functioning cerebral cortex will laugh

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Bwahaha Riksen has become German 

[purK]

Let's just put that on the list too ... let's see a plane that goes 600km/h on deck, turns better than a Spotfire, Climbs at 22m/s, infinite boost, and why not a improved canopy with no frames ... heck it ... lets just make a transparent aircfaft all together

 

Note ... its just a joke!

 

The only thing funny about this is that you probably truly believe this part. 

[Field-Ops]

So I've taken La-5 for a spin and on a first flight on WoL (yeah yeah, I know, "that" server) managed to score 8 kills in less than hour. La-5(F) can really become monster if you use it well and hit that boost button, but I got to ask if La-5FN delivers any improved front view ? Like was pilot seat raised or something changed ? Because we all know about rear view, but front view is pretty poor as well with cramped canopy, raised gunsight, air intake sticking above nose of the aircraft ... its really hard to make good deflection shots. 

If you notice in our current La-5 the flat windscreen canopy is more cramped in the forward view than the regular canopy. The La-5FN will have this cramped canopy by default + armored windscreen. See the screenshot. 

[Finkeren]

As we can see with the Spitfire Mk. V in BoX vs. the Mk. IX in DCS, how much vision is impaired (in a simulation anyway) really depends a lot on how that armoured glass is mounted.

[=RvE=Windmills]

I love the sensation of impending doom going on about the FN.

[Gambit21]

I thought jokes are supposed to be funny?

 

It's JG humor - not funny to the general population.

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

I love the sensation of impending doom going on about the FN.

Yes, but will VVS still cry in chat if you don't come down to turn'n'burn with them?

[Dakpilot]

Some undoubtedly will, but the rest will be hunting in P-39's while A-20's and IL-2's escorted by LA-5fn's clear the map.. Meanwhile a lot of new(b) G6 pilots will be finding out the hard way that the new 30mm Wonder weapon is for shooting large bombers and not for dogfights

 

(humour)

 

Cheers, Dakpilot

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

Oh yes. I can't wait for the 30mm whines. The first time a peshka eats one and doesn't disintegrate it will be bloody murder.

Edited December 10, 2017 by hrafnkolbrandr

[Dakpilot]

 

Replace lyrics :

 

Badger = mineshell

 

Mushroom = 109/190

 

Snake = La-5fn

 

Cheers

 

Dakpilot

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

If you notice in our current La-5 the flat windscreen canopy is more cramped in the forward view than the regular canopy. The La-5FN will have this cramped canopy by default + armored windscreen. See the screenshot. 

I see. Well, I stick to regular windscreen instead of flat precisely for the reason of having slightly better frontal view. 

[Brano]

If you fly La-5 with M-82F engine,you should have flat windshield installed as well. It was like that from 9th series up in real life. F version engines started to appear at Zavod No.21 somewhere around 10.-11. series.

[Finkeren]

If you fly La-5 with M-82F engine,you should have flat windshield installed as well. It was like that from 9th series up in real life. F version engines started to appear at Zavod No.21 somewhere around 10.-11. series.

True. Those two mods should be linked.

[=RvE=Windmills]

Yes, but will VVS still cry in chat if you don't come down to turn'n'burn with them?

 

You do realize LA really sucks at low speed turning right?

[VesseL]

La5f is quite good at low speeds too. It has slats and boost and it rolls at slow speeds too like nothing. better than 190.

[Finkeren]

La5f is quite good at low speeds too. It has slats and boost and it rolls at slow speeds too like nothing. better than 190.

The slats do more harm than good on the La-5 IMHO. They pop out at very low AoA and drink your energy like Donald Trump drinks Diet Coke.

 

I’m not saying this is incorrect btw, just that it’s not much of a benefit - especially with regard to energy retention.

[Field-Ops]

They tried to get the same benefits as the germans in their 109s but the german slats dont come out at such low AOT so just work a bit better. Slats in general arent a bad decision they just need to be made right and I guess the russians didnt get it right the first time. Just make due with gentle turns because the slats make it very difficult to get energy back.

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

but I got to ask if La-5FN delivers any improved front view ?

