Idea? Fi-156 Storch and Po-2!

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

I would buy the Storch, PO-2 and Li-2 (also a Chaika...). I think all of these add different dimensions and would be fun to play. Also, with the upcoming Field Marshall mode, they could work scout planes into that easily to give more and/or better information. That way teams that use the scout planes would find them quite beneficial.

 

Tying recon aircraft in to the FM mode is actually a brilliant idea.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Fw-189 & Po-2

I think a better contender for the Fw-189 (heavy scout) would be the Su-2. Later could even carry a potent bombload as opposed to the Uhu.

 

So my take is

 

Po-2 & Fi-156

Su-2 & Fw-189

 

additionally

I-153 & Hs-123

Edited January 5, 2017 by 6./ZG26_5tuka

[Dakpilot]

Fi - 156 and Po-2 = WIN

 

Fw -189 and Li-2/DC-3 = WIN

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Missionbug]

Fi - 156 and Po-2 = WIN

 

Fw -189 and Li-2/DC-3 = WIN

 

Cheers Dakpilot

 

 

I have to agree with that Dakpilot. 

 

To have any combination would be great, all four could be awesome.

 

 

The Ju-52 certainly seems to be popular with most of those that have used it and hopefully the time and effort invested in that aircraft will be repaid, if so I live in hope that the development team will now look at the aircraft above and realise that all types of aircraft can be popular additions to the game and bring with them a much more varied and interesting experience for the players.

 

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

Edited January 5, 2017 by Missionbug

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

But Li-2 is no scout. You can't give one side the benefit of having sth unique and the other don't or it will be "this side gets all the goodies" all over again.

[Dakpilot]

But Li-2 is no scout. You can't give one side the benefit of having sth unique and the other don't or it will be "this side gets all the goodies" all over again.

 

Ah ha! but there was an Li-2 R reconnaissance version (historic) specifically for scouting   

 

Russians get scout and transport..order is restored in the world 

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[[CPT]Pike*HarryM]

Depends on $ (sales of Ju-52) and also time, not much of that, they are neck deep in BOK stuff, then aren't they likely to do LA-5F and Bf-109G6?

 

Buy the Ju-52 if you haven't already. Also, USE it. I would guess since the game connects to master server it knows what people are flying? If you buy and then fly it once or twice then it indicates that such planes are just a novelty item that people lose interest in. Fly it in the SP campaign also.

[Finkeren]

I think a better contender for the Fw-189 (heavy scout) would be the Su-2. Later could even carry a potent bombload as opposed to the Uhu.

 

So my take is

 

Po-2 & Fi-156

Su-2 & Fw-189

 

additionally

I-153 & Hs-129

Release those 6 as a package together with a spring version of the Velikiye Luki map and I'll pay the price of a full game for it.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Release those 6 as a package together with a spring version of the Velikiye Luki map and I'll pay the price of a full game for it.

 

I would pay STD edition pricing for something like this.

[Finkeren]

I would pay STD edition pricing for something like this.

Obviously standard price.

 

Premium should include Ju 87B2 and LaGG-3 early series.

Edited January 5, 2017 by Finkeren

[Dakpilot]

Dak, what has Li-2 in comon with Fw-189?

 

 

 

About as much as the Yak-1b had with the Ju-52 

 

however the Li-2 and Fw-189 were both used as bombers, VIP transport and reconnaissance aircraft, with the Li-2 giving a cargo aircraft to VVS, and they are both cool

 

assume when people are talking about I-153 and Hs-129 they mean Hs-123? love the aircraft but they were pretty rare despite useful but limited use on Eastern front (and everywhere)

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[InProgress]

oh i would love to see some biplanes

[Gambit21]

It's settled then - standing by for the Storch pre-order.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

assume when people are talking about I-153 and Hs-129 they mean Hs-123? love the aircraft but they were pretty rare despite useful but limited use on Eastern front (and everywhere)

 

Cheers Dakpilot

Thx, corrected is in my post (too much hyped for the Hs-129 in Kuban I guess).

 

Hs-129 was not 'rare' at all, infact they replaced all Bf-110s and 109 E serving in Schlachtgeschwader units. It became the Luftwaffe's primary Schlachtflugzeug with the Ju87 Gs serving as backup (most of which were converted into D-7 and D-8 night bombers by 1944-45).

 

The Hs-123 on the other hand served with one unit threwout the war until 1944 when the very last reserves of spare parts were depleted. It had quite good scores and a suprisingly well return rate despite being fitted with biplanes form the era of the spanish civil war.

