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The H.O.T.A.S. just died this evening, i thought something is wrong with Windows 

I just recovered the backup i made 2 weeks ago, but the same issue. Is dead  :dash:

The joystick has also some issues with the trigger button

I would like to replace it, anyway, but i'm not sure what to get. I don't want pedals, so the joystick should have z axis

What would you recommend, guys ? 

Saitek X56 ? X52 or X52 Pro ??

Yes, i know : Saitek - cheap / poor quality, and i'm thinking about another Saitek product.

There are not so many options, that's why i'd go for Saitek X56,  X52 or X52 Pro.

Any advices are welcome, thank you in advance

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Thank you, but there are few buttons on the joystick ( on the joystick ) and i'd like to have the throttle on the left side

216th_Lucas_From_Hell
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The T.16000M FCS looks nice. Check Ralfie's Alley for a review on YouTube, he covers it well.

Edited by 55IAP_Lucas_From_Hell
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X-55/56 has issue with internal wires, poor quality, poor QC.

 

 

As you like Saitek's, try X-52 PRO.

=TBAS=Sshadow14
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If i may ask Why No Pedals?

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If i may ask Why No Pedals?

I'm not sure how much immersion gives those pedals.

curiousGamblerr
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Is it just the joystick that's got issues? Throttle works fine?

 

I have an X-55, but just use the throttle since buying a Gunfighter stick and some pedals. If you want, I could sell you just the joystick for a small fraction of the price of a new complete HOTAS. It's just sitting in my closet at the moment.

 

I don't think there should be any issue pairing a different X-55 stick with the throttle, but if there is we could always swap throttles as well.

 

Where are you located? Wondering if this would be worth it given shipping costs.

=TBAS=Sshadow14
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I'm not sure how much immersion gives those pedals.

A few points regarding pedals IMHO

 

1- Immersion wise considering that almost Every plant built has had rudder foot controls and NO plane ever built AFAIK has had twist joystick or control column for Rudder.

(So its like 100% more Immersion.)

 

2- Its more accurate as you can easily move your foot just that perfect 1mm movement only influencing that single axis Yaw) & not being interupted by or itself interupting other axis Like Elevator or Ailerons,

(Say your near perfectly aimed on a lvl flying foe who is unaware but just need a tiny bit of left rudder you twist stick and have chance of also bumping pitch or roll going off aim more, but with pedals thats impossible.)

 

3- You can fly hands free if the plane is pitch stable or trimmed with just your feet doing gentle turns and even in planes with higher angle Wing dihedral you can fly fine with just rudder and elevators (like many basic or old Sailplanes)

(This can give you better chat management and imho easier ground control as you can be hands busy while landing or taking off with flaps and not have to twist)

 

4- Damaged plane management can be much more comfortable Specially if a long RTB and having to Hold Full Rudder maybe 1 engine down and lots of structual damage,

Holding this via twist with hand for 15mins or something would become cramp city fast where as its easy to just hold 1 foot down like it just sat on the ground, yes it can happen

(I once RTB in 111 (over 120km @ 200kph with full Left rudder trim Plus Full Left Rudder on pedal and 50% Left aileron trim 100+ Elevator trim and i had to manage pitch constantly with Stick just to make it home. If i was stuck holding twist also in this case i would have crashed and lost a 1600 point Sortie)

 

But in the end Each to his own, I know people who like eating Olives :wacko:

 

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SCG_Space_Ghost
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I'm not sure how much immersion gives those pedals.

 

I'm gonna have to agree with Sshadow on this one.

 

Pedals were a big game changer for me and I was equally as apprehensive.

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2- Its more accurate as you can easily move your foot just that perfect 1mm movement only influencing that single axis Yaw) & not being interupted by or itself interupting other axis Like Elevator or Ailerons,

(Say your near perfectly aimed on a lvl flying foe who is unaware but just need a tiny bit of left rudder you twist stick and have chance of also bumping pitch or roll going off aim more, but with pedals thats impossible.) 

 

To not say that twist in joysticks is far from have good mechanical implementation, most with plastic bushings (some Saitek X use ball baring there) and cheap, subject to spikes pontentiometers - exception VKB Gladiator, that use contact less MaRS sensor in twist. VKB promise better mechanics (metal parts, bearings) for twist in their "Kosmoshima" HOSAS (WiP).

