curiousGamblerr Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 I've created a wiki for us on Gamepedia, you can find it here. Please discuss the wiki and ask questions in the topic I've created here. This wiki will succeed based on community contributions, so please make yours today! Thanks! 22
1./KG4_Blackwolf Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 Very nice CG! I thought it was funny a WT ad came up on the top main page. Isn't that like a Pepsi ad on the Coke website?
6./ZG26_McKvack Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) This will be a great addition. Nice work! Edited January 26, 2017 by 6./ZG26_McKvack
=TBAS=Sshadow14 Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 (edited) Very nice CG! I thought it was funny a WT ad came up on the top main page. Isn't that like a Pepsi ad on the Coke website? No Ads on the webpage here (tried many load ups) sound like you got Malware / Spyware or Addware going on there. Specially if its one of those ads with little light blue X in top right corner they are BAD! Great work OP Now just need to fill it Edited January 27, 2017 by =r4t=Sshadow14
curiousGamblerr Posted January 27, 2017 Author Posted January 27, 2017 (edited) No Ads on the webpage here (tried many load ups) sound like you got Malware / Spyware or Addware going on there. Specially if its one of those ads with little light blue X in top right corner they are BAD! Great work OP Now just need to fill it There's definitely ads, that's how Gamepedia makes their money. They just load more slowly than the content (which is great, most sites are the other way around), maybe they time out completely for you. Interesting either way, but I can assure you the ads aren't any sort of malware. As for filling it, that's where you come in I did a basic E-7 page and will continue to slowly add stuff, but no way I can do it alone! "It takes a village..." to raise a wiki! Edited January 27, 2017 by 19.GIAP//curiousGamblerr
SCG_Space_Ghost Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 Thanks man. This is a valuable contribution to the community.
=TBAS=Sshadow14 Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 (edited) LMAO i forgot i have ad-blocker installed..only realised when i was on youtube i look in top corner and see that within 30 min Adblock blocked over 180 youtube ads that tried to play just remembered i have not seen a youtube ad for nearly 6 months now :D Edited January 27, 2017 by =r4t=Sshadow14
unreasonable Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 Well done sir, I hope this works out well.
curiousGamblerr Posted January 27, 2017 Author Posted January 27, 2017 Thanks folks! I hope it works out too I bet I can convince Nil to write the Ju 52 page... 1
RAY-EU Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 (edited) Thanks , very nice Wikiplane project . Where We can write and correct for first step by step all the specificatons of every plane like RoF ... From the Sim , WW2 history archives , for our tests ,compare il21946 ... like WT but upgraded . We Can evaluate , make more fisic formulas and take conclusions from WW2 history archives ... Edited January 27, 2017 by RAY-EU
Dakpilot Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 Thanks , very nice Wikiplane project . Where We can write and correct for first step by step all the specificatons of every plane like RoF ... From the Sim , WW2 history archives , for our tests ,compare il21946 ... like WT but upgraded . We Can evaluate , make more fisic formulas and take conclusions from WW2 history archives ... I think the last thing it needs is "conclusions" based on comparison figures to original IL-2 and "R/L history" figures, I don't believe that is the point of this project, it is about the 'game/sim' and making useful info and training advice more accessible in a central place... There is the FM section here for that kind of stuff Cheers Dakpilot
=TBAS=Sshadow14 Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 Yes please as Dakpilot says.Only Information on specs/stats as it is in the game currentlyNot how it was, how it could be or how it should be.Wikis and other pedias will always have issues with historical accuracy from times of old before computers.until people input all the planes Detailed info into a computer and figure out its Exact abilities that it was able to do without the need for test pilots or eyewitness accounts.
Finkeren Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 Agree with Dakpilot's point. Good to see a Wiki finally pop up
RAY-EU Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 Sorry , Internet is not (your )The Monopoly . Meanwhile Fisics and the People explain their coclusions in the Wikipedia obout History or another thinks ... Galileo 1610 ' epur se moeve ' .
