Game version 2.010 discussion: IL-2-43, New graphics features

[scrapmetal]

Anyone else seen very passive AI wingmen after the 2.010 patch?

 

On couple of occasions I've noticed that they ignored my orders to attack ground/air targets and just circled the area. There was nothing on patch notes about AI but that behaviour seemed a

little strange..

Yes. In the campaign, they just circle forever around the target zone and ignore orders.

[EAF_Starfire]

First of all a personal thanks to the developer team for using time to support TacView.

I have been looking forward to it for a long time. Even thought it is basic it is still quite usefull.

 

 

Beautiful..

 

Would love of someone with tacview could upload a flick on Youtube or similar where BoS is used.

 

 

Anyone?

 

@Klunk

What is a flick?

[OrLoK]

A flick is slang for a movie/video

[LLv24_Zami]

Yes. In the campaign, they just circle forever around the target zone and ignore orders.

Just tested a campaign mission, wingmen did nothing at the action point and ignored any commands I made. And I did not even see the enemy in the area at all, they just did not show up.

 

Something is definitely wrong with an AI and missions after the 2.010 patch. This was happening yesterday in scripted missions also. 

[dburne]

Just flew a bombing mission in Pt 2 of Stalingrad campaign, my wingman dissappeared and I was left in my Yak-1 trying to make it through this mission against about 6 enemy aircraft.

 

Needless to say I did not make it.

[EAF_Starfire]

Yes please!

 

as requested 

 

 

or

 

 

 

It is still very basic and shots are still not shown.

[dburne]

Regarding the Aiming Help marker for rockets and bombs.

 

In 2.010, the HUD has to be active in order to display this. Previously in 2.009, that was not the case. I know they were always showing when Icons were on and that was not how it was supposed to be, but the HUD did not have to be displayed to see them, only the Icons on.

 

I was flying in my campaign this morning and guess I flew my first bombing mission since 2.010, and could not figure out why I was not getting the aiming assist. I had assigned the toggle to joystick button but could not get it to work, then I thought hmm let's activate the HUD and see what happens, then there it was.

 

For me at least, would be nice if only Icons had to be active to see it rather than the HUD itself as I prefer to fly with the HUD hidden due to the performance hit...

Probably not that big a deal as I can just activate the HUD as I begin my bomb/rocket run and turn it off afterwards - or learn to do it without the aiming assist lol.

 

Still absolutely loving this update though!! The sim looks so good with that shimmering all but gone now!!

[Sporkspork69man]

anyone no why im having an error #10005 please update your game: new version available" SEND HELP! 

[dburne]

anyone no why im having an error #10005 please update your game: new version available" SEND HELP! 

 

Have you started it with the Launcher rather than IL-2.exe?

I know there was a small hotfix recently...

[Taxman]

anyone no why im having an error #10005 please update your game: new version available" SEND HELP! 

I had the same error after the latest update.  I just closed the program and rebooted my machine, and then all is well.

[=EXPEND=Capt_Yorkshire]

I just bought Kuban 

[LLv24_Zami]

With further testing, it has become quite clear that there is a problem with post patch AI wingmen.

 

Heres a thread about it so it wont go unnoticed:https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/29268-ai-behaviour-after-game-update-1010/?do=findComment&comment=471281

 

I also made a bug report of the issue to the tech part of the forum. Please devs take a look of that problem, it is a serious one for the SP missions.

[Habu]

With further testing, it has become quite clear that there is a problem with post patch AI wingmen.

 

Heres a thread about it so it wont go unnoticed:https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/29268-ai-behaviour-after-game-update-1010/?do=findComment&comment=471281

 

I also made a bug report of the issue to the tech part of the forum. Please devs take a look of that problem, it is a serious one for the SP missions.

I agree Zami, i ran some tests tonight and reported to the dev.

 

Another thread where we talk about that problem.

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/29256-sp-fighter-wingman-versus-ground-targets/

[=EXPEND=CG_Justin]

Definitely a performance hit for me on this patch. So far, the best patch for performance was the one right when DX11 was released, before removing some effects for AMD users, that patch kicked ass. I love the visuals with this, but the stuttering and lag is the worst so far.

Edited May 13, 2017 by CG_Justin

[TheHighwayman]

Where do I find my tacview files? What is the default save location for them?

[216th_Jordan]

Definitely a performance hit for me on this patch. So far, the best patch for performance was the one right when DX11 was released, before removing some effects for AMD users, that patch kicked ass. I love the visuals with this, but the stuttering and lag is the worst so far.

