MiG-3 Bias Claims tested.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Since the accusation of Bias is thrown around quite carelessly by many, this is my take on the MiG-3 and it's Range of Speed and the Frustrations of evaluating russian Performance data. 

 

So I basically did a Full Open and a Proper Operation Temperature Speed Test. 

 

Ground Level

 

Condition 1 (clean): 

• Mix: 50%
• Throttle: 100% (1040mm in Mercury)
• Prop: 100% (2050rpm)
• Oil: 100% (49 and 74°C)
• Water: 100% (63°C)

=Top Speed: 464kph

 

 

Condition 2 (clean): 

• Mix: 50%
• Throttle: 100% (1040mm in Mercury)
• Prop: 100% (2050rpm)
• Oil: 50% (63°C and 85°C)
• Water: 25% (100°C)

=Top Speed: 488kph

 

 

Condition 1b (clean): 

• Mix: 100%
• Throttle: 100% (1220mm in Mercury)
• Prop: 100% (2050rpm)
• Oil: 100% (55°C and 80°C)
• Water: 100% (70°C)

=Top Speed: 492kph

 

 

Condition 2b (clean): 

• Mix: 100%
• Throttle: 100% (1220mm in Mercury)
• Prop: 100% (2050rpm)
• Oil: 100% (55°C and 85°C)
• Water: 50% (90°C)

=Top Speed: 503kph

 

Have to leave now, but 

Rocket Launchers: -12kph

.50cal Pods: -11kph. 

Temperatures remain the same. 

 

Theorretically it will do about 522 when goin all out with 25/25 Rads, Temps just about not Overheating, but maintaining Proper Temperatures it isn't such an Über Beast. It requires careful Nursing to go that fast. 

 

Will do the same for the Yak-1 at Sea Level, 4500m and 6000m

Edited February 2, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Can we avoid the terms biased/unbiased and instead use the terms undermodeled/overmodeled?

[JaffaCake]

I wish the devs supplied proper readout for speeds and altitude, somewhat similar to what WT does. Would save us so much second guessing.

[Original_Uwe]

Can we avoid the terms biased/unbiased and instead use the terms undermodeled/overmodeled?

That would be a giant leap towards civility I think.

[303_Kwiatek]

There is similar topic in russian language forum with a lot historical data. In game speed which is listed in manual (520 kph at deck) are achiveable for quite long time without overheating - no need to futher test it. So our Mig3 serie 24 do in deck 520 kph with afterburning (full rich mixture) and about 495 kph without like in game data.

 

Key is that such speed (495 kph without afterburner and 520 with bost) was for early Mig3 versions without slats, different propeller and reduction gear ratio. Later Mig3 as we have in game got different propeller, reduction gear and worse performance - about 466-475 kph without afterburner.

Edited February 2, 2017 by 303_Kwiatek

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

But I guess that's the Technochat. I don't know what Temperarure they tested for.

The fault could simply be in the Thermodynamics and the Maximum Operating Temperature.

Flying her at these Settings means running at Oil 100+°C and Water at 115°C, which is Engine Murder.

[303_Kwiatek]

Klaus problem with Mig3 performance in game is that our Mig3 got speed performance from early Mig3s where late version like we have in game should have different performance regime more suitable for late versions which were slowier then early ones. It like you got Yak1 69 serie with performance suitable for Yak1B. In russian language forum there is a topic which these problem was discussed also with a lot of original data.

We could take that performance which is show in manual for every plane in bos is achiveable ( sometimes you could do get even best results when use different radiator settings or check different altitutde - ex. like with Yak1s in game)

 

Btw map for test in ÌSA conditions is autumn (+15 deg) not summer or winter ones

Edited February 2, 2017 by 303_Kwiatek

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

The Numbers in my OP are the ones that would be achieved using Proper Engine and Radiator Settings. And these are not 520 but 505 maximum. Of Course you could do 535 if you Close Rads Completely but these are also useless results. The useful Result that a Real Aircraft would have achieved at Take-Off Power with Normally Maximum Allowable Temperatures is 505, not 520 . That may or may not be too much, but 520 are basically Overheat Conditions only that the Technochat doesn't say it.

