Developer Diary, Part 154 - Discussion

[[CPT]milopugdog]

So will we get another two plane patch this month???

[ShamrockOneFive]

So will we get another two plane patch this month???

I've been speculating that it just might happen. There are clues including the dev screen shots of both Spitfire and IL-2, the notes about the fight model engineers working on both flight models, I'd say that the possibility is there ...but only a maybe. I'm guessing if they run into trouble that they will either delay the one that they have trouble with (which does seem a little unlikely) or that its just a matter of one is much further along than the other and we'll see one come later.

[Chief_Mouser]

Salutations,

 

I hope they eventually include the P-38 Lightning for any extended Kuban campaigns.

 

I didn't think that Russians had the Lightning except maybe a couple for evaluation. If not, then there are many other more worthwhile aircraft I'd like to see first.

[ShamrockOneFive]

Russians didn't use P-38s. Lots and lots of P-39s though

[von-Luck]

Russians didn't use P-38s. Lots and lots of P-39s though

P39 is one of my favorite stories of an airplane. Designed as an interceptor changed to a ground attack/low altitude fighter. Also that ridiculous interim all American armament 2 50's 2 30's and the 37 I don't think anyone could have landed upon a more confused development. Still love her though . . . But she gets tough love - Kingcobra is closer to what I would want to actually fly. Too bad the P38 never suited the Russians - high altitude just wasn't a big part of the Russian play book.

 

von Luck

[ShamrockOneFive]

P39 is one of my favorite stories of an airplane. Designed as an interceptor changed to a ground attack/low altitude fighter. Also that ridiculous interim all American armament 2 50's 2 30's and the 37 I don't think anyone could have landed upon a more confused development. Still love her though . . . But she gets tough love - Kingcobra is closer to what I would want to actually fly. Too bad the P38 never suited the Russians - high altitude just wasn't a big part of the Russian play book.

 

von Luck

 

I agree! The P-39 is part failure and part success in almost equal measure. Rejected by the Western Allies, used to great effect by the Russians, used in desperation in the Pacific, completely modern for the time and yet somewhat flawed... It's a wild story for sure.

 

If I remember correctly, a document I once read on aerodynamics and US WWII warbirds suggested that the P-39 was second only to the P-51 in terms of low drag coefficient. While the P-40 was draggy and the P-47 was very good, the P-39 was edged out only slightly by the P-51s very clean airframe. That surely helped its performance despite using the same engine as the P-40.

[ShoeHash]

I agree! The P-39 is part failure and part success in almost equal measure. Rejected by the Western Allies, used to great effect by the Russians, used in desperation in the Pacific, completely modern for the time and yet somewhat flawed... It's a wild story for sure.

 

If I remember correctly, a document I once read on aerodynamics and US WWII warbirds suggested that the P-39 was second only to the P-51 in terms of low drag coefficient. While the P-40 was draggy and the P-47 was very good, the P-39 was edged out only slightly by the P-51s very clean airframe. That surely helped its performance despite using the same engine as the P-40.

I hope the tendency to flatspin isn't as bad as it was in IL-2 1946. Early models, until the Q-10, had very strange flight characteristics. I love this airplane. I did rather well with it online. The trick was to fly high, engage low, and keep it low. A good rule is never get on the deck with a P-39 chasing you. The cannon caused quite a bit of ground explosions as I remember too. So it would be the same as dodging bomblets.  

Edited April 4, 2017 by ShoeHash

[novicebutdeadly]

I hope the tendency to flatspin isn't as bad as it was in IL-2 1946. Early models, until the Q-10, had very strange flight characteristics. I love this airplane. I did rather well with it online. The trick was to fly high, engage low, and keep it low. A good rule is never get on the deck with a P-39 chasing you. The cannon caused quite a bit of ground explosions as I remember too. So it would be the same as dodging bomblets.  

 

There has been a few discussions in regards to the flat spin, I wonder if shooting down a P39 in a flat spin is the same as chute shooting???? 

[senseispcc]

Spinning a P 39 should be avoided at all cost, and that only because it was very difficult to get out of one!

Otherwise it was a cold aircraft for the pilots because the engine was behind them not in front like in most of them.

The P 39 was a relatively fast and stable but most of all radio equipped, all metal, sturdy, there when needed aircraft in constant evolution without too much big changes.

A pilot’s plane. I cannot wait until it is possible to fly it again in this new improved, fly model, of IL2. Thank for this gift to the dev team!

    

Edited April 4, 2017 by senseispcc

[Thad]

I didn't think that Russians had the Lightning except maybe a couple for evaluation. If not, then there are many other more worthwhile aircraft I'd like to see first.

Sorry, I should have been more accurate or precise... I meant 'post' Kuban campaign and into the pacific war for the desired P-38 inclusion.