 

Try lowering distant landscape setting (most impact) and/ or mirrors setting. Also If you are running on ultra: clouds are rendered with a lot more power now - this comes at a cost.

[jlan5031jlan5031]

I've just started play BOS. The learning curve is steep, but I'm enjoying the process. I bought both BOM and BOK.  I didn't buy from BOK from Steam. Maybe I should have. I  open BOS/BOM through Steam. The new update shows up  on the game title page as does BOK. Beyond that, I have no access to BOK. I've guessed that's because it's a pre-order?  With the new update, I can't find the mirrors I've read about. Where are they?

Lastly I don't  understand what is meant by reference to "1943."  Should I see reference in the main page?

Sorry for the long winded intro, but I haven't found answers searching the Forum.

Any and all responses appreciated.

I

[TG-55Panthercules]

I've just started play BOS. The learning curve is steep, but I'm enjoying the process. I bought both BOM and BOK.  I didn't buy from BOK from Steam. Maybe I should have. I  open BOS/BOM through Steam. The new update shows up  on the game title page as does BOK. Beyond that, I have no access to BOK. I've guessed that's because it's a pre-order?  With the new update, I can't find the mirrors I've read about. Where are they?

Lastly I don't  understand what is meant by reference to "1943."  Should I see reference in the main page?

Sorry for the long winded intro, but I haven't found answers searching the Forum.

Any and all responses appreciated.

I

 

Welcome to BoS and the Forums!

 

The "1943" is simply the latest variant of the IL-2 aircraft.  IIRC, it's a BoK aircraft, so if you haven't pre-ordered BoK yet you probably won't see it in your game (could be wrong about that, but if so I'm sure someone here will correct me).

 

IIRC, the mirrors are only on a few aircraft at this point (hopefully more to come later).  For those aircraft that have them (e.g., P-40), they are included in the "mods"/weapons loadout list - you have to open up that list and select them as you're setting up your mission, or you won't see them in your game.

[ShamrockOneFive]

I've just started play BOS. The learning curve is steep, but I'm enjoying the process. I bought both BOM and BOK.  I didn't buy from BOK from Steam. Maybe I should have. I  open BOS/BOM through Steam. The new update shows up  on the game title page as does BOK. Beyond that, I have no access to BOK. I've guessed that's because it's a pre-order?  With the new update, I can't find the mirrors I've read about. Where are they?

Lastly I don't  understand what is meant by reference to "1943."  Should I see reference in the main page?

Sorry for the long winded intro, but I haven't found answers searching the Forum.

Any and all responses appreciated.

I

 

As I understand it there is no issue with not buying from Steam. Everything is ultimately done through your IL-2 game account and buying BOK gives you access to BOK content.

 

BOK is in early access right now. If you bought it you should see the Bf109G-4, FW190A-5, Bf110G-2, He111H-16 and IL-2 Model 1943 in your aircraft list. Further to that, the reference to 1943 is in reference to the IL-2. Russian aircraft tended to not follow the same kind of series production scheme that we are familiar with on US and British aircraft (although even those have exceptions). IL-2s were produced with continual refinements in the process so that is handled in-game by offering a IL-2 Model 1941, Model 1942 and Model 1943 all representing the more dramatic differences between the different types of aircraft.

 

Hope that helps.

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

I am seeing the date right.4/5/2016. And I am not so convinced it's not their fault. In fact the update adds new requirements to the operating system.

 

That Boot Camp drivers fall behind is no surprise. Thing is because the internet game setup forces you to update, as a customer you no longer can choose to play the previous version and in case of Mac Boot Camp users wait for a driver update to arrive.

 

The game is killed right under your nose. Another thing is that I preordered BOK. The current update promises even before it's released BOK neither will be playable. I doubt it's fair policy to change the requirements of an operating system after you sold the game.

 

It should stay compatible with the operating system at any time. In case of a preorder you should adjust the requirements of the operating system in advance.

 

In my opinion IL2S is obliged to find a solution, and if that is not possible do a refund.

but your playing on a Mac, and its not supported. and IL2 does not support Boot Camp..

Edited May 14, 2017 by 71st_AH_Mastiff

[TG-55Panthercules]

but your playing on a Mac, and its not supported.

 

Yeah, I've been thinking the same thing after reading those posts.  Maybe I missed something, but I couldn't find anywhere in the devs' materials where they've claimed that BoS works on Macs or that Macs are supported, so I'm not sure why someone would expect them to spend time trying to make it work on Macs or refund money to someone who wants to try to run it on unsupported hardware/software.

