=EXPEND=Dendro Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 I would buy it in a heartbeat..... Thanks Gambit21for posting the pic. 7
Finkeren Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 Let them get BoK out the door first. Wouldn't mind them releasing a couple of collector's planes before getting started on Midway though. 4
=EXPEND=Dendro Posted June 8, 2017 Author Posted June 8, 2017 Let them get BoK out the door first. Wouldn't mind them releasing a couple of collector's planes before getting started on Midway though. Keep your panties on Finks........ There was no demand as to when, it was a polite request for Jason to consider as a collector plane like the JU52 etc. With the Spit arriving, and the perhaps the Hurri later it could bring a lot of extra income and interest to the series?
Bullets Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 "cough cough" https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/29592-hawker-hurricane-collector-plane/ 2
Blooddawn1942 Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 A Hurricane would be absolutely fantastic. Would buy it immediately!
Feathered_IV Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 What can a Hurricane do to enrich the current gameplay? It's roles are already amply covered by other types, so its just another aeroplane shape. Wouldn't it be wiser to choose something else that brings more operational options than we have already? 1
Finkeren Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 Variety is good, especially when it's a plane that saw a lot of action for a long time.
ITAF_Rani Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 Infact I always wondering myself why it s missing here
216th_Jordan Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 There really is a dilemma with all those DLCs though, how many negative reviews have I read about how expansive it is to have "the complete game". It seems that every collectorplane just creates more negative reviews. (But Hell, I'm all for collector planes!) Maybe those reviews are just unavoidable.. Or they need a different steam selling strategy. (like a free basegame with 2 planes and all content as DLC with Notation that each development is quite expansive? - also as more modules show uo individual prices could be lowered as there are more items to be purchased) But as it is right now I think its somewhat problematic - that should not hinder the development of DLCs though if there is time for it. Just beeds to be kept in mind I think.
Finkeren Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 There really is a dilemma with all those DLCs though, how many negative reviews have I read about how expansive it is to have "the complete game". It seems that every collectorplane just creates more negative reviews. How dare the devs give us lots of things to buy?!?!? What do they think it is that they are running? Some kind of business?
150GCT_Veltro Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 (edited) The problem is the limited resocurces and the limited budget. DLC seem to be something like "an extra budget" if i'm not wrong. For sure, the DLC policy is somenthing where this IL2 should (could) have to be improved. Hurricane is just only of them, but there also IAR-80, Macchi 200 ecc.. The big problem for a game called "IL2" is that we have aicrafts that should have to be a must for it, but they are missed. IAR 80 first of all, but this "complain" it's a dead horse i'm afraid. ...and don't forget about engines, like G2 1.42 ecc. ecc. Edited June 8, 2017 by 150GCT_Veltro
76IAP-Black Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 I dont think that the DLC`s are way to expensive, here are folks who invest more than 20€ for one evening at a pub, just to get a hangover the next day ... And you dont have to buy the DLC`s if you dont want to. It`s up to you guys. I would recommend more DLC planes for the future
Trooper117 Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 I see DLC's coming into play if there is a delay with the Pacific. A new map or two, with the Collector planes to add to what we have already will keep the income coming in.
CanadaOne Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 What can a Hurricane do to enrich the current gameplay? It's fun. I'd buy it.
216th_Jordan Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 How dare the devs give us lots of things to buy?!?!? What do they think it is that they are running? Some kind of business? Yeah I know lol. The point still holds though.