 

In the "bubble" canopy the windshield is more angled than in the flat windshield mod for the La-5, don't know if it offers better frontal visibility though.

 

 

     

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

It looks to me like top of canopy is even lower and sight is high seated. If anything it looks like it can get worse. 

Edited December 10, 2017 by =LD=Hiromachi

[Wulf]

Some undoubtedly will, but the rest will be hunting in P-39's while A-20's and IL-2's escorted by LA-5fn's clear the map.. Meanwhile a lot of new(b) G6 pilots will be finding out the hard way that the new 30mm Wonder weapon is for shooting large bombers and not for dogfights

 

(humour)

 

Cheers, Dakpilot

 

 

Actually, that's certainly a possibility.  Give that situation a couple of months for the monotony to really sink in and the game is potentially dead in the water.

[Finkeren]

So they did make a mistake and didnt correct it? Did the russian aces complaint these bad slats? They could have welded them to stay in, or corrected it to the new models. Or change it so it would work more like the german slats. You said they didnt get it right the first time, did they succeed later? In what model if so?

I actually know nothing about the slats on the Lavochkin fighters except from the fact that they were installed from about the LaGG-3 series 35 and onwards and that they were automatic and ostensibly had the same operating principle as the ones on the Bf 109.

 

Their annoying tendency to come out at low AoA is just my observation in-game. I have no idea if it’s historical but I assume it is.

 

When I’m saying that they do more harm than good, it’s from a purely “gamer” perspective. In reality there could be tremendous benefit to having more managable stall behavior on the Lavochkins at the expense of increased energy loss in sharp maneuvers. We are only concerned about how the slats affect the plane in a tight dogfight situation, but in the reality of WW2, slats might help reduce the number of accidents on take-off and landing. It might also reduce the risk of entering a spin during combat maneuvers. We think of the slats as something that allows us to pull tighter angles in a slow turn fight, but really it’s a safety device.

 

Long story short: Having the slats drain energy in a dogfight might have been considered a fair tradeoff for increased safety in handling.

[Wulf]

It looks to me like top of canopy is even lower and sight is high seated. If anything it looks like it can get worse. 

 

Well, according to Gordon and Khazanov, " ... the high position of the sight [due to the top cowling air-intake on the FN] precluded the possibility of flying with the canopy closed." (P. 50)

 

Hmmm ... I wonder if this feature will be modeled, along with the corresponding drag?   Hahahahaha .... just kidding.

[BraveSirRobin]

Actually, that's certainly a possibility.  Give that situation a couple of months for the monotony to really sink in and the game is potentially dead in the water.

Because the guys who fly only German all leave? Good riddance.

[Wulf]

Because the guys who fly only German all leave? Good riddance.

 

 

Hmmm ... interesting.  You're not a businessman are you BS-Robin?  Tip.  In business, we try and build a customer base.  We don't typically set out to destroy it.  If we destroy it, there is no business.

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

It looks to me like top of canopy is even lower and sight is high seated. If anything it looks like it can get worse. 

 

It's a bit annoying yep, but imho raising the gunsight is better than leaving it as it was in the LaGG-3, this is how it would be with the same height as the LaGG-3

 

 

With the same configuration as the LaGG-3 deflection shooting would be more difficult.

 

 

Actually, that's certainly a possibility.  Give that situation a couple of months for the monotony to really sink in and the game is potentially dead in the water.

 

Well, by April the Bf 109 G-14 would come, with it's MW 50 boost it would regain climbrate advantage over the La-5FN and diminish the speed gap at the deckconsiderably, although the FN would remain faster by a small margin.

Edited December 10, 2017 by -=PHX=-SuperEtendard

[BraveSirRobin]

Hmmm ... interesting.  You're not a businessman are you BS-Robin?  Tip.  In business, we try and build a customer base.  We don't typically set out to destroy it.  If we destroy it, there is no business.

It’s probably not good business to cater to a small disliked minority at the expense of everyone else. Good riddance.

[=RvE=Windmills]

Imagine how much easier it would be to develop though, they wouldn't even have to make any planes aside from German ones.

[BraveSirRobin]

The revenue stream from guys living in their parents’ basement probably is not reliable as a business model.

