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Game version 2.007 discussion: Bf 110 G-2, AI airplanes physics optimization


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Except when enemy plane is flown correctly also. :)

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Except at high speed, it still stall to much in turn IMO


Sorry this thing does 560 at sea level, can do very tight turns now and keeps its energy nicely and is a dream to fly. What do you expect?
This thing takes everything from the sky now if flown correctly...

Except at high speed, it still stall to much in turn IMO

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the BK gunpod - its not working for me...and the Mk17 mg are a bit too week on that Me110 G2, or is it only my imagination? I was strafing the train with little effect, and the BK didn't even fire...

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After few quick fights with Fw-190, I think it is quite close to what it should be.  It is not invincible(as someone seems to expect) but a competent fighter plane. Well done!

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150GCT_Veltro
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Except at high speed, it still stall to much in turn IMO

Except at high speed, it still stall to much in turn IMO

 

Are you turning in combat at low speed with a FW?

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regarding Bump mapping > see here http://crazybump.com/

 

how will this work with IL-2? Well, the linear bitmap skin can now look 3d, like rivets, materials....

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Sorry but imo and after several tries the 190 stays a prey rather than a butcher. It is a bit improved but it is still far from what it should be for me. This bird will remain in my  garage, as before. I still regret so much of having bought it.

 

I think actual A-3 is best what he could have really. According to climb and speed we got really what we could find in German specification. It shine at high speed now and at lower you need be carefully still

 

I think there are some issues with other planes in game which casue still not accurate relative performance in BOS ( e.x.  too low overheating M-105 PF engines, too good roll rates of some planes, also some maximum speeds). But surly recent A-3 FM changes give us much more close RL characteristic of these plane

Edited by 303_Kwiatek
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Thanks for the patch, you guys rock!

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Great job guys! And well done on the Fw190A3!

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SCG_Space_Ghost
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-snip-

 

If Kwiatek is standing behind it than we're probably as close to reality as we're going to get within the confines of PC simulation.

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Another small unnoticed (previously?) detail for me. The 190 has 4 additional default skins (Priller, Muncheburg + +). Great work and certainly enjoyed.

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Thanks developers you made good job with Fw 190. I made only a quick flight but it fly better than before and turn good at high speed..deflection shooting now seems possible...I have only to test the diving speed acelleration..

Many thanks...going to buy BOK soon

Edited by ITAF_Rani
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Another small unnoticed (previously?) detail for me. The 190 has 4 additional default skins (Priller, Muncheburg + +). Great work and certainly enjoyed.

I noticed this but thought they were introduced earlier... I think other planes have some extra skins too

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Are you turning in combat at low speed with a FW?

It's not a low speed fighter, I know this...

 

After few quick fights with Fw-190, I think it is quite close to what it should be.  It is not invincible(as someone seems to expect) but a competent fighter plane. Well done!

In any case It stay really far aways of the ''butcher bird'' like it was named IMO :(

 

Russian attackers have again good days at front of them ;)

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If Kwiatek is standing behind it than we're probably as close to reality as we're going to get within the confines of PC simulation.

I was thinking the same thing.

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I was thinking the same thing.

It's a glitch in the Matrix - head on a swivel everyone.

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6./ZG26_McKvack
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Great work devs!

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Another small unnoticed (previously?) detail for me. The 190 has 4 additional default skins (Priller, Muncheburg + +). Great work and certainly enjoyed.

 

...and they look gorgeous.

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Well done Han and the boys! A superb update. You guys are really shining now.

[DBS]El_Marta
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Great update. You even cleaned the canopy. (somewhat)

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1PL-Husar-1Esk
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It's me or fuel leaks have different  color ?

150GCT_Veltro
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It's not a low speed fighter, I know this...

 

In any case It stay really far aways of the ''butcher bird'' like it was named IMO :(

 

Russian attackers have again good days at front of them ;)

 

Wait for Mk.Vb, and it will return a "butcher bird" at once.

 

We need to check the acceleration, but Kwiatek positive feedback is the garancy they did a great work on the FM.

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Well that's just great. So how exactly do I do that? I've been going thru the manual and it tells how to regester and install it in the first place  but not how to reinstall it. When I go to my steam account and try to install it it just tells me that its already installed? Why cant this game be more user friendly, we're not all computer programers. Is ther somewher that I can find instructions on how to do thuis that an average peeson can understand? Do i need to complety delete the game first and if I do that how do I reintall it? 

 

No need to reinstall. Just delete all content of the update folder. Then run the launcher.exe again. This definitly worked always with a normal steamless setup ;)

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... but Kwiatek positive feedback is the garancy they did a great work on the FM.

Not for me, I prefer try and feel the stuff myself.

 

Easy to see. If it is realy like you say, it's the 1st or one of the better german planes (like it was in reality). So it will be in priority chosen among a large part of LW fighter guys in the future isn't it? Ready to bet? Maybe a bookmaker around here...? :)

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Salutations,

 

What exactly is the procedure for obtaining the update? Non steam here.

