Game version 2.007 discussion: Bf 110 G-2, AI airplanes physics optimization

[Irgendjemand]

Really Otto? Had only a bit time to test it, but for me it seems to fly much better now. Of course, you can still get shot down, but from what I can tell so far, you now have possibilities, offensive and defensive.

 

Have to do more tests, but right now I would say: Thank you devs, goal achieved.

 

Manfred

Its much better now Manfred. Just give it a go. It much more forgiving and feels like a plane now. Its no uberplane but it also doesnt stall all over the place anymore.

At least thats what my guts say after just a few minutes berloga.

[Dakpilot]

AI  now perform/fly in a much more pleasing manner, amongst many other things, great update!!

 

Two thumbs up 

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Nil]

Excellent work, just excellent! I am happy that pilots are enjoying their new fw190 fm. even thought I own this plane and never fly it.

Thank you "Han and the boys" and their girls of course who take care of them!

 

EXCELLENT JOB!!! you guys rock! as always!

Edited January 31, 2017 by 1./TG1_Nil

[curiousGamblerr]

I've been grounded with a hurt wrist recently but had to break out the sticks for a few flights earlier to test G-2 and the 190.

 

As far as the 190, it's almost too reluctant to stall  I was in a bad spot on Berloga and tried to use the stall as a defensive maneuver to get a Yak off my tail and almost couldn't do it. I ended up rolling and rolling and rolling... Which was pretty awesome, he couldn't touch me but it's definitely a big change. I'm happy about it!

[Czar66]

Absolutely loving the 190 now. Speechless!

 

Very well done on the green smoke bug fix too.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

-snip-

 

As far as the 190, it's almost too reluctant to stall

 

-snip-

 

Them's fightin' words! 

Edited January 31, 2017 by 4./JG52_Space_Ghost

[Finkeren]

Had a chance to try it out tonight.

 

Great stuff all around. The Fw 190 feels absolutely wonderful. In combat you still have to fly smart to use it to your advantage, but it doesn't punish the slightest mistake, as it did before. Now it really is an extremely pilot-friendly aircraft. As long as you don't yank the stick around like a crazy person (as most of us do, especially online) it flies silk smooth and landings are a breeze now. It didn't become the best fighter in the sim overnight, and it certainly still takes dedication to master, but it is now far more accessible to a new pilot and those who already master it will probably find their combat effectiveness going up by a couple hundred percent. I still think it ought to perform a little better at medium altitude, but that's a minor thing compared to what was achieved in this update.

 

The Bf 110G2 is a delight, but has now made the E completely redundant except in a pure fighter role (and who uses it for that anyway?)

 

The AI is a joy to watch in flight, but man is it hard to fight now. They seem to turn a bit better in most aircraft and climb considerably better. I repeatedly got completely outflown by AI LaGG-3s on veteran level. 

[HippyDruid]

Nice update!

 

The TrackIR/FFB bug still persists. 

 

Please look at it...

Edited January 31, 2017 by HippyDruid

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

Hey guys not sure if its been mentioned of if its just my game.

Only a small issue but//
The Auto pilot no longer wants to engage @ all.
I used to use it for benchmarking

Quick Mission >> Take off & Landing Calm >> I would start plane then turn on auto pilot it would take off and fly the course and land by itself.
Some missions it would not work it would say auto pilot on , but not move
Now nothing happens no auto pilot on icon no nothing.

[szelljr]

"Aircraft bump textures can be edited by users;"...Hi! ,what is that bump textures?edited? where?something whith skins ? 

[6./ZG26_Custard]

Hi Devs, Just a couple of things, the 110G-2 does seem to have damage issue on the nose with the guns getting knocked out with what seems like consummate ease.

 

One other thing is a Skin issue on the 110 Stratmann skin see below.  Thanks for the fantastic work though

 

 

[coconut]

Just took the FW190 in a fight against in a AI i16 in overcast weather. I managed to keep up with it most of the time. In tight turns I could use yoyos and himmelmans, something that was dangerous to do before. And when I lost speed, regaining it was definitely easier. At high speed it's also a very precise shooting platform.

 

It also seems that the vehicle convoy bug that would cause them to scatter and get lost all over the map has been fixed. Great job!

[Original_Uwe]

I just took the new 190 out-

HOLY CRAP???!!! Where has this 190 been my whole time simming?

After just a few one on one flights against the AI this is without a doubt the best 190 in any of the IL2 games. Its smooth, fast, and at speed turns with anything. And the acceleration! My god!

And the stall-viscious and almost totally without warning (only a very minor buffeting), just as the pilots described.