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Okay, after testing only 7-8 hours, the X56, i have to say : NO

I'll order the Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, and pedals ( not sure which model) 

Please tell me, Thrustmaster Warthog owners, how is the quality? How are the joystick buttons? Is the trigger button loud, annoying? Is checked some reviews, the joystick has some "stiction" issues? 

What about the HOTAS? 

Is it worth to buy it? 

Any advices are welcome, thanks again

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This:

 

 


Gunfighter 'Vintage' Edition (KG12 grip)
Gunfighter 'Modern Combat' Edition (choice of MCG or MCG Pro)
Gunfighter 'Deluxe' Edition (KG12 plus MCG or MCG Pro bundle)
Gunfighter Pro 'Vintage' Edition (KG12 grip)
Gunfighter Pro 'Modern Combat' Edition (choice of MCG or MCG Pro)
Gunfighter Pro 'Deluxe' Edition (KG12 plus MCG or MCG Pro bundle)
 
Prices TBD, ETA still not firm yet, awaiting news from VKB HQ later this month...
 
Or this:
 
 
Case WWII planes is your preference - best options for throttle:
 
 
Or
 
 
Warning - with the needed rudder pedals will cost more that SOME Saitek's. :)
Edited by Sokol1
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I recommend a Trustmaster 16000M. it has 4 axis. its very sensitive, and relatively cheap

216th_Lucas_From_Hell
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I remember someone saying they use it but it's not ideal. Thrustmaster also released rudder pedals for $100 or so, check some reviews and see if you can try them at a local store.

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Those Car pedals work different than flightsim pedals. Flight pedals are rotating forward and backward on one axis, unlike car pedals. I think you will need to use some kind of work around for the car pedals,because propably every simulator detects only one axis as rudder input. I have read that some people use car pedals,but needed to join 2 axis into one somehow. I'd say rather spend money on flight pedals than on those. Except you have a set of car pedals sitting around,then it would be worth a try.

 

Few more affordable options these days,like CH Product pedals or the recent Thrustmaster pedals.  Saitek/Logitech pedals are aviable too,but prices seem high for what it is. Atleast my old set of Saitek pedals was pretty cheap quality. I can't comment on the CH or Thrustmaster,ateast CH are making quality stuff. Electronics is old technic from over 10 years ago. But it's still reliable.

Depending on what you can afford there are also high end pedals made by small companies,like MFG, Slaw Device,BRD and VKB.

Edited by ST_Pirato
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Okay, i'll go for Thrustmaster or Logitech pedals.

For the near future i'd like to purchase a joystick ( VPC MongoosT-50 or VKB MCG ) but meanwhile, could i use rudder pedals with a joystick which already has Z axis ? Could i assign the yaw for pedals, and disabling this option for the joystick, at all ?

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of course, I've been using pedals with my x55 since ages, I also used it with my x52pro, before that died out on me

 

if you just assign the rudder axis to the pedals, the twist action on the joystick will not interfere - it's all in the settings

 

 

but I know how you feel - saitek construction is shit, I've had to modify my x55 so drastically ever since I got it, I think I should call it an x55.5 at this point

 

I like the layout of it, but indeed, saitek is a joystick for a man with a screwdriver and a soldering iron

Edited by 19//Moach
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Yes, Saitek X55 and X56 sucks.

As I said, i'd go for VPC MongoosT-50 or VKB MCG but I'm not really sure how they are working, i mean, drivers + software 

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As I said, i'd go for VPC MongoosT-50 or VKB MCG but I'm not really sure how they are working, i mean, drivers + software 

 

Basically both are "PnP", using Windows native HID drivers for install. You just need plug in USB port.

 

VKB use DevCfg software - no install need -  that allow calibration, deadzones, chance buttons layouts, set axis curves... and save this in controller EPROM, not in software running in games background (like, CH, Saitek, Tm). 

 

VirPil is not know for once, first users are receiving their units this week, but I guess something similar.

Edited by Sokol1
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just thought I'd post here, the modifications I've made to my x55:

 

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it's not a bad stick... it's not a good stick either 

 

and you need to be handy with tools for it to remain a mediocre stick for any length of time....

 

 

<grunt> fuggin' saitek... </grunt>

Edited by 19//Moach
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I had a TM Warthog and it's great for the A-10c like it should be. I didn't like it at all for WW2 planes. Way too stiff. Putting an extension on it would help, but that's more money on an already overpriced controller.

 

For a reliable setup it's hard to beat the CH setup. I used one on IL2 for 9 years without a lick of trouble. I gave it away to a friend 3 years ago and he hasn't any trouble either. Try that with a Warthog.

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