[303_Kwiatek]

If no overheat message that it mean your engine has no risk of damage and could do run it forever in game - its mean you are not in overheat real condition you risk nothing. Overheat in real terms mean that you heavily risk damage your engine. So if there is no oveheat message in game you are not in overheat condition - it is simple.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Nominal Operating Temperature is around 100°C Water and around 80°C Oil. It makes about 15kph Difference wether you Exploit ingame Limits to the Maximum or fly by RL Limits.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

You know, the RL Testpilot didn't have Technochat, so would set his Aircraft up for a Certain Temp and maintain that. The Question is what Temperature that is.

[Blutaar]

As long as the overheat warning does not appear you can fly forever, i tested it with YAK 1b.

The manual says 100c max water temp but overheat appears at 115c, im pretty sure thats where the problem lies.

Strict enginelimits for german engines and not so strict heat limits for russian engines, im not a fan.

 

edit: of course its only true if the temp limits in the ingame manual are correct, maybe irl you can use 115c all the time.

Edited February 2, 2017 by Ishtaru

[303_Kwiatek]

But I guess that's the Technochat. I don't know what Temperarure they tested for.

The fault could simply be in the Thermodynamics and the Maximum Operating Temperature.

Flying her at these Settings means running at Oil 100+°C and Water at 115°C, which is Engine Murder.

Arent rated max water 110 and oil 115? Above it engine oveheat start?

 

 

Maximum true air speed at sea level, engine mode - Boosted: 525 km/h

Maximum true air speed at sea level, engine mode - Nominal: 493 km/h

Maximum true air speed at 7600 m, engine mode - Nominal: 626 km/h

 

Engine:

Model: AM-35a

Maximum power in Boosted mode at sea level: 1350 HP

Maximum power in Nominal mode at sea level: 1120 HP

Maximum power in Nominal mode at 6000 m: 1200 HP

 

Engine modes:

Nominal (unlimited time): 2050 RPM, 1040 mm Hg

Boosted power (up to 10 minutes): 2050 RPM, 1240 mm Hg

 

Water rated temperature in engine output: 80..110 °C

Water maximum temperature in engine output: 120 °C

Oil rated temperature in engine intake: 40..80 °C

Oil maximum temperature in engine intake: 85 °C

Oil rated temperature in engine output: 115 °C

Oil maximum temperature in engine output: 120 °C

Edited February 2, 2017 by 303_Kwiatek

[Brano]

Klaus problem with Mig3 performance in game is that our Mig3 got speed performance from early Mig3s where late version like we have in game should have different performance regime more suitable for late versions which were slowier then early ones.

...should have...source? Do you have NII VVS report for series 24? Of course you dont. Data you are reffering to has been discussed allready,those are for MiGs tested from combat units = not factory fresh,with no info about engine resurs and general condition of tested aircraft.

[303_Kwiatek]

You probably know that preinvasion on ZSRR produced planes got better performance then after. It inculde not only Migs but also Laggs and other planes. Pre invasion Mig3 reached 495/520 kph but it was little different plane without slats, with different propeller and reduction gear ratio. Late series which actually we got in game got slats, different proppelers and reduction ratio - their maximum speeds at deck was slowier to about 466-475 kph at nominal power. At war time Mig3 was in maximum speed at low alt between 109 E and 109 F2 version not faster.

[303_Kwiatek]

I find some data from russian sites:

 

Early Mig3 (without slats) - reached ab. 495 (nominal)/ 520 kph ( bost)

 

Late Mig3 ( with slats, different propeller, redection gear ) speed drop to about 466/475 kph nominal at deck.

Edited February 3, 2017 by 303_Kwiatek

[303_Kwiatek]

Some notes about Mig3 modifications:

 

MIKOYAN and GUREVICH MiG-3 TIMELINE

 

5 April 1940: I-200's (MiG-3 prototype) 1st flight. Mikulan AM-35A: 1,350 hp./T.O. & emergency power., 1,200 hp./19,700 ft.

 

December 1940: 101st production MiG-1 becomes the 1st MiG-3. The MiG-

 

Note: The MiG-3's structure was changed constantly in production and all were powered by the Mikulan AM-35A.

 

1st Major Operational Series (0204/0205), February 1941: 1st deliveries to 16 AIP

*Armament: 2 x 7.62mm ShKAS above the engine + 1 x 12.7mm UBS on the port side of the center-line.