 

Well done devs, very well done.

[Caudron431]

This is E-P-I-C.  Thank You 1CGS guys!  

 

PS Why is it bed time over here, whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?

[Otto_bann]

...First round we flew today, we were taking off in 4 Fw190 on WoL. Leading score was 8, then 5, then 4 and 3 Kills. 20 Kills to one loss ...

Let me understand : You mean to got 20 kills with a 4 squad fly especialy because the FW got this new FM? You think this would not possible in 4 x 109s (except about the different gun power but it's not a question of FM)? If you think it should be harder to do it with the older "salto-A3" version, I agree. But I don't think this succes is just the fact of the new FM, realy I can't belive it.

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

What guys about acceleration A3 in combat? Havent test yet it but acceleration on take off seemd resonable.

 

Problem with see A3 in BOS as real bucher bird is probably not plane performance itself but rather relative with other planes which could get overestimated some parametrs (roll rate, maximum speed or lower heating engines).

Is one thing to test plane performance and handling separately (which now is really close to specification) and another thing to check it in combat with other planes. If you would have for ex. much more overheating M105PF engines it would be mean lower climb rate and maximum speeds, lower roll rates of some planes, or more precise maximum speed then we got relative performance of A3 much different in game.

 

I think it also has to do with the fact that we have the best of the VVS in terms of Yak/LaGG. We don't have the earlier non-PF versions, which were in combat when most of LW's fame of dominating the VVS comes from (mid-late 1941/early-mid 1942). Also we don't have big numbers of I-153/I-16s (no radio) or non-skilled (combat experienced / good training) pilots among the VVS teams in multiplayer.

 

Also Fw 190's nickname is the name of a bird (also known as "Shrike" in English), not neccesarily implying it should butcher it's enemies out of the skies (Bad memories of "It was called Flying Fortress for a reason" comes to mind )

Edited January 31, 2017 by SuperEtendard

[SOLIDKREATE]

Those new 110 engines are excellent! Much faster 110 than the previous version!!! i guess that extra 300hp worked eh?

 

 

Love the Bf-110G-2/R1 configuration. I can't wait to bust IL-2's with it.

 

 

 

THANK YOU SO MUCH 1C TEAM!!!!!

[Beazil]

Well, first thing I did after reading the update was to head home and try it out on my lunch break.  Because I was goofing off, I died every single mission I did.

 

But I could do things I had not previously been able to do, and that new 110 was a treat to bomb around in during a quick mission.  But regarding the FW changes:  Wow!  What a difference.

I'll get more time later this evening when I'm able to fly again.  So far, it seems so much better than before, it's like a whole new plane.  Goes to show how those changes to correct the angle of incedence (sp?) and shifting the center of gravity forward seems to have completely changed the plane.  And yes, I can confirm, IF you do snap roll, it IS nasty.  But like I said, I was pushing limits.  Looking forward to more time with it.

 

And yes, I'm with Spaceghost on this.  I was not expecting an update so early after the last one.  Amazing job.  You guys have really impressed me.  Way ahead of the expected fix that was to come when the FW190-A5 was released to those who pre purchased BOK.  

Oh yeah - my point -  Thank you!  

Edited January 31, 2017 by Beazil

[Rjel]

I only had a short period to fly but watching the AI maneuver, it all seemed much more realistic. Best of all I was getting 50-60 FPS with 16 planes in the air too with ground vehicles added in the QMB. It seems very smooth. For those insisting that the game is choppier than before, it might be worth a re-download. The sim is far smoother than ever before for me.

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

Victor Chevic" some times steam doesn't auto update you have to go into you're library and see if it's ready for download updates, I had to do this for IL2 today steam didn't automatically update.

Edited February 1, 2017 by 71st_AH_Mastiff

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

Well this update sounds great, but in all these disscussions I cant find the most important piece of info; how do you go about installing it? I try to log into the game and all I get is the error message of "#10027 packed data fail, please restore original pack data files." What are pack data files? how do i restore them? In every other game I ever had when there was an update, it instaled automaticaly or at least gave you a link to click on to accomplish the task. There seems to be nothing in the user manual that covers this either. So how do I go about this? Where can I find instructions?

IL-2 Sturmovik Steam version did not auto update this morning for me either, I had to force update it, go to your library list and the look for downloads go there and you should see it ready for update.

[CUJO_1970]

300MB downloaded so far and I'm actually so very nervous and anxious about the FW-190...yeah I know that sounds silly.

 

It's weird to feel this way about a flight sim, but I do.

[CUJO_1970]

Is the CLmax of this plane close to 1.58? or less? Can a dev answer this?