[AndyJWest]

Yup. From the 'Minimum system requirements':

 

 

• OS: 64-bit Windows® 7 (SP1) / Windows® 8 / Windows® 10

https://il2sturmovik.com/about/

 

Developers are under no obligation to support systems they don't say they support...

Edited May 14, 2017 by AndyJWest

[JG13_opcode]

I hate windows as much as anyone, but even I would not expect Mac gaming to work at all.

[LLv24_Zami]

My performance fluctuates from patch to patch. I've come to accept this now, but I have one request of the devs:

 

Please could you make the ' removal of sky colour banding' a selectable option instead of it being packaged in with 'Ultra'.

 

I only use 'Ultra' for this feature, I can live without the improved clouds and whatever else is added in to Ultra, but I simply can't track aircraft above me

 

against the sky when it is 'banded'.

 

Or maybe create a new category of 'Very high' which sits between 'high' and 'ultra' which equals what Ultra used to

be, then just add new eye-candy features into 'Ultra' in future?

Or give us custom graphics options, problem solved.

[Uufflakke]

I fully understand why Mac isn't supported.

About 90% of people are on Windows and only 6% on Mac.

Even good old XP does have more users.

 

https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0

 

Combat flightsimming is a niche nowadays.

Doesn't make sense to me supporting a niche in a niche.

[1stCL/Punkey]

Turn off "Distant landscape detail" option. If this help you - try to set it to x2 or x3 - find a ballance. This option requires too much VRAM.

Same here. Try to turn off Distant landscape detail

 

Please update your ATI videodriver.

 

Ok decrease Landscape from 4x to 3x works for me. But with this progression I'll be able to handle only 4 next patches, than will be out of this game. When DX11 was released everything was super smooth, 60 FPS, 4x AA, Ultra details, Landscape 4x. After 2 days hotfix came out because of AMD and everything goes down. Balanced details, Landscape 3x - i5-6500 3,2 GHz, GTX 750 Ti, 8GB RAM

[Guest deleted@83466]

I've been reporting really good performance with this last update, and this is true, but I did run into a situation earlier tonight on WOL, in which there was a fairly gigantic dogfight  right under a heavy cloud base, and it caused a lot of stutters.  Wingman reported the stutters too.   So even though Ultra settings have been working out great for me 90% of the time since this patch, the stutters I got today compel me to go back to High settings, which I would rather not do.   I echo the sentiments of others to say that I wish we could have just a little more choice in the graphics settings.  In my case, if I could, I would use "High" clouds, but "Ultra" everything else.

[LLv24_Zami]

I've been reporting really good performance with this last update, and this is true, but I did run into a situation earlier tonight on WOL, in which

there was a fairly gigantic dogfight right under a heavy cloud base, and it caused a lot of stutters. Wingman reported the stutters too. So even though Ultra settings have been workin

g out great for me 90% of the time since this patch, the stutters I got today compel me to go back to High settings, which I would rather not do. I echo the

sentiments of others to say that I wish

we could have just a little more choice in the graphics settings. In my case, if I could, I would use "High" clouds, but "Ultra" everything else.

Most of the stutters in MP are something else than graphics originated, I think.

 

Last time I was online, I had massive stutters few times. In SP game run very smoothly with same settings, so I suppose it had nothing to do with graphic settings.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Some things are not optimized enough, I was shooting at yak ,he started leaking massively fps were ok - 130+ but when I zoomed at him to maximum fps dropped to 40... Those particles supposed to perform better than previous ones, but when they fill whole screen they do give hiccups to my 1070. I was testing high setting...

[downquark]

Yeah, I've been thinking the same thing after reading those posts.  Maybe I missed something, but I couldn't find anywhere in the devs' materials where they've claimed that BoS works on Macs or that Macs are supported, so I'm not sure why someone would expect them to spend time trying to make it work on Macs or refund money to someone who wants to try to run it on unsupported hardware/software.

 

It's not about MacOS as you suggest. It claims that Windows 10 is supported. My IMac, like most modern Macs runs Windows 10. 

 

BOM ran without any problems in Ultra mode smoothly while 2.009 was installed. The 2.010 upgrade requires third party drivers that aren't available for Boot Camp.

 

 

Because of this internet rules all policy, you can't roll back the game to the previous version and await a third party driver update.

[ZG15_Steven_McWayne]

What happened to the BK3,7 on the BF110? It losses a lot of its accuracy without any mention in the Patch.