*None of the early MiG-3s had leading edge slats on the wing.

*Canopy was impossible to open at high speed.

*Leakage of fuel and fuel vapor into the cockpit.

*Unsatisfactory arrangement of the instrument panel.

*This MiG-3 series would not recover from a spin, even when skillfully flown.

*The AM-35A engine problems were faulty carburetion, low oil pressure & supercharger failure and over revving.

*Low speed instability.

*Lack of an inert-gas fire suppression system.

 

Note: The MiG-3 did manage to outclass the I-16 in vertical maneuvers while dogfighting.

 

2nd Major Operational Series (Five gun version) 821 total series produced, June 1941:

*Most of the serious defects were resolved.

*Wing leading edge slats became a standard feature.

*RSI-4 radio was installed.

*Two underwing berezin 12.7mm machine guns in gondolas were installed.

*Maneuverability was reduced to an unacceptable degree.

*Maximum speed was reduced by 12.4 to 18.6 mph from the 1st Series.

*Typical Specifications:

*Combat Weight: 7,385 lbs.

*Maximum Speed: 279 mph./S.L., 364 mph./23,600 ft.

*Climb: 2,900 fpm./S.L., 16,400 ft./7.5 minutes.

*Service Ceiling: 35,000 ft.

 

Note: The two underwing Berezin machine gun pods were removed from many of these A/C when they joined their combat unit because of the adverse affect on speed and maneuverability.

 

3rd Major Operational Series (2nd Series with underwing gun gondolas removed). June/July 1941:

*Armament of 1 x 12.7mm +2 x 7.62mm was inadequate for modern aerial combat.

*This series had much better control surfaces than the Me 109 & specialized in high-speed attacks.

*Landing gear often failed to extend.

*Damage to the upper undercarriage components frequently occurred upon landing.

*Replacement of damaged radiator ducts & fuselage structure was difficult to repair because the fin was integral with the fuselage.

*Short range ruled out its use as a reconnaissance aircraft.

*The following information comes from test reports on MiG-3 No.3262 & can be considered typical for the early combat ready wartime version with 3 machine guns:

*Combat weight: 7,242 lbs.

*Maximum Speed: 287 mph./S.L., 347 mph./16,400 ft., 374 mph./25,500 ft.

*Climb: 3,000 fpm./S.L., 16,400 ft./6.8 minutes.

*Service Ceiling: 35,600 ft.

*Maximum Range: 447 mls.

*Turn Time at low altitude:23 seconds.

 

Note: One urgent demand to the designers was for external fuel tanks to be installed.

 

Vs. the Bf.109E:

At altitudes below 13,100 ft. where the majority of air combats took place in the summer of 1941, the MiG-3 was slightly faster, as flight test had shown. But the Soviet pilots knew that in critical situations they would not be able to open the canopy and escape from the aircraft, and therefore preferred to fly with the canopy removed. This reduced the MiG's speed by some 18.6 mph. So the Bf.109E gained superiority in that respect though the Bf.109E surpassed the MiG in a steep climb, the MiG-3's vertical maneuverability was better. The turning time of the two fighters was approximately the same though the Messerschmitt's turning radius was 25% tighter owing to its lighter wing loading. Being lighter, the German fighter also had more powerful armament. A comparison of the radio equipment was not in the MiG's favor. At altitudes above 16,400 to 23,000 ft. the MiG-3 completely outclassed the Bf.109E and , at the least was not inferior to the more advanced 'F', but combats at such altitudes were rare.

 

 

 

 

 

From game data about BOS Mig-3 :

 

Length: 8.255 m

Wingspan: 10.2 m

Wing surface: 17.44 m^2

 

Combat debut: July 1941

 

So we got Mig3 in BOS from June-July 1941 peroid

Edited February 3, 2017 by 303_Kwiatek

[Brano]

 

You probably know

I know quite a lot about MiG-1/3 development and serial production and I also know that it is futile to discuss that with you (considering your rather poor level of knowledge of the matter) + your evident intentions and agenda.

Back up your claims with NII VVS test report for MiG-3 series 24.Thats all.