Edited December 11, 2017 by BraveSirRobin

[Wulf]

Imagine how much easier it would be to develop though, they wouldn't even have to make any planes aside from German ones.

 

 

Yeah sure, but if you were producing a sim I imagine the laws of physics would only be applied to the German aircraft anyway.  So yeah, plenty of savings to be made on all your UFO machines. 

[Wulf]

The revenue stream from guys living in their parents’ basement probably is not reliable as a business model.

 

 

Actually, I'm not sure that's true.  An inability/unwillingness to abandon the  nest is an increasing trend these days.  Two-thirds of the people here probably live with their parents.

[=RvE=Windmills]

Yeah sure, but if you were producing a sim I imagine the laws of physics would only be applied to the German aircraft anyway.  So yeah, plenty of savings to be made on all your UFO machines. 

 

 

You better save some of those superlatives for the planes that will actually achieve parity with yours, don't throw terms like UFO around just yet! You'll need something to descrive the FN when it finally gets here right?

 

I'm getting more and more excited for the FN solely due to your response to it. At this point it's pretty clear it doesn't matter how good or bad it is, the reactions are already locked and loaded.

Edited December 11, 2017 by Windmills

[Danziger]

https://youtu.be/NL6CDFn2i3I

 

Replace lyrics :

 

Badger = mineshell

 

Mushroom = 109/190

 

Snake = La-5fn

 

Cheers

 

Dakpilot

A classic song! Ahh good times.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

THE LA5FN IS COMING!

IT'S THE END OF DAYS!!

REPENT OR STALIN WILL TAKE YOUR SOUL!!!!!! HALLELUJAH!!!!!!!

 

I should've been a televangelist...

[3./JG15_Kampf]

I have been flying LAGG and LA5 in BERLOGA. I'm scared of the stability of these planes and the damage resistance. Hardly the pilot is killed unlike 109 and 190. In addition, the weapons are more effective. I came to the conclusion that 109 has its reason for ascending as an advantage and a little more speed (until the FN appears) so do not enter into dogfights.

What is the shielding of La5 and LAGG3?     .mm?

Edited December 11, 2017 by 3./JG15_Kampf

[Willy__]

Some of the things we have in our la5 is already at "FN standards of performance", like the roll rate. My bet they will derate the current la5 when the FN arrives, just like they did with the Yak, which got a speed reduction. Since the patch which they corrected the german 20mm after much, much whining on the forums [edited]'...

 

 

[edited]

 

Last time before a long rest.

Edited December 11, 2017 by SYN_Haashashin

[BraveSirRobin]

Are you now flying the German side to balance the teams?

 

Yes, I was.

 

And I don't fly the La-5

Edited December 11, 2017 by BraveSirRobin

[Guest deleted@83466]

Kampf and Vessel, do you honestly feel like such a second-class citizen flying on the Luftwaffe side?  Really?

 

For most of my time in this game, I flew Russian, because the Germans almost always seemed to outnumber during the times my wingmen and I were playing.  Then we all got a little lax about that.

 

Taking the liberty of speaking for a few others when I say this, when we fly German we feel like Sky-Gods, and with a fraction of the experience we had in Russian planes.  I'm not claiming anything is "easy mode".  This is a tough game, and it puts everybody's skills to the test...my hats off to anybody who is raking in kill streaks and high stats with the 109 or 190...I'm just saying, when I've flown so much Russian, and then I get in a German plane that can outdive, outclimb, outrun, and in many cases, outmanuever their foes, it seems like a relief.   When I'm flying in a group of 109's or especially 190's it sometimes feels like we have come to visit hell upon the earth.   Some damned good VVS pilots that can put an end to that delusion pretty quickly , but the bottom line is that I simply don't see myself flying at the least bit of handicap when I'm flying German, and I don't get the impression that Russian planes are somehow overpowered.

Edited December 11, 2017 by Iceworm

[BraveSirRobin]

Are you now LW pilot, lol. Good we need all the good pilots. Im LW only pilot too now,cause i have to balance the teams. Maybe someday i can fly La5f or even fn again.

 

I fly for whichever side has fewer players.  Usually that means VVS.