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=149411

 

Gavrick (Roman) said in DD 140 CLmax for FW-190 is between 1.3 and 1.4 per calculations and newly obtained documents.

[DD_Arthur]

300MB downloaded so far and I'm actually so very nervous and anxious about the FW-190...yeah I know that sounds silly.

 

It's weird to feel this way about a flight sim, but I do.

 

This time....they've nailed it

[Original_Uwe]

300MB downloaded so far and I'm actually so very nervous and anxious about the FW-190...yeah I know that sounds silly.

 

It's weird to feel this way about a flight sim, but I do.

No more tears, only kills now.

[pilotpierre]

Anudder eggs celent effort mein kinder.

[CUJO_1970]

What jumps out right away: energy fighter.

 

Glorious energy fighter.

[FlyingNutcase]

It's nice to see that the 190 seems to be as it "should be".

 

Any news regarding the AI behavior changes?

 

It's good to see that the devs will at least still do debugging work on the FME. 

 

This looks like a pretty solid step towards Kuban. :-)

[TG-55Panthercules]

Ran a couple of QMB missions like I always do after each update to check on the "bubble of blur" issue.  Maybe it's just wishful thinking, or maybe my brain has finally succumbed to looking past it after all this time, but while I can see that it's still present at least on the summer Stalingrad map from 1,000 m altitude it seemed to be much less noticeable than before.  I haven't had a chance to try any of the other maps or altitudes yet, and that'll have to wait till I get back from work tonight, but I'm liking what I've seen so far.

 

Really great list of changes/updates for this one, and if it really has improved the bubble of blur issue as well then that will be fantastic!  

 

 

Have you tried the terrain.ini "trick". Ill post a link to the thread if i remember when i go home.

 

It works pretty well in smoothing the bubble.

 

 

Well, spoke too soon - went back and did some missions on the Stalingrad winter map and the old bubble looks pretty much just as bad as it did a few updates ago.  I have messed around with the terrain.ini "trick" several times (just about every time someone resurrects that thread with a new post), but have never seen any results worth bothering with.  Been following the new thread about some new idea someone says they're testing - hope it eventually turns out that there's something there, despite the strange outpouring of negativity flooding that thread (always with the negative waves, Moriarty).  

 

I guess the encouraging thing about this morning's brief test was that if I stick to playing some areas of the summer map I probably won't notice the bubble too much, but it doesn't look like this update really did much if anything to address this issue after all

[unreasonable]

Gavrick (Roman) said in DD 140 CLmax for FW-190 is between 1.3 and 1.4 per calculations and newly obtained documents.

 

I calculate it as 1.37-1.39 over the range of speeds and weights in the new aircraft specs in-game, about the same as the 109s and quite a bit better than any of the Soviets. This "1.58" business was discussed at great length in the FM section. 

 

Really, if any GAF pilot cannot do well in it now they have only themselves to blame.

 

(I assume Han will update the Tech Specs page when he has time).

[smink1701]

I think this might be my favorite update so far for two reasons

 

1. Fixing the 190 is like getting a new plane.  Its wonderful.  Now I hope the dev team will take another look at the P40 which is like flying a truck.

 

2. AI is finally "simulating" a plane and not a jumping bean.  What an amazing difference this makes.

 

Thank you, thank you and thank you again!

[Jade_Monkey]

Well, spoke too soon - went back and did some missions on the Stalingrad winter map and the old bubble looks pretty much just as bad as it did a few updates ago.  I have messed around with the terrain.ini "trick" several times (just about every time someone resurrects that thread with a new post), but have never seen any results worth bothering with.  Been following the new thread about some new idea someone says they're testing - hope it eventually turns out that there's something there, despite the strange outpouring of negativity flooding that thread (always with the negative waves, Moriarty).  

 

I guess the encouraging thing about this morning's brief test was that if I stick to playing some areas of the summer map I probably won't notice the bubble too much, but it doesn't look like this update really did much if anything to address this issue after all

 

I had excellent results for a while. I had to reinstall the game recently and the latest iteration doesn't seem to do much tbh.

[CAPSLOCK_ON]

Amazing new Fw-190.

 

Finally, after all the simming years since 90s (Warbirds, anyone?), I feel that finally I can fly a 190 according to pilot memories I've read so much. That's a whole new plane, it is joyful to fly, stable gunnery platform, energy retention and so on. Just spent 3 hours in a row flying it in SP.

 

Congrats, devs!

