Calling 780's owners to find a real solution to update 2006 and NVIDIA drivers

[Jaws2002]

I'm in the same boat. I have the EVGA GTX780 superclocked i got right at release, in April-May 2013 and it shows it age. I tried to stay on older drivers, but I may just replace it, as the new 10 series are a heck of a lot faster.

[Grancesc]

Has anyone of you already performed tests with the new Driver 381.65? With my tests I had after about 4 minutes two screen freezes. After a PC reboot the game runs without further crashes (already 30 minutes).

[ST_ami7b5]

Still running?

Not in my case

 

I've  contacted NVidia recently, they gave me this advice:
 

Hello,

 

I could see a similar case reported with IL-2: Sturmovik and GTX 780 Ti.

Could you confirm the exact error you get while you play this game with the latest driver?

Are other games working fine?

Could you try this once with this game and check if that helps to fix the issue.

 

Creating a profile in NVCPL (NVIDIA Control Panel):

 

Open NVIDIA control panel (Right click on desktop and click NVIDIA control panel) > Go to Manage 3D settings under 3D settings > Select Program settings > Select the app/game from the dropdown menu > if it is not listed in the dropdown menu then click Add then select the respective .exe to the list > And now change these settings from Option 2.

•    Power management mode - Prefer maximum performance

•    Triple buffering - Off

•    Threaded optimisation  - ON

•    Vertical Sync - off

 

Apply these settings, refresh the Desktop several times, start the game play and check the performance.

 

Regards,

NVIDIA Customer Care 
 

Tried, didn't work even with the latest driver you mentioned

 

Edit:
Did clean install of the latest driver again.
Looked promissing, but crashed eventually...

Edited April 7, 2017 by ST_ami7b5

[Grancesc]

Still running?

 

Not in my case

 

I've  contacted NVidia recently, they gave me this advice:

 

Hello,

 

I could see a similar case reported with IL-2: Sturmovik and GTX 780 Ti.

Could you confirm the exact error you get while you play this game with the latest driver?

Are other games working fine?

Could you try this once with this game and check if that helps to fix the issue.

 

Creating a profile in NVCPL (NVIDIA Control Panel):

 

Open NVIDIA control panel (Right click on desktop and click NVIDIA control panel) > Go to Manage 3D settings under 3D settings > Select Program settings > Select the app/game from the dropdown menu > if it is not listed in the dropdown menu then click Add then select the respective .exe to the list > And now change these settings from Option 2.

•    Power management mode - Prefer maximum performance

•    Triple buffering - Off

•    Threaded optimisation  - ON

•    Vertical Sync - off

 

Apply these settings, refresh the Desktop several times, start the game play and check the performance.

 

Regards,

NVIDIA Customer Care 

 

Tried, didn't work even with the latest driver you mentioned

 

Edit:

Did clean install of the latest driver again.

Looked promissing, but crashed eventually...

 

The problem is still not fixed with the new driver 381.65, Also applying the settings mentioned by nVIDIA. There are still crashes. In my case sometimes after 5 sometimes after 30 min, varying.

 

[FuriousMeow]

Has anyone contacted support? Open a ticket through their portal? Seems like some are just going to their forum which gets no attention. You need to directly work with their support team.

[Grancesc]

Has anyone contacted support? Open a ticket through their portal? Seems like some are just going to their forum which gets no attention. You need to directly work with their support team.

 

​Opened ticket since the fault appeared for the first time. I sent all kind of HW information, GPUz logs and crash dump files. All drags on without results.

[ST_ami7b5]

Has anyone contacted support? Open a ticket through their portal? Seems like some are just going to their forum which gets no attention. You need to directly work with their support team.

Maybe you see my post above, where I copied part of my communication with NVidia support.

 

Here is another example of their communication with me:

 

Re: - IL-2 Sturmovik crashes with drivers after 368.xx branch [incident: 170403-000266]

 

Recently you requested personal assistance from our on-line support center. Below is a summary of your request and our response. We will assume your issue has been resolved if we do not hear from you within 72 hours. Thank you for allowing us to be of service to you.

To access your question from our support site, click here Subject

- IL-2 Sturmovik crashes with drivers after 368.xx branch

Response By Email (****) (04/06/2017 01:39 PM)

Hello ****,

 

Could you please try to install the latest NVIDIA driver from : http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/117263/en-us and check if that helps to fix the issue?

While installing the suggested driver, please choose custom advance option and perform the clean driver installation.

After the successful installation You must reboot your computer for the changes to take effect.

 

I answered, that the new driver (released yesterday) didn't solve the prob...

 

So, yes, some of us  contacted the support, but maybe some more users could do that...

And as you can see from the "Incident" ID, they surely know about the problem.

Edited April 7, 2017 by ST_ami7b5

[Sokol1]

381.65 WHQL cause problems for other games too:

 

http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/geforce-381-65-whql-driver-download.htm

[Ala13_knightcrow]

Let's keep watching what will happen with the imminent release 2009.... ....I've read that appart from VR some graphical optimizations are part of it....

 

kind regards,

Ala13_knightcrow

[ST_ami7b5]

Let's keep watching what will happen with the imminent release 2009.... ....I've read that appart from VR some graphical optimizations are part of it....

 

kind regards,

Ala13_knightcrow

High time this prob would be solved as I am really tired of making a clean install of the last functional driver every time i want fly BoS.

 

Today I even made clean install of BoS on their (nvidia) demand.

No success, game crashed after few secs...

 

My patience is undertaking a serious crash testing.

Edited April 8, 2017 by ST_ami7b5

[ST_ami7b5]

Just finished installing W10 anniversary update

 

and....