Dutchvdm Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 (edited) Yeah I know lol. The point still holds though. I think you're right, but it tends to become the norm in the industry. And i wonder how many sales developers are really losing because of these complaints. Are these substantial, or are these some loud minority. There was quiet a lot of complaints about the DLC model for Total War Warhammer, but the game was extremely successful. Bottomline, i'm fine with the current DLC model. Hobbies cost money, and as it stands. One collector-plane is cheaper than one day parking in most major city's over here. And i rather have DLC than a subscription model. Grt M Ontopic: Yes please, for the Hurri! Edited June 8, 2017 by Martijnvdm 1
J2_Trupobaw Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 (edited) What can a Hurricane do to enrich the current gameplay? Its cockpit makes me feel at home, much like DFW C.V and Ju-87. No way or need to explain that. Third year into BoX, most planes are stilll marriage of convenience for me. Edited June 8, 2017 by Trupobaw
ShamrockOneFive Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 I'd buy it. There's a long list of types that everyone wants. Not sure what the devs will be able to fit in and not but the Hurricane is a pretty decent candidate as it fought in two of the battles that we already have. If we get it I'd want to see the basic British configuration of the Mark IIb along with some of the modified field mods with Russian guns, bombs, and I think even rockets were fitted.
Feathered_IV Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 Variety is good, especially when it's a plane that saw a lot of action for a long time. I know, but variety of purpose is even better. All there is to do in all flight sims is a bit of shooty-shoot and solo bomb schlepping with a crew full of mannequins. The aeroplanes have different shapes, but the gameplay is identical from one to the next. Sure there is the halfway implementation here of the Ju-52. But apart from that, there is still an enormous scope for different flying roles. Aircraft that bring new trades with them would be much better than just "more of the same".
TP_Silk Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 I know, but variety of purpose is even better. All there is to do in all flight sims is a bit of shooty-shoot and solo bomb schlepping with a crew full of mannequins. The aeroplanes have different shapes, but the gameplay is identical from one to the next. Sure there is the halfway implementation here of the Ju-52. But apart from that, there is still an enormous scope for different flying roles. Aircraft that bring new trades with them would be much better than just "more of the same". But what other interesting trades are there really that are achievable with the current engine where we're limited to 2 engines. We have fighters, we have bombers, we have fighter-bombers and we have a transport plane. Surely that's about it for achievable and, more importantly, trackable trades. Sure, you could argue for recce aircraft and that would be fine in terms of additional airframes, but very hard to track mission results for especially in single-player. That's about all of the traditional roles from back then covered isn't it? Obvious exception is maritime patrol aircraft (most of which had four engines). 1
Trooper117 Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 It's called 'immersion'... a user can involve their mental state to believe he/she are flying one of their favourite planes. It doesn't have to be any deeper than that. Certainly, different types used in a variety of purpose are also most welcome... an Fw 189 carrying out recce and artillery correction would also fit the bill.
Brano Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 I dont think that the DLC`s are way to expensive, here are folks who invest more than 20€ for one evening at a pub, just to get a hangover the next day ... 50 euros in average.Not counting "lady drinks" 3
BladeMeister Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 I would buy it. It belongs in these theaters and would be a good addition. S!Blade<><
pilotpierre Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 I would buy it (as I will anything this crew put out) because during my brief stint with CLOD when it hit the streets, I enjoyed the hurricane over the spitfire.
Warpig Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 I always looked at the Hurricane as inferior to the Spitfire, so no loss for me.
keeno Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 I'd buy in a second and always thought it should have been in the game anyway. If it comes........then great. Cheers
Jade_Monkey Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 Didn't Roald Dahl fly a hurricane? Must have been hell for such a tall man. 1
Gambit21 Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 (edited) I've never once thought about the Hurri for BoX, and posted that scheme as an idea for the Spitfire. Now that you guys bring it up though - I like the idea more and more. Thing of it is though - collectors AC beteeen Kuban and Mudway are strictly "if there's time" IF it happens then I half expect G6 and La5-FN. I'm one of the "I'll buy any aircraft" guys though, so my opinion on this matter is more or less meaningless. Just the same, for grins I'll put the Hurricane a close second behind the Storch or Po-2. Given the scope of work for PTO and the need to hit the ground running, I will be very pleasantly surprised at ANY collectors AC between Kuban and Midway. Edited June 8, 2017 by Gambit21
FTC_Etherlight Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 I'd much rather like them to concentrate on things that bring this Sim forward, to be honest. The Hurricane does not really serve a purpose besides being cute and a really bad fighterplane for the scenarios we're looking at here. 2
Gambit21 Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 I'm mostly a fan of expanding game play - like the Ju-52 did. Thus my Storch preference. Plus the Storch has one foot in WWI still - so much personality with that kite. I can argue both sides of it really. In the end revenue is the primary goal, as it should be. Not sure where that leaves my Storch but I'm guessing the Hurri would do better. 2
CanadaOne Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 I'm mostly a fan of expanding game play - like the Ju-52 did. Thus my Storch preference. Plus the Storch has one foot in WWI still - so much personality with that kite. I can argue both sides of it really. In the end revenue is the primary goal, as it should be. Not sure where that leaves my Storch but I'm guessing the Hurri would do better. Maybe it's a question of price. Some people - like myself - may happily shell out $20 for a Hurricane but maybe only half that amount for a Storch. I like the RoF variable pricing. If you only want to drop a few bucks and just want something to try out and have some fun with, you buy a "second tier" plane. If something really hot is on the shelf, you drop the cash and invest in something you might enjoy more. My 2 cents.