[303_Kwiatek]

  I know quite a lot about MiG-1/3 development and serial production and I also know that it is futile to discuss that with you (considering your rather poor level of knowledge of the matter) + your evident intentions and agenda.

Back up your claims with NII VVS test report for MiG-3 series 24.Thats all.

 

I think your got to emotionaly attitude here.  Look from which peroid we got our Mig-3 in game -  developers notes it is combat debiut - July 1941.  It is clearly not first series Mig3 which hadn't slats also it had removed UBS gondloas ( only aditional equimpent). It looks that we go from Mig3 timeline - 3rd Major Operational Series ( June-July 1941) - so we should look performacne from these peroid.

 

BTW if you know a lot abut Mig1/3 development maby you exchange your knwoledge here and post some interesteting data about your Mig3 24 series?

 

And i dont undestand what you mean agenda? I fly both side planes ( Mig3 too) so i not have any other agenda than historical realism

Edited February 3, 2017 by 303_Kwiatek

[Brano]

Just look at your mockery of Romans work in DD145 topic as shiny example of your agenda.I know that any sense of selfreflection is missing on your side but please,do us all a favour and stop trolling around.

All my posts about MiG-1/3 are freely accessible for any user of this forum.Do some search yourself,I dont have time for that.

And if I had some sensational revealing documents about MiG-3 series 24 test,I would for sure share them with Danil,Roman or Andrey via PM in an mature discussion. But I dont have them.They do.Thats why all your input here is just blowing hot air out of your agenda driven trumpet.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

-snip-

 

as shiny example of your agenda

 

-snip-

 

do us all a favour and stop trolling around.

 

 

-snip-

 

Thats why all your input here is just blowing hot air out of your agenda driven trumpet.

 

Do I always like Kwiatek's tone? Maybe not.

 

Do I think it's becoming of you or appropriate of you to accuse people of trolling? Definitely not.

 

Is that last line contributing anything worthwhile to the thread? Not at all.

 

-snip-

 

i not have any other agenda than historical realism

 

As I said, I don't always agree with Kwiatek's tone (could be a simple cultural/language barrier thing) but I don't doubt the above statement at all.

Edited February 3, 2017 by 4./JG52_Space_Ghost

[Mowgli]

So we got Mig3 in BOS  from June-July 1942 peroid

They stopped producing MiG-3 in 1941. Although I can't guarantee I fully understand Kuitek's language.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

They stopped producing MiG-3 in 1941. Although I can't guarantee I fully understand Kuitek's language.

 

"In October the German advance on Moscow forced the factory, and its OKO, to evacuate to Kuybyshev where production resumed under unsuitable conditions. However, shortly afterwards, Stalin sent a telegram to the directors of the plants building the Ilyushin Il-2 and the MiG-3 demanding more Il-2 production, resulting in MiG-3 production being terminated in favor of the Il-2, with a final thirty aircraft built in 1942 from spares. An additional factor in cancellation of the MiG-3 was that its Mikulin AM-35A engine was closely related to the Il-2's AM-38 allowing production to be quickly switched from one to the other." - Yefim Gordon, Soviet Air Power of WWII (2008)

[Mowgli]

with a final thirty aircraft built in 1942 from spares

Ah, ok. The secret 30 planes produced in Gulag by Stalin. Yes, but no, thank you )))

[Danziger]

I hate to say it but Kwiatek is correct. Our MiG is somewhere in the middle. When the MiG was first announced and the GUI graphic for it was shown it was an early model. There was a big thread where people were begging for the later model because it was "prettier" and in higher numbers during the war. I always wanted the early version because of higher performance. The performance of the MiG got worse with every iteration up until the AM-38 version. The MiG was designed to be a very high altitude interceptor. It performed best over 10km altitude. Unfortunately the Germans never sent in high altitude bombers like in BoB so the MiG was forced into a role it was not designed for. I am not saying it was useless at lower altitudes because there were plenty of victories with MiGs and some aces with it. The Germans were actually afraid of it when they first encountered it. They knew nothing about it and were used to I-16s and I-153s. Some even thought it was friendly 109s at first. The series 24 was chosen because it has a mix of early and late features. It is late enough to have the different cowling and slats and all that but still early enough that gun pods were not unrealistic. It is a compromise plane. 

 

However, the better performance is exactly why I would have preferred to keep the early MiG.

