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#1 II/JG17_HerrMurf

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 16:45

Ok, that's it. I'm dumping my 780ti. It is causing too many issues and my system is used almost exclusively for BoX and DCS (plus Minecraft for the kid). It doesn't make any sense that the one game I play the most is locked behind an uncooperative card. The hassle is just not worth the effort anymore with the 780 and it doesn't look like NVidia has any interest in supporting this card any longer. I'm not planning on going to VR for at least a couple more years either.

 

I'm looking at the 980ti and my hardware is in my sig. Amazon seems to have a good price on the MSI offering. Any other suggestions? Is the card pretty much plug and play? I will have to check my power supply but I'm pretty sure it is up to the task as I overspec'd it with an eye to upgradability originally. I will wipe all drivers and start with a fresh install from NVidia.


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#2 fdswer

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 17:04

Yeah its really annoying when the 780 is more then capable of running the game.  I would have bought BOK but there is no point if I cant play the game.  I play lots of different and new games so i'm not reinstalling drivers every time I switch games.   


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#3 Space_Ghost

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 17:09

Yes, it will be plug-and-play. Most power supplies will be able to handle your set up without an issue especially if you purposefully over over-spec'd originally
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#4 II/JG17_HerrMurf

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 17:09

Yes, it will be plug-and-play. Most power supplies will be able to handle your set up without an issue especially if you purposefully over over-spec'd originally

Cool.


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Posted 01 March 2017 - 17:11

216th Nocke told me that 980 was a bit of a disappointment so you might hear what brand he got, 970 is a great deal cheaper and should be more than enough


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#6 dburne

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 17:22

1080 Ti was just announced.


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#7 Gambit21

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 17:28

I have a 780 (not the ti) which I guess is why it's doing fine. However I am starting to consider my upgrade path. I never go bleeding edge, but I'm eyeballing that 1080. Maybe when the 1180 is released. 1080 is just too much of a performance leap to ignore.
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#8 Dakpilot

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 17:29

1070 uses same or less power than 780ti so should be a good straight swap, and is currently best bang for buck and should be good for a long while

 

I have a 970 and while it is very good I would still recommend the 1070 over it if at all possible

 

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#9 Space_Ghost

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 17:42

216th Nocke told me that 980 was a bit of a disappointment so you might hear what brand he got, 970 is a great deal cheaper and should be more than enough

 

The 980ti actually has some pretty significant performance gains over the standard 980.


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#10 II/JG17_HerrMurf

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 17:52

I did some decent research between the 700 and 900 cards when I spec'd originally. I know nothing about the 10 series cards. Also plug and play? No issues with my motherboard/specs?
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#11 216th_LuseKofte

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 17:58

My pc cannot take 10 series, I have to change so much that it would be 1/2 of the price of a new one, thanks to our Dev and DCS graphic settings I can continue using my 7 year old RIG , until I am sure buying a new is the wise thing to do :)

 

The 980ti actually has some pretty significant performance gains over the standard 980.

I believe you, my guess is that Nocke got a standard 


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#12 Space_Ghost

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 18:00

I did some decent research between the 700 and 900 cards when I spec'd originally. I know nothing about the 10 series cards. Also plug and play? No issues with my motherboard/specs?

 

None that I'm really aware of.

 

Most PCI-E hardware is going to be drop-in-and-go.


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#13 II/JG17_HerrMurf

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 18:02

Thanks, time for some research and pricing comparos'
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#14 216th_LuseKofte

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 18:02

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 18:09

My advice is always get the top of the line card if you can at all afford it. My 980 is still going strong, but games are games and I will finally be upgrading to a 1080 soon.

 

We've made nvidia aware of the 780 problem and they've acknowledged the issue, but no resolution yet. Don't know if they ever will. Same with ATI and the particle issue.

 

I know it's a pain, but this 780 issue is not our doing.

 

If you can afford to upgrade I encourage you to do so. Especially if you have a VR unit.