Wolfs Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 I think this a great job! This should be stickied in the manuals and tutorials forum IMO
Dakpilot Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 Sorry , Internet is not (your )The Monopoly . Meanwhile Fisics and the People explain their coclusions in the Wikipedia obout History or another thinks ... Galileo 1610 ' epur se moeve ' . I fear you utterly misunderstand the whole point of this type of game wiki... Cheers Dakpilot 2
RAY-EU Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 Some times do not understand Wiki and do not Know the World where you live ? Wikipedia The answere is Internet but you have to know Fisics ... to take conclusions obout what is the real true from many lies that are false .
unreasonable Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 Some times do not understand Wiki and do not Know the World where you live ? Wikipedia The answere is Internet but you have to know Fisics ... to take conclusions obout what is the real true from many lies that are false . I look forwards to reading your contributions. Alternately, what might be better, is that you start your own website where you can guide us to the real truth, leaving the Wiki for tiresome things like helping new players find game information, tutorials, missions and videos. 1
Dakpilot Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 Some times do not understand Wiki and do not Know the World where you live ? Wikipedia The answere is Internet but you have to know Fisics ... to take conclusions obout what is the real true from many lies that are false . Again you are not seeing or understanding the difference between a Gamepedia site and a Wikipedia History/fact page Must be a language thing....you might consider using a browser which has spellchecker built in to make your posts easier to understand Cheers Dakpilot
=TBAS=Sshadow14 Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 (edited) GAMEpedia (About the game in its current state only if changes are made the wiki is changed, real facts in the real world do not belong here or matter)WIKIpedia (Soon to replace All paper encyclopedias (britanica and others) as the worlds most comprehensive and accurate source of information"Its all about the referenced sources - not the name of the contributor" Edited January 27, 2017 by =r4t=Sshadow14 1
curiousGamblerr Posted January 28, 2017 Author Posted January 28, 2017 Big thanks to JimTM for being the first person to contribute! He linked to a lot of our existing resources, really helps tie things together and works towards making the wiki a hub for Sturmovik knowledge. He also worked through some wiki growing pains with me. Thanks Jim!
unreasonable Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 May I make one suggestion? Il-2 does have a good manual, it should be in there, immediately obvious and easy to see the link on the very first page, not hidden in one of the tabs under tabs etc. I know it does not cover everything, but there is no need to reinvent the wheel on what it does cover. I am not one to say RTFM to everyone with a question, but sometimes it is the right course of action
JimTM Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 Big thanks to JimTM for being the first person to contribute! He linked to a lot of our existing resources, really helps tie things together and works towards making the wiki a hub for Sturmovik knowledge. He also worked through some wiki growing pains with me. Thanks Jim! Your wiki...welcome.
curiousGamblerr Posted January 28, 2017 Author Posted January 28, 2017 May I make one suggestion? Il-2 does have a good manual, it should be in there, immediately obvious and easy to see the link on the very first page, not hidden in one of the tabs under tabs etc. I know it does not cover everything, but there is no need to reinvent the wheel on what it does cover. I am not one to say RTFM to everyone with a question, but sometimes it is the right course of action Good idea, I'll give it it's own link under the Basic Training header. I do realize there is some reinvention of the wheel happening here, but the wheels we've got are sort of scattered around the forum and not obvious to new players, so I imagined this wiki becoming the cart holding all the wheels together, if that makes sense. And as people endeavor to create new things, the wiki provides a collaborative platform for them, as opposed to a bunch of PDFs and what not. The manual also only covers BoS, while BoM has been released and we're well on our way to BoK. I was thinking if this wiki takes off, they can forgo the need for updating the manual at all. The devs themselves could contribute the information they would have put in the manual to the wiki. I could make Jason or Han or whoever a wiki guardian too. Many wikis on the site work with some direct collaboration from the developers. Lots of options and room to grow here. Thanks for the suggestion!