Rjel Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 I'm a kinda I want my cake and eat it too guy. More and more A/C would be great. But I agree with Feathered here. Fleshed out game play would make the sim a longer lived game. IMHO.
ShamrockOneFive Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 (edited) But what other interesting trades are there really that are achievable with the current engine where we're limited to 2 engines. We have fighters, we have bombers, we have fighter-bombers and we have a transport plane. Surely that's about it for achievable and, more importantly, trackable trades. Sure, you could argue for recce aircraft and that would be fine in terms of additional airframes, but very hard to track mission results for especially in single-player. That's about all of the traditional roles from back then covered isn't it? Obvious exception is maritime patrol aircraft (most of which had four engines). Absolutely right. We have good variety of roles in this sim. A better distribution per product than we saw with the original IL-2 IMHO. I actually think we're going to see some out and out scout aircraft but not right now... for Battle of Midway. I wrote a whole thing about it so I'll just link here: https://stormbirds.wordpress.com/2017/05/29/the-f1m2-pete-and-battle-of-midways-strategy/ That makes a lot of logical sense to me in the Midway context. Right now, I think anything is on the table. Fighters, bombers, and attack aircraft. Some have even made a good case for one more transport type so that the Ju52 has an analogue on the other side. The Hurricane would be great but I think it all comes down to this. Will the team have enough time in between the end of Kuban and the start of Midway to build some additional aircraft? Surely if they did they would be sold as Collector Planes. A big discussion came up early after the Kuban planset was announced that people really wanted the Bf109G-6. A smaller number of voices but still a decent number were then asking for a La-5F. So in the Q&A session Jason said that he thought there could be (but not confirmed that there would be) time to build additional Collector Planes and that he had a couple in mind but that the community was speaking loudly about the G-6. That discussion has quieted down a fair bit. So I don't know where that leaves things. I think that whatever happens, if any additional planes do come along there will be a lot of pressure to pick the right types. Someone won't be happy no matter what. I can see a few scenarios going in my head. They add two more fighters for Kuban and they are the Bf109G-6 and a La-5F (with bubble canopy and other refinements). Or they add two more fighters and orient them towards the third party Odessa map adding the IAR80/81 and I-153. Or possibly the Hs123 and I-153. If they go for something bigger they could even do the IL-4. It definitely carried air dropped torpedoes and could be a great way to develop that tech prior to Midway and the Devastator/Kate torpedo bombers. Or.... we might get a Hurricane. Who knows! :D Edited June 8, 2017 by ShamrockOneFive
6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 I'm mostly a fan of expanding game play - like the Ju-52 did. Thus my Storch preference. Plus the Storch has one foot in WWI still - so much personality with that kite. I can argue both sides of it really. In the end revenue is the primary goal, as it should be. Not sure where that leaves my Storch but I'm guessing the Hurri would do better. I think for Expanding Gameplay the Po-2 would be better. It's a True Do-It-All thing.
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