Do we need to download the entire game once again? Do we need to delete our current version before loading the new?

 

The way is stands now, I can't even load the old version. Why doesn't it automatically update when I attempt to load the game? Wishful thinking I suppose. Updating should be easy.

Not sure what you're doing that's different but I just double click on the icon and lo and behold it checks and if necessary updates. Automatically. Easy. I would check how you launch it, if you don't use the launcher.exe then you should be, problem solved :)

CSW_GC3_Chroust
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Great update..thx devs for your work..

FTC_DerSheriff
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It's not a low speed fighter, I know this...

 

In any case It stay really far aways of the ''butcher bird'' like it was named IMO :(

 

Russian attackers have again good days at front of them ;)

I really wonder what u are doing with your Fw.

 

First round we flew today, we were taking off in 4 Fw190 on WoL.

Leading score was 8, then 5, then 4 and 3 Kills.

 

20 Kills to one loss sounds like butchery to me. the one loss was to a pe2, the Fw took a bullet into the engine.

 

The Fw is a dream to fly

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Have always been a huge 190 fan and even with the pre 2.007 model I flew and still preferred it to ever other Axis plane even though I knew it needed work. Still did okay with that version too. Taught me a lot. You could not let anyone get on your 6 within a km or your were going to have a hard time. It felt somewhat like an underdog instead of a performer.

 

This plane feels like the top dog now. Easily competitive with the other planes in most scenarios instead of only being good with a massive energy advantage. Can stay glued on La-5's fairly nicely. Roll rate even feels more initially responsive. For those who became good with the old 190 the new one feels a bit unresponsive (yes I liked how sensitive it was but hey I'm weird like that) but its still better than the 109 in pitch sensitivity and stability. A lot more positive stabilizer is required when fighting and especially when pulling out of a dive. This thing hits 750 km/h like nothing.

 

TL/DR:

190 is different but is such a good way. Dev's amazing damn work. I don't regret a penny I've put into this game. Keep up the good work. 

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Fantastic update, thanks! Both 110G2 and new Fw are great! Both seems to be very realistic and fun tu fly. Great engine sound on 110!

 

 Does anyone get lower fps with new upadate, or is ti just me? I am playing at 4K, I7 7700K 4,6 ghz, MSI gtx 1080 armor OC. I used to have steady 60 fps. Now around 55 and stuttering.  I think my CPU and GPU usage also dropped (cpu all cores max 28% ), but I am not sure.

 

MS FF2 + TrackIR = stuttering bug still there on my setup.

 

I also have stuttering, the game does not run smooth anymore, started in the previous update ..... :angry:

 

Sorry but imo and after several tries the 190 stays a prey rather than a butcher. It is a bit improved but it is still far from what it should be for me. This bird will remain in my  garage, as before. I still regret so much of having bought it.

 

I agree with you, continues somersaulting in the air, will continue in the garage....

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Excellent Work Comrades  :biggrin: Thank You!!

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I also have stuttering, the game does not run smooth anymore, started in the previous update ..... :angry:

 

 

I agree with you, continues somersaulting in the air, will continue in the garage....

You would normally apply full right rudder to get out of a stall. And then ease off rudder as you begin to gain control back.

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Well, another update and all my flight sim stuff is in storage as I'm waiting to move house.

It's now been a month and with no flight simming in that time I'm starting to get twitchy, lol!

 

So, drove 40 miles to the storage container, fetched out my gaming PC and drove another 40 miles and set it up in my refugee abode(no room for flight sim gear) and at least now I'm downloading the update, sorting out new skins etc... 

By the time I do get set up in my new house, at least the game will be updated and ready to fly .

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[CPT]Pike*HarryM
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You could always drive tanks...

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You would normally apply full right rudder to get out of a stall. And then ease off rudder as you begin to gain control back.

 

With the rudder I have no difficulty, the problem is the elevator in the 190  :wacko:

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What guys about acceleration A3 in combat? Havent test yet it but acceleration on take off seemd resonable.

 

Problem with see A3 in BOS as real bucher bird is probably not plane performance itself but rather relative with other planes which could get overestimated some parametrs (roll rate, maximum speed or lower heating engines).

Is one thing to test plane performance and handling separately (which now is really close to specification) and another thing to check it in combat with other planes. If you would have for ex. much more overheating M105PF engines it would be mean lower climb rate and maximum speeds, lower roll rates of some planes, or more precise maximum speed then we got relative performance of A3 much different in game.

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Thank you for this excellent update. :)

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Not sure what you're doing that's different but I just double click on the icon and lo and behold it checks and if necessary updates. Automatically. Easy. I would check how you launch it, if you don't use the launcher.exe then you should be, problem solved :)

Ah... need to run with the Launcher.exe. Thanks.

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Except at high speed, it still stall to much in turn IMO

 

Except at high speed, it still stall to much in turn IMO

Really hard to say if you dont try real fw190. Critical angle of attack from game data looks very high 19.5 degree now

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