 

 

Also with a name 303 Kwiatek I am guessing he is from Poland. I know he comes off as a d!ck sometimes but I am not sure isn't it just his way. My polish sister-in-law is the same way. She is nice but there is no filter on her and she will state the facts as she sees it whether it is in good or bad taste. Many family fights....

Edited February 3, 2017 by BorysVorobyov

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Ah, ok. The secret 30 planes produced in Gulag by Stalin. Yes, but no, thank you )))

 

No, thirty additional aircraft were built at the original factory using surplus parts - no Gulags and no secrets. I point this out  because Kwia may be referring to the 30 "late model" MiG-3's produced.

[Mowgli]

No, thirty additional aircraft were built at the original factory using surplus parts - no Gulags and no secrets. I point this out  because Kwia may be referring to the 30 "late model" MiG-3's produced.

In June-July 1942? That's what Kwiatek said. The final batch of the improved decommissioned aircraft? I don't understand, sorry for my ignorance.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

In June-July 1942? That's what Kwiatek said. The final batch of the improved decommissioned aircraft? I don't understand, sorry for my ignorance.

 

I don't understand what narrative you're trying to push so I'm not going to bother issuing a long, thought-out response to this one.

[Mowgli]

I don't understand what narrative you're trying to push so I'm not going to bother issuing a long, thought-out response to this one.

Which is good. There is a typo in Kwiatek's message - https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/27564-mig-3-bias-claims-tested/?p=439133 where he says "1942" at the bottom. That's why I was totally confused.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Which is good. There is a typo in Kwiatek's message - https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/27564-mig-3-bias-claims-tested/?p=439133 where he says "1942" at the bottom. That's why I was totally confused.

 

Again, I don't understand the narrative you are attempting to push.

 

Thirty MiG-3's were assembled in a final production run at Kuybyshev in 1942 - this is supported by academic and official sources. There is very little to debate there.

Edited February 3, 2017 by 4./JG52_Space_Ghost

[303_Kwiatek]

It was my typo of course i mean June-July 1941 which is peroid when our Mig3 was produced and beging in combat

 

Btw wasnt Wish-22e propeller with only variable prop not constant speed unit which was used in later models?

Edited February 3, 2017 by 303_Kwiatek

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Don't know if that answers the question nor if the source is credible but here you go: http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fww2/mig3.html

Translator:

 

On July 10, a series of automatic slats were introduced, thanks to which noticeably improved snap performance. In addition, in the second half of 1941 MiG-3 received the AM-35A engine with a reduction of 0.732 (instead of 0.902) and screw AV-5L-123 30╟ blade rotation range (instead VISH-22E), with bulletproof glass lamp shade, external fuel tanks and the system of filling fuel tanks with inert gas. There have also been introduced in a series of ailerons with increased up to 26% of compensation and horizontal tail with space allocation - 63% - stabilizer and 37% - the elevator. All these measures will also improve flight and performance MiG-3, as well as to increase its survivability.

In addition, taking into account the comments of combat units of the poor design of hoods with locks "zushi" and the complexity of their operation, at No.2554 machine was worked out on the new hood tie locks, of the type Bf-109 fighter, which was introduced on the MiG-3 with 16 series. At the same time in order to prevent sand and dust into the suction blower nozzles them automatic SAG-Lonka were established, which opened and closed with the cleaning and release of the chassis.

The model ingame has the Bf109 type of hood locks so it' supposedly a No.2554+ machine.

Edited February 3, 2017 by 6./ZG26_5tuka

[Danziger]

The model we have in game is series 24. The gun pods were from some series not long before and the heavy nose armament with starter tooth are from series not long after. They wanted to cover as much ground as possible with a single model. I'm guessing flight model should be based on series 24.

[303_Kwiatek]

Borys which serial number it represents? I suppose it suitable for about 3000 numbers we should looking for? Or above 2400 numbers? Any have info if Vish-22e was only variable propellers? I read somewhere that early series of Mig3 got variable prop (also Pokryskin in his book wrote that they have variable propellers during early days of war). Our Mig3 got constant speed unit.