[1stCL/Punkey]

Most of the stutters in MP are something else than graphics originated, I think.

 

Last time I was online, I had massive stutters few times. In SP game run very smoothly with same settings, so I suppose it had nothing to do with graphic settings.

 

Nope, Iceworm is right. Clouds cause stuttering. It starts from Heavy clouds. SP or MP doesn´t effect to this.

[ShamrockOneFive]

It's not about MacOS as you suggest. It claims that Windows 10 is supported. My IMac, like most modern Macs runs Windows 10. 

 

BOM ran without any problems in Ultra mode smoothly while 2.009 was installed. The 2.010 upgrade requires third party drivers that aren't available for Boot Camp.

 

 

Because of this internet rules all policy, you can't roll back the game to the previous version and await a third party driver update.

 

I can definitely understand the frustration of it not working via the latest patch. I'd submit a report to the support team and see if they can either help you set something up or at least forward the issue on to the team.

 

I think its also necessary to be realistic about Apple's support of Windows via Bootcamp. At work we support a few people running this configuration and its fraught with difficulties because Apple writes support for their drivers to work with Windows to what our techs would consider "minimum spec." In other words... it works and most of the time it works fairly well but there are outliers and doing some high end gaming is going to be a challenge to keep working as you've discovered. IL-2 isn't the only game that recommends or demands the latest drivers to function properly.

 

I wish you luck! I hope you can get it to work.

[LLv24_Zami]

Nope, Iceworm is right. Clouds cause stuttering. It starts from Heavy clouds. SP or MP doesn´t effect to this.

I don`t have any kind of stuttering even with heavy weather in SP or in any other situation. It is silk smooth. When I had stuttering in MP, sky was almost clear. Although last time I played MP it was with version 2.009.

 

So, my experience was different on this matter.

[dburne]

I don`t have any kind of stuttering even with heavy weather in SP or in any other situation. It is silk smooth. When I had stuttering in MP, sky was almost clear. Although last time I played MP it was with version 2.009.

 

So, my experience was different on this matter.

 

None here either, playing SP on Ultra settings in VR - performance is very good and have yet to see a stutter in either 2.009 or 2.010 even in heavy clouds.

No idea how MP might be for me as I currently do not participate in that.

[NoMoreSteam]

What happened to the BK3,7 on the BF110? It losses a lot of its accuracy without any mention in the Patch.

 

It also ignores "infinite ammo" setting.

[MadisonV44]

Just like Zami or Dburne I don't suffer from any stuttering so far ... but we have GTX 1080 which is not the case of the majority of the pilots on this forum.

 

Anyway, seems to be a good update overall, except sensible performance impact for a lot of my flying mates with low memory capacity on their GPU. To avoid stutters they had to fine tune the Nvidia profile inspector (Sparse Grid Supersampling should be lowered or deactivated) and Distance landscape details back to 3 or 2 instead of 4, which is a visual regression. 

[MadisonV44]

Planes also disappear much more against clouds. I read that some of you experience the contrary and see them better ... any tips to imporve that ? 

[Nocke]

Flying online together with someone with a much better graphics card we experienced stutters at the same time. Conclusion was it must be server related.

[downquark]

I can definitely understand the frustration of it not working via the latest patch. I'd submit a report to the support team and see if they can either help you set something up or at least forward the issue on to the team.

 

I think its also necessary to be realistic about Apple's support of Windows via Bootcamp. At work we support a few people running this configuration and its fraught with difficulties because Apple writes support for their drivers to work with Windows to what our techs would consider "minimum spec." In other words... it works and most of the time it works fairly well but there are outliers and doing some high end gaming is going to be a challenge to keep working as you've discovered. IL-2 isn't the only game that recommends or demands the latest drivers to function properly.

 

I wish you luck! I hope you can get it to work.

 

Thanks a lot for your post. I agree on your call to be realistic about Apple's support. 

 

I did search the internet for alternative ways to install the AMD Windows 10 driver and encountered www.bootcampdrivers.com

This site contains downloads and instructions how to shortcut Bootcamp and to upgrade to the latest AMD driver.

Currently I have latest crimson 17.5.1 installed. However the problem of particle renders remains.

 

Perhaps the site is more useful for your work though. I won't give up on this and try to figure out if it's just a software problem. It might be that Apple alters the hardware specifications of AMD video boards, to be able to fit them in these too slim Imacs.  I will indeed ask the support team to shed some light on this. Thanks again.

Edited May 14, 2017 by Gatekeeper