 

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#16 II/JG17_HerrMurf

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 18:27

The real downside, because I can afford to upgrade, is it means no HerrMurf Benevolent Society for the quarter. I can't afford a card and give always. In all seriousness........
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If the argument against expanding to the Western Front is simply the Luftwaffe was overwhelmed and defeated then there is absolutely no reason to ever go back to the late war Eastern Front either. 

 

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 19:05

My i52500k is getting long in the tooth so I'm looking at CPU, motherboard, gpu and RAM. Not to mention Windows 10.
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#18 Space_Ghost

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 19:07

My i52500k is getting long in the tooth so I'm looking at CPU, motherboard, gpu and RAM. Not to mention Windows 10.

 

I loved my i5 2500K and was able to get 4.2GHz+ on stock voltages.

 

She was a good chip.


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#19 Gambit21

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 19:16

It's at stock speed - I could probably over clock it and get another year out of it...hmmm
I know - dumb that I've never overclocked it
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#20 II/JG17_HerrMurf

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 19:42

1070 does appear to be the better performance v cost option at the moment. Still shopping..................


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If the argument against expanding to the Western Front is simply the Luftwaffe was overwhelmed and defeated then there is absolutely no reason to ever go back to the late war Eastern Front either. 

 

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#21 Dakpilot

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 19:47

It's at stock speed - I could probably over clock it and get another year out of it...hmmm
I know - dumb that I've never overclocked it

 

Highly recommend you try before you change, there is tons of info available

 

Cheers Dakpilot


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#22 Gambit21

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 20:01

Yeah I downloaded the Asus AI Suite (for the motherboard) a while back, just never got around to messing with it.

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#23 Space_Ghost

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 20:04

Yeah I downloaded the Asus AI Suite (for the motherboard) a while back, just never got around to messing with it.

 

I wouldn't even bother with that.

 

Go into your BIOS/EUFI and set the multiplier.


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#24 Gambit21

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 20:07

I got myself in trouble with that when I first built the system - that's why it's been at the stock speed ever since. What supposedly worked according to Tom's Hardware etc caused me double boot issues,
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#25 Dakpilot

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 20:13

Although with my previous 1366 i7 did a full manual overclock, on my current Asus board I have used the software and been very happy with one button click overclock results, at pretty much 4,5ghz ,,been 24/7 stable for years

 

It may seem like cheating but it works..

 

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#26 JG5_Schuck

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 20:15

Yeah, i've sold mine to.

And i've upgraded, i wish id waited abit longer as they've now released the 1080Ti.

Oh well technology moves on, in 3 years time a $300 card will probably be quicker than todays $1000 card.

So do you buy a new $300 card every year, or a new $1000 card every 3 years?


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#27 Gambit21

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 20:19

I often get the one just under the lead card. My 780 overclocked equal to a stock 980 with no fuss. This time around though - 1080 at least as I'm eyeballing a 4K monitor. No VR for a long while.

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 21:52

I'm in the same conundrum as many of you. I've got 780tis in 2x SLI. The lack of VRAM relative to modern cards causes some hiccups in some games, and SLI itself is hit or miss (probably won't do it again), but I just can't justify replacing the cards when they continue to perform well in every new game I throw at them. This driver issue in IL2 is the first serious issue I've ever had with the 780tis. I don't want to replace cards that still work, but if this type of problem starts popping up in other games, I'll have no choice.

 

It's especially frustrating because the game performs so well in the up to two minutes before it freezes using the latest drivers. I get 120-144fps @ 1440p with full ultra settings - the game performance is just phenomenal. With the 368.81 drivers, I get 60-90 fps @ 1440p with full ultra settings, which is fine, but it could be so much better if Nvidia would support their product.

 

If I'm going to spend money on gaming equipment right now I'd rather be spending it on head tracking....


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#29 Rjel

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 21:57

The real downside, because I can afford to upgrade, is it means no HerrMurf Benevolent Society for the quarter. I can't afford a card and give always. In all seriousness........

It's great to be generous, but some others can step up too. Do this for yourself without any regrets. IMO.


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#30 StG77_Roo5ter

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 22:16

http://wccftech.com/...de/<br> |<br> Nvidia price cuts hit yesterday in lieu of new competition from AMD in the next... month? or two?