 

On the other hand, I get some stutter when I rotate my head around the cockpit. Is that the TrackIR/FFB stutter bug? I got G940 + TIR5 set-up. 16 GB RAM, 2 GB VRAM (R9 270x), i5. Other than that, game runs smoothly capped to 60 fps to avoid screen tearing.

Edited February 1, 2017 by CAPSLOCK_ON

[ShamrockOneFive]

Great update! I've only had a little bit of time with it but both the Bf110G-2 and the updated FW190A-3 are pretty amazing. Had a great time flying around with both of them!

[StaB/Tomio_VR***]

Don't know if someone spotted this and can't read all the previous msg but

 

110G2 guns can get jammed alltogether when one is hit...

 

I played twice offline mission with QMB againt 8 Pe-2 "Ace".

They hitted me and jammed all my guns

[Finkeren]

Don't know if someone spotted this and can't read all the previous msg but

 

110G2 guns can get jammed alltogether when one is hit...

 

I played twice offline mission with QMB againt 8 Pe-2 "Ace".

They hitted me and jammed all my guns

Yeah, it's been reported already. Definitely smells like a bug.

[Victor_Chevic]

Salutations,

 

What exactly is the procedure for obtaining the update? Non steam here.

Do we need to download the entire game once again? Do we need to delete our current version before loading the new?

 

The way is stands now, I can't even load the old version. Why doesn't it automatically update when I attempt to load the game? Wishful thinking I suppose. Updating should be easy.

I had the same problem. After several unanswered e-mails to "customer support", what a joke, and just a few, at the time, suggestions from several forum post, for possible suggestions, I finally “bit the bullet” and re-downloaded the game client. It took several hours just to figure out how to do that and the download, after I stumbled upon a link in my steam account for it, took 4 hrs. 

 

After the download it took another hour or two to figure out how to get it to work and after I finally got it to open, I spent the rest of the day and into the evening reconfiguring everything so its now just as it was before the patch. At least I haven’t run into anymore problem just yet. 

 

I first started working on this problem at about 07:00 this morning and it’s now 21:15 and I’m just finishing up. I didn’t delete the old version first so you shouldn’t have to, but you won’t be able to uninstall the old game version from your computers control panel if you don’t. I went there to do that and it only had one icon for the game, like it didn’t recognize the two separate versions. I was afraid if I did, it would uninstall both and I’d be back to space one and have to start all over. So, I had to go thru all my computer’s files, hunting for folders that pertained to the old version and I isolated them all in a separate folder, just in case. I’m not going to actually delete them until I know for certain there’s nothing in there I might need.

 

The fact that my original version was thru steam might have been part of the problem. As it turned out I wasn’t using the actual launcher, witch steam didn’t provide, but now I am and the game is not in the old steam folder but in a new folder called IC Game Studios. Perhaps that’s for the best.

 

I wasn’t using the launcher but didn’t know that, after all, that was my only experience with the game, so how would I know, I assumed the sign in screen was the launcher. 

 

Like you said, you shouldn’t have to be a computer programmer just to do a simple update. I’ve played other games in the past from WoW to AO and when an update came due, it was just a matter clicking on a link or button when you first signed in and that was the end of it, other than waiting for it to update. 

 

I’ve heard peeps bemoaning that there are so few folks in multiplayer and now I think I know at least part of the reason. Don’t get me wrong, I really like this game, or I wouldn’t have spent an entire day and half the evening figuring this out, but this has got to be, at times, the most user unfriendly thing I have ever encountered. Customer support is non existent and if you encounter problems you are totally on your own. That’s got to be a major turn off to a lot of people.

 

Unfortunately, I doubt that that aspect of the game will ever change. There is no monthly subscription and other than a few “collector planes,” not much of anything that you can buy for the game, Like “Golden Eagles” in War Thunder and all kinds of stuff in AO and other Funcom games. 

 

Once you’ve bought the game, they’ve made all the money on you that they most likely ever will and if you quit tomorrow and never even figure it out, so what?

[Ralston66]

Just wanted to say that I really enjoy this sim and thank you so much for this update!

 

Although the fw190 is always been my fav to fly, so much so, that I practically flew the fw190 entire time in campaign mode from (BOS to now), now at level-11. The new fw190 is an absolute pleasure to fly (i.e. Improved stall, turn, acceleration, climb etc.). Looking forward to testing my skills out against the AI and flying 110 g2 as well.

 

Looking forward to the rest of BOK.

 

Thanks

[SOLIDKREATE]

One hit wonder!

 

 

 

 

 

 

HORRIDO!!!!

 

 

 

[CUJO_1970]

There is a third gold bar under my profile pic now, representing BOK.

 

It wasn't there until this update.

 

Outstanding work gentlemen.