[6./ZG26_Custard]

The easten front doesn't feel complete without the Po-2. Saying that though, it doesn't feel complete with the Hurricane either   

[Dakpilot]

Yes lots of Hs-129's, looking forward to it with Kuban release

 

Hs-123 was a bit more rare, started the war with 39 aircraft, down to 32 at the Balkan Greece campaign and remained 22 at start of Eastern front all with  II.(Schl)/LG 2 which also used 38 Bf-109E for ground attack, eventually becoming SG1 during Russian campaign, numbers of Hs-123 were kept up with requisitioning spare aircraft from all over Germany'

 

The aircraft was so useful and reliable in service in the harsh conditions that suggestions were made to put it back in production but the tools and jigs had been discarded by Henschel after production stopped in 1940

 

 

Nice aircraft but not as deserving as Storch or Uhu in my 'fantasy list' 

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[YoYo]

Nice model of Po-2 from FSX/P3D:

 

 

 

Hope in IL-2 too :D.

[Cybermat47]

Absolutely! I would pay a lot for both of them!

[Gambit21]

That would be so much fun over the front at treetop level with a 190 vainly making passes on you.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

-snip-

 

Hs-123 was a bit more rare, started the war with 39 aircraft, down to 32 at the Balkan Greece campaign and remained 22 at start of Eastern front all with  II.(Schl)/LG 2 which also used 38 Bf-109E for ground attack

 

-snip-

 

 

That may be true but the Hs 123 seems pretty iconic for the Eastern Front despite the small deployment numbers.

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

LaGG-3 early series.

 

With the 5-gun configuration please

 

 

2 ShKAS, 2 UBS, 1 ShVAK  take off not guaranteed though

[Lusekofte]

 

 

That may be true but the Hs 123 seems pretty iconic for the Eastern Front despite the small deployment numbers.

They stopped production too early, I am sure they would kept on building it if they knew how important they became in Russia. I would like to have it too. I think ths simulator would do it great justice too.

Why do we have to choose only 2 or 4. I like to have 

PO 2

Storch

FW 189

SU2

HS 123

I 153 

and LI 2 or rather C 47 since we eventually go Pasific.

 

With the HS 129 coming I would not have time to fly Russian side if the FW 189 and HS 123 also would come

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

Sorry guys but we cannot waste precious time and money with those planes. Right now the only thing rational is player controlled trucks and trains. The flak would be really fun. 

[Gambit21]

Yeah - not so much

[Blooddawn1942]

It's settled then - standing by for the Storch pre-order.

So someone needs to inform Han then.

[MarcoRossolini]

Strongly support the Po-2/U-2.

 

An announcement would lead to an immediate buy from me.

[Seacondor]

I think the Storch is far more interesting to fly than the FW 189. It does things no other plane

in the sim can, which would allow mission builders to make some interesting missions. 

I made one for CFS3 and made some very diverse missions for it from Dropping agents behind the lines

to the final flight into Berlin bunker. It was very handy finding and striking partisan camps in the mountains.

It really is a great plane to fly up mountain valleys.  

Not that I'm saying the FW 189 isn't a good plane, just not as versatile for making interesting missions.

As a mate to the Storch I think the Po 2 is a must. For our Russian friends it is a good way to honour

the girls that flew them on very dark nights. The were called the 'Night Witches' by the German troops because they were so

effective.  

Edited January 7, 2017 by Seacondor

[Gambit21]

Any of them are more desirable than a G6 of questionable historical appropriateness.

The development bang for the buck for the Storch is far and away greater than yet another 109.

 

Don't get me wrong - I love the 109...but come on.

[Seacondor]

I'm pretty sure they were hit by AAA and crash landed (von Greim was wounded), but since Greim had been summoned to Berlin in the first place to take over from Göring as head of the Luftwaffe, they had to fly off again soon after.

The real truth regarding the Berlin flight was that Von Greim flew the plane with Hanna in the back. Just before they were due to land Von Griem was hit and wounded. Hanna leaned over from

the back and landed the plane. They went down to the bunker to met Hitler. After the meeting they left in another plane that had been hidden in the streets. This wasn't a Storch. 

[HandyNasty]

Any of them are more desirable than a G6 of questionable historical appropriateness. The development bang for the buck for the Storch is far and away greater than yet another 109. Don't get me wrong - I love the 109...but come on.

 

Totally agree

Edited January 7, 2017 by HandyNasty

[Finkeren]

The real truth regarding the Berlin flight was that Von Greim flew the plane with Hanna in the back. Just before they were due to land Von Griem was hit and wounded. Hanna leaned over from

the back and landed the plane. They went down to the bunker to met Hitler. After the meeting they left in another plane that had been hidden in the streets. This wasn't a Storch.

Ok, never knew that von Greim was the one at the controls on the way in. Makes Reitsch's achievement all the more impressive, that she piloted the stricken Storch down from the back seat.