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#31 Gambit21

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 22:22

I'm in - I wonder when the updated cards will ship.
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Posted 01 March 2017 - 22:27

My i52500k is getting long in the tooth so I'm looking at CPU, motherboard, gpu and RAM. Not to mention Windows 10.

 

Find a guide specific to your motherboard on how to overclock the i5 2500k.  With my EVGA z68 SLI board it was way simple.  I've never overclocked anything in my life before this CPU, and was scared to attempt doing so.  But - when repalacing a heatsink/fan in my PC I decided I'd give it a shot.  @ 4.5ghz on air.. I think my vcore voltage is at like 1.334 or 1.34 (don't take my word for that.. i'd have to check my bios) and I changed like one other setting to lower the heat. Running ram at 1600mhz (did not overclock ram)

 

Getting my processor above 4ghz was the single largest improvement in frame rates in both DCS and IL-2.  Significantly more so than upgrading from a gtx 680 4gb to a gtx 980ti.   Perhaps now that I'm running at 3440x1440 resolution I'm benefiting more from that video card upgrade... but the overclock gave this pc I think several more years of life. I believe I'm going to upgrade from 8gb of RAM as well, as IL-2 and DCS both recommend like 12 or 16gb. 

 

Just make sure you follow every step.. and you stress test the machine afterwards with good temperature monitoring software.  Make sure you aren't reaching critical temps under a full load, and if you BSOD it probably means slightly more voltage or slightly less cpu speed.  Finding the spot between processor speed and heat production is the key.  My pc had been throttling my cpu speeds back due to the old fan not working as well anymore and still overclocked ez as pie and stable and strong having replaced that heatsink.

 

 

 

Now in response to the OP - get the best most modern card you can afford imo.  It will last you longer.   I wish I had waited to get a 1080 rather than buy the 980ti when I did, if nothing else but for future proofing.   That being said.. It'll probably be a few years before I feel like I need to upgrade from the 980ti.. but that would be more the case if I had waited for pascal.   


Edited by headwarp, 01 March 2017 - 22:56.

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#33 =R4T=Sshadow14

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 22:34

Thats sad.,

Great card going to the Furnace

My 780SOC (non ti) Still going strong 50-70 fps on ultra @ 1080P (80-120fps in single player/campaign)
(with cpu on stock 4Ghz major improvements if i push to 4.5Ghz, Tho i dont need more than 50 fps for liquid smooth game play..)

Terrain.cfg changes means game uses 2.987gb of 3gb Vram (but otherwise runs flawless for endless hours without crashing)


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Posted 01 March 2017 - 22:37

Not sure if it's been mentioned yet but with the announcement of the 1080Ti it sounds like the original 1080 has dropped in price by $100, giving it an MSRP of $499, great time to pick up a VERY powerful card. 

 

Link to the 1080Ti News: http://www.pcgamer.c...s-finally-here/


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#35 Dakpilot

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 23:27

It is an interesting thought that the GTX 780ti launched in 2013 with release price of $699 and now GTX1080ti just launched with $699 tag 

 

I think $20 (or even $699)  bought more beer in 2013 than it does now...

 

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 00:37

I am so tempted by the 1080ti especially my running VR now, but I just dropped some serious bucks on an EVGA GTX 1080 FTW just about 6 months ago and really can not justify it.

Trying to convince myself to just wait for next generation.


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#37 Gambit21

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 00:40

Let me help you - dropping that amount of cash on a 1080ti when you already have a 1080 would be profoundly stupid unless you have absurd amounts of disposable income.

Better? :)


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#38 dburne

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 00:49

Let me help you - dropping that amount of cash on a 1080ti when you already have a 1080 would be profoundly stupid unless you have absurd amounts of disposable income.

Better? :)

 

Whew, yeah thanks!

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#39 =SqSq=headwarp

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 01:01

Whew, yeah thanks!

:biggrin:

 

Your 1080 is still a beast :P  I'm with Gambit.. you made your choice 6mo's ago.  And it will most likely give you many years of use. 


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#40 =R4T=Sshadow14

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 01:49

Lol lucky people...

1080 Still over $100 AUS For a good one :blink:


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