Game version 2.012 discussion: Hs 129, Kuban map, FM update, New shadows

[bzc3lk]

Like I said, when viewed from the same angle it is not that bad.

 

 

[216th_Jordan]

ok you're right I'm sorry for others who read this conversation Let's continue talking about the sim

 

 

You really do not see the differences?

 

 

I thought you wanted to stop this? So well, to finally give this a rest...

Look you even posted the evidence against you yourself..

 

What your Image shows:

 

 

 

Represented Ingame:

 

 

 

Edited December 6, 2017 by 216th_Jordan

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

You really do not see the differences?

That Bf 109 G-4 "Red 7" was initially a HA-1112 Buchon plane as well, the Merlin cowling was replaced by one from a 109 with the DB 605 (you can notice the difference in the painting in Jordan's pic), even though I don't have a problem with that, but for you it shouldn't be compared since it was a different plane I guess? (and the part we are discussing is the joint of the Buchon fuselage and 109 cowling)

 

 

This is a late G-6 or G-14 by the looks of it (late canopy and MG 131 bulges) and it does look rather straight. I guess some 109s were roundier than others?

 

Edited December 6, 2017 by -=PHX=-SuperEtendard

[Dave]

Better jump in your time machine and write Willy Messerschmitt an angry letter complaining about the visual agony you have to endure looking all day at his low-poly 1943 era plane. Looks to me as though the modeller at 1CGS got it very close.

Edited December 7, 2017 by Dave

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

I have been using this thread for entertainment purpose the last few pages, golden!! 

[Livai]

Bug

- Look how this pilot bail out really bugged......................................

 

[LukeFF]

There is a bug reporting forum...

[Porkins]

Bug

- Look how this pilot bail out really bugged......................................

I love that second picture. Not a care in the world! I felt the same way when I plunged into the Death Star. 

Edited January 17, 2018 by Porkins

[SvAF/F16_Petter]

The startup sequence on the A-20 is imo not correct.

 

It´s not a major thing but the A-20 (Wright R-2600-23) does not have a flywheel/clutch starter like the single row radials like T6-Harvard. (P&W R-1340).

The dual radial plus the massive propellers of these attackers / bombers is too much mass to move with such an arrangement of a flywheel and thats why they operate on an electric starter motor system.

 

Pay attention to the starter. When it engages, the propeller will move instantly, depending on the condition of the motor (how much its primed with fuel) and how the pilot sets the fuel cock (not pre-run, heated or other issues) the startup itself can be somewhat different.

 

This engine starts up pretty much after 7-10 blades, as this is the time the pilot sets fuel cock on. Some engines require a bit of priming however.

The engine usually sounds less metallic and purrs more, a completely different sound when warmed up after about 10minutes.

 

You can see some nice startup videos of the same engine that goes into the A-20:

 

(Bench arrangement and probably not the orignal starter system, but still electrical) 

) 

(B-25 startup and not as grumpy as the video claims....they dont know what grumpy is)

 

And finally the A-20 itself....

(skip to 11 minutes 53 seconds)

The right engine starts abnormally quick, probably pre run performed earlier on this engine, its really not normal on a first startup.
The left one is either a cold start, or the pilot is cranking the engine a bit before activating fuel cocks...

 

The video posted on the preview is imo not really a good representation of this engine, again nothing major.. but It would be nice if you got it right since this engine is quite common still today installed in veteran airplanes that you can still see flying.

 

You can hear a flywheel spinning up on the IL2 representation of this engine and this just doesnt seem right.. also the engine spins up a bit too high imo.

 

On my free time I work on vintage warbirds so I´m quite used to these radials, so not making things up here!

For fun, I added a video from a couple of clips when I work with a A-26 Invader: (the A-20 is its grandfather)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqOkBCTm6Tw

 

The same plane seen here with my friend Jesper behind the camera... (he knows cameras better than I do)

Edited January 28, 2018 by SvAF/F16_Petter

[BlitzPig_EL]

B 25s were delivered with inertia flywheel/clutch type type starters, those flying today are often converted to a gear type starter.

Be very careful using modern restored aircraft as a reference.

[=EXPEND=CG_Justin]

B 25s were delivered with inertia flywheel/clutch type type starters, those flying today are often converted to a gear type starter.

Be very careful using modern restored aircraft as a reference.

 

This. ^^

 

There are lot of "work arounds" used to keep these old ships flying these days. This is why I kinda chuckle when some folks seem to want to compare the originals with some of the flying museum pieces we see today. Sometimes things are swapped or substituted just to keep them airworthy, usually for lack of original and VERY EXPENSIVE parts. The same is true with performance. They don't fly these relics on the edge of the flight envelope at airshows like they would have in actual "life and death" combat. Blowing an engine or God forbid another accident can be EXTREMELY costly.

 

Just look here, this is a "Buchon" Bf 109 converted to an "Allison" engine (which to me is absolute blasphemy). Though it's not quite the same in what is being compared here, it does illustrate how "substitutions" are made when keeping these air frames serviceable.

 

 

 

Edited January 30, 2018 by =TBAS=CG_Justin

[dburne]

Is the career mode included? That's the big reason I'm looking for an update.

 

Yes it will be in the next update, at least as I understand.

[dburne]

The next one, not this one? I didn't see anything about career mode in the change log.

 

Correct, the next one - 3.001 I believe coming in the next few weeks.

[dburne]

Thanks! After trying RoF's career mode I really don't wanna fire up IL-2 again until we've got something like it.

 

It is going to be great, I am really looking forward to it as well.

 

In the meantime, if you are a single player fan, well worth checking out PWCG.

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/31229-get-pwcg-here/

 

It is a great program that runs outside of BoS, to generate campaigns. I have spent many hours of some great SP action using this tool. 

[Trooper117]

Me too!

[Ribbon]

This thread needs to be unpinned ASAP!