BraveSirRobin Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 (edited) It's good to see that some noobs will have more info on the plane they're dying in and the plane that is killing them. Edited January 28, 2017 by BraveSirRobin
JtD Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 Hm, good idea. But I'm instantly put off by "third reich aircraft". I don't like nazi propaganda slang. And how Italy is the third reich escapes me, too. It's not even necessarily Axis (in game it is, though). How do I edit that? 1
curiousGamblerr Posted January 28, 2017 Author Posted January 28, 2017 Hm, good idea. But I'm instantly put off by "third reich aircraft". I don't like nazi propaganda slang. And how Italy is the third reich escapes me, too. It's not even necessarily Axis (in game it is, though). How do I edit that? Yeah, that wasn't me, it was the Gamepedia guy that threw together basic pages for me. I've been slowly trying to get rid of that language... I think I'll go through and strip it all out now actually. To edit, you just click the Edit or Edit Source buttons on the top right of the page.
unreasonable Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 . The devs themselves could contribute the information they would have put in the manual to the wiki. I could make Jason or Han or whoever a wiki guardian too. Many wikis on the site work with some direct collaboration from the developers. Lots of options and room to grow here. Point taken about the manual not being entirely up to date - it si still the easiest way to explain the (confusing and unnecessarily complex) way to set up accounts, log in, etc. Another "easy win" would be to add the Tech Specs" page, either the content of a link. This page - https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/25993-aircraft-flight-and-technical-specifications-and-operational/ Since Han has stickied it, it should be kept up to date and is maybe the easiest way for the numerically inclined inquirer to get aircraft performance data.
unreasonable Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 Is it just me that finds a process that needs no less than 12 double-sided pages to explain how to get the game going not exactly ideal? Especially since some of the steps are irreversible if you mess them up. It is easily the worst designed of any game I have ever owned in this particular respect.
curiousGamblerr Posted January 28, 2017 Author Posted January 28, 2017 Point taken about the manual not being entirely up to date - it si still the easiest way to explain the (confusing and unnecessarily complex) way to set up accounts, log in, etc. Another "easy win" would be to add the Tech Specs" page, either the content of a link. This page - https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/25993-aircraft-flight-and-technical-specifications-and-operational/ Since Han has stickied it, it should be kept up to date and is maybe the easiest way for the numerically inclined inquirer to get aircraft performance data. Yeah, I kind of copied those values onto the E-7 page I made, but now I'm not so sure that was the right call (reinventing the wheel and all that). I'll link that along with the manual. The tricky part is that this sort of thing quickly makes the wiki just a bunch of links back to the forum. Ideally, this sort of content gets added to the wiki itself as we grow into it. To continue the wheels and cart anology: The wiki is the cart that holds on the wheels together. But over time, I would like people to start adding to the cart itself, rather than making more wheels, if that makes sense. Keep the suggestions coming. I put this thing together just to get the ball rolling, because getting started is often the hardest part. I certainly don't think I have all the ideas about what to do with it now that we have it and hope the community really takes ownership of it in the long run.
Sunde Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 I dont follow, have you tried setting up and account for a game like DCS? That is a true nightmare, to me BOX is easy to setup and get going in. Anyways, I like the idea of the wiki, tho i dont think the game contains enough diverse planes or maps, for it to be truly useful for anyone that has been playing for a while? I would imagine that newcomers might be able to put it to good use tho.
JimTM Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 Yeah, I kind of copied those values onto the E-7 page I made, but now I'm not so sure that was the right call (reinventing the wheel and all that). I'll link that along with the manual. I already added a link under "Flight Basics".
SJ_Butcher Posted February 3, 2017 Posted February 3, 2017 really nice initiative man, we should start adding the performance charts, technical specs for every plane.
TP_Silk Posted February 3, 2017 Posted February 3, 2017 really nice initiative man, we should start adding the performance charts, technical specs for every plane. Only on how they are implemented in game. Anything else would presumably be outside the scope of this particular wiki
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