[Finkeren]

Any of them are more desirable than a G6 of questionable historical appropriateness.

The development bang for the buck for the Storch is far and away greater than yet another 109.

 

Don't get me wrong - I love the 109...but come on.

Agree. Even though I think the G6 is fully appropriate for the BoK timeline. What the Eastern Front of this sim needs right now is some variety in plane types, not just yet another incarnation of the same 5-6 types.

[Ropalcz]

Last added collector's planes were transport for Luftwaffe and fighter for VVS.

 

Lets make it the opposite way and give Luftwaffe a fighter (G-6) and a transport plane (Po-2) to VVS.

Edited January 7, 2017 by Ropalcz

[Willy__]

 

 

Any of them are more desirable than a G6 of questionable historical appropriateness. The development bang for the buck for the Storch is far and away greater than yet another 109. Don't get me wrong - I love the 109...but come on.

 

I would still take on the G6 first.  

 

Thinking on a commercial selling point, I also think that a collector G6 would sell a whole lot more than a collector Po2/Storch. I wish they had time to make them all... 

[=WH=PangolinWranglin]

 

 

I wish they had time to make them all...

I think time is a major factor. The G6 would be easier and cheaper to model and make and might sell better, but what most of the active members of the community seem to want is variation, which could also help sell. It's a hard market to predict for flight sims right now... 

[Gambit21]

 

Thinking on a commercial selling point, I also think that a collector G6 would sell a whole lot more than a collector Po2/Storch. I wish they had time to make them all... 

 

From a revenue standpoint...tough to say really - I honestly could argue both sides.

In the end I think something different, that brings something new to the sim would be more popular than a slight variation of an already existing

aircraft - one that we already have 4 variants of no less.

 

On the other hand the G6 is popular.  so who knows. 

 

From a game play/variety/fleshed out theater standpoint, the Storch and Po win hands down - no arguing or debating that one.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Calling the Po-2 a "transport" is just, well, odd.

 

Yes it was used that way, but had a very limited cargo capacity.

 

I'd call it an observation type, at best, and perhaps a night interdictor  would also fit.  But the transport designation really belongs to the Li2. 

The TB3 also served in the transport role, and is more deserving of the title than the Po-2.

 

If you really want to even the plane sets then the LI-2 should be in the game to offset the Ju-52, and save the Po-2 as a premium stand alone, or pair it with the FW 189 (or Storch) in the recce role.

Edited January 8, 2017 by BlitzPig_EL

[Lusekofte]

Last added collector's planes were transport for Luftwaffe and fighter for VVS.

 

Lets make it the opposite way and give Luftwaffe a fighter (G-6) and a transport plane (Po-2) to VVS.

 

Hear hear, if not a PO 2 at least a transport. or a bomber, just not a fighter

[Nil]

Sure, I would buy a po2 and a Fi156 (for sure!)

 

BUT

 

Despite I would love to have them, 

I find the Po2 VERY slow.

Would be valid, solid gameplay for solo playing, but for multiplayer, more difficult.

 

The cruise speed of a po2 is 110 km/h

 

Try to fly that speed: take our beloved Tante Ju with full flaps, and manage to fly at 110km/h (almost stall speed) and fly with it... takes a LOT of time actually to even do a "tiny" 50 km. (typical low objective distance in MP)

 

 

Personally the plane I am waiting for is the C47 or Li2, would be very useful even in the upcoming Pacific.

 

Do not take me wrong, I REALLY love and HIGHLY respect those 2 birds and would buy them for sure, but, I prefer to get first medium transport for Red Army as it will be VERY useful on MP and Pacific Theater (2 in 1)

Edited January 9, 2017 by Nil

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

 

 

Despite I would love to have them,  I find the Po2 VERY slow. Would be valid, solid gameplay for solo playing, but for multiplayer, more difficult.   The cruise speed of a po2 is 110 km/h   Try to fly that speed: take our beloved Tante Ju with full flaps, and manage to fly at 110km/h (almost stall speed) and fly with it... takes a LOT of time actually to even do a "tiny" 50 km. (typical low objective distance in MP)  

 

The Ju-52 is listed at 210kph,, yet ingame it is mostly flown around 230-240kph.

The Po-2 is listed at 110 Cruise and 155 Maximum, so my guess is that ingame it will be flown much faster than Civilians would have, so my guess realistically it's more like 130-140.

 

That's 50km in around 20 Minutes. Since you wouldn't cross the Front by much, you wouldn't have to fly far anyways. Most of the time it would be flown in your own territory, just like a 52.

 

The main challenges it would be used for is Bushcrafting, STOLing and all the fun connected to that. Maybe a bit of Front Line Low Level stuff as well.