Edited February 4, 2017 by 303_Kwiatek

[303_Kwiatek]

From Gordon, Khazanov:

 

Shortly before the war, 821 MiG-3s armed with five machine guns had been manufactured, but the additional armament was removed from many of these aircraft when they joined their combat units. The performance of 'light' MiG-3 No.3262 can therefore be regarded as typical for the aircraft that went to war. At a weight of 7,2421b (3,285kg) the fighter had a maximum speed of 287mph (462 km/h) at sea level, 347mph (559km/h) at 16,400ft (5,000m) and 374mph  (603km/h) at the service ceiling of 25,500ft (7,800m). Time to climb 16,400ft (5,000m) was 6.8 minutes, the service ceiling was 35,600ft (10,850m), a turn at low altitude took 23 seconds and the take-off run was 1,049ft (320m). The maximum operational range was 447 miles (720km). Deterioration in performance compared with the initial production series MiG-3s was due to the camouflage finish and the rough surface finish of the fuselage and cowling.

 

 

At the end of the summer the MiG-3 underwent many changes. Aircraft delivered to the front at that time were equipped with slats, the gear ratio of their AM-35A engines was increased from 0.902 to 0.732, and they had automatic propellers instead of the VISh-22E variable pitch propellers fitted previously. Consequently handling characteristics, stability and reliability improved. However, rate of climb and take-off performance changed for the worse.

A typical fighter, No.3943, had maximum speeds of 289mph (466km/h) at sea level, 353mph (569km/h) at 16,400ft (5,000m) and 382mph (615km/h) at 25,600ft (7,800m). It took 7.1 minutes to climb to 16,400ft (5,000m) and 22 seconds to complete a turn at 3,330ft (l,OOOm). Flying weight was little changed, being 7,2721b (3,299kg) without external fittings and with 7381b (335kg) of fuel. "

 

 

Its look that Vish-22E was only variable pitch propeller  which was used in early Mig3. BOS Mig-3 got constant speed propeller, so we looking forward for:

-version with slats, constant speed propeller from June-July 1941. It is suitable for above 3000 number series - so performacne based on number serie 3943 (from data below)

 

So about 466-475 kph at nominal power at deck ( depend of prop used)/ and probably about maximum 500 kph in boost.

Edited February 4, 2017 by 303_Kwiatek

[Danziger]

I can't say it is based on any single serial number or series. I think probably the default is series 24. Then with 2xUBS it changes to series 27 and with 2xShVAK changes to the very last production in June 1942. The ones with starter tooth have a different propeller than the series 24 without the starter tooth. As I said our MiG is supposed to cover a lot of different types using one model. I really hope one day we can get an early MiG as a collector plane and use the gun pods with that instead of this one. 

 

 

- 12 series - rear fuselage fuel tank volume decreased by 110 liters;
- 13 series - changes in fuel system;
- 14 series - centroplane fuel tanks volume decreased by 50 liters (each);
- 15 series - new shape of horizontal stab, elevator aerodynamic compensation is 26%, percentage amount of area changed - 63% for stab, 37% for elevator;
- 16 series - dust covers on air scoops at wing roots (closed/opened by gears up/down action);
- 17 series - new propeller - AV-5L-139;
- 19 series - automatic slats added;
- 23 series - electric fuel gauge on instruments panel;
- 25 series - external fuel tanks (august 1941);
- 26 series - starter tooth added;
- 27 series - 2xUBS (from serial 4902) and prop AV-5L-110 (so when you choose 2xUBS version option - it also adds starter tooth);
- 28 series - air compressor type АК-50;
 

June 1942 factory #155 made a series/conversion of 2хShVAK armed version (30 airplanes)

[303_Kwiatek]

Another interesting article about detoration in speed and climb for medium-late Mig3 series comparing to early ones.

 

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?act=url&depth=1&hl=pl&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.pl&sl=ru&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=http://wunderwafe.ru/WeaponBook/Avia/Mig3/13.htm&usg=ALkJrhioKL_67AgLA0kl0pKryG7Z7V7qcQ

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

yes you can run very hot on Russian planes (almost all of them)
Even if they over heat just Zap open max radiators and the temps drop 10-20*C almost instantly

And unlike german planes (which suffer black smokes and critical damage if temps or max combat power time is exceeded by only 3 seconds they can explode instantly"

but there is little concern of Russian engines doing this.