 

 

the good ol' crash persists.

[xDeadMan]

Does this apply to the 780 ti also?

 

Damn. It does.

 

Shit. How unlucky. Looks like Im putting cash away for a 1080 for the next few months

Edited April 9, 2017 by -SOLO-HPV

[Ala13_knightcrow]

Did anyone try new patch 2009 with latest nvidia drivers (owning a 780 Nvidia card)?

 

Kind regards, crossing fingers...

Ala13_Knightcrow

[ST_ami7b5]

Did anyone try new patch 2009 with latest nvidia drivers (owning a 780 Nvidia card)?

 

Kind regards, crossing fingers...

Ala13_Knightcrow

 

I did.

Still crashes

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

-snip-

 

Looks like Im putting cash away for a 1080 for the next few months

 

/thread... really...

[Ala13_knightcrow]

It wouldn't be fair.. when yesterdy with old nvidia driver, everything set to ultra and all options checked including sharpen and v-sync on ('Dynamic resolution factor not checked) I could fly with FPS between 72 and 144, i mean i can't accept that my 780 is a graphic card that has to be thrown to the rubbish bean under these conditions. Imagine you buy a gtx1080 and after several months another problem within drivers arises.. Will you be buying another card?

 

Kind regards, ...

Ala13_Knightcrow

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

It wouldn't be fair.. when yesterdy with old nvidia driver, everything set to ultra and all options checked including sharpen and v-sync on ('Dynamic resolution factor not checked) I could fly with FPS between 72 and 144, i mean i can't accept that my 780 is a graphic card that has to be thrown to the rubbish bean under these conditions. Imagine you buy a gtx1080 and after several months another problem within drivers arises.. Will you be buying another card?

 

Kind regards, ...

Ala13_Knightcrow

 

Since that isn't the case and my graphics card isn't nearly 3 product generations old I can't really provide a concise answer to that question.

[ST_ami7b5]

Since that isn't the case and my graphics card isn't nearly 3 product generations old I can't really provide a concise answer to that question.

That 3 product generation old card does an excellent job with older 368.81 driver, so someone else is to be blamed, not those card owners...

 

Btw., no prob in other games/sims, which is ALSO an interesting point

Edited April 12, 2017 by ST_ami7b5

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

That 3 product generation old card does an excellent job with older 368.81 driver, so someone else is to be blamed, not those card owners...

 

Btw., no prob in other games/sims, which is ALSO an interesting point

 

I'm not blaming card owners and the issue is clearly driver based but how long do you beat the dead horse before you accept the fact that fixing whatever issue is present is clearly a low priority to NVidia..?

[ST_ami7b5]

This thread is meant for 780 owners, to exchange news/info.
I communicate with NVidia and will put any new info here.

 

Those not interestet may read elsewhere...

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

This thread is meant for 780 owners, to exchange news/info.

I communicate with NVidia and will put any new info here.

 

Those not interestet may read elsewhere...

 

I'll read and post where I like with full respect to the forum rules.

 

Thanks. 

[Grancesc]

The screen freezes continue in my configuration. However, slightly less frequently after the 2.009b update (every 30 minutes).

I would also very much appreciate, if in this thread only people would post who can make a constructive contribution to the topic.

[Dave]

I too would appreciate people unaffected by this issue butting out.

 

I spent AU$6000 on my graphics cards and screens ... for the sole purpose of playing this game.

Since parting with that pile of cash I have had abysmal (or non-existent) SLI support, the complete dropping of 3-screen support and now this driver disaster.

So many people whined and whined about DX10 not being good enough ... well for me DX11 has delivered a 60% drop in frame rate, constant freezes, crashes to desktop, spontaneous reboots and no visible improvements at all.

 

All I expect for the huge amount of money I have paid to the two parties concerned (1CGS and nVidia) is that one or both of them take some ownership of these issues and demonstrate that they give a shit by providing a timeline for a fix.

 

 

For me, rolling back to 368.81 has stopped the crashes but the game only uses one of my graphics cards resulting in rather poor frame rates. I'd just assign the other to PhysX but BoX doesn't appear to use it. I could go out and buy a 1080Ti now for about AU$1200 but as someone else already pointed out, the next update could similarly render that upgrade useless and my existing cards (which cost AU$1500 each 2 years ago) play any other gold title flawlessly at over 100FPS all while rendering to 3 2560x1440 screens. Why the hell should I throw away more money when I still haven't received what I already paid for.

Edited April 14, 2017 by Dave

[Jaws2002]

I recently updated my driver, for other tasks and sure enough, today when I tried Il-2 it crashed.

 

Well. No problem. I'm waiting for the Gigabyte Aorus GeForce GTX 1080 Ti Xtreme Edition to hit the shelves here in Canada. 

My 780 served me well and survived a bunch of overclocking adventures. Time for a replacement.

 

BTW. I may replace more stuff in my box. Was thinking to upgrade the CPU to 7700k and get a new Gigabyte Z-270 motherboard. 

Anyone of you guys have experience with this series of Gigabyte Aorus motherboards? 

I had mostly Asus mobos and in the last three upgrades EVGA graphics cards, but with the last two upgrades, I had both the motherboard and the graphics card die on me. And this were not low end products that died. I had an Asus Sabertooth die on me and kill my cpu as well and two of my last four EVGA graphics cards had issues.

 I always heard good things about gigabyte. Some of my friends swear by them, saying that gigabyte used better quality capacitors in their products, so this time I'm thinking to go all Gigabyte.

Anyone has any experience with this new Gigabyte mobos? 

Edited April 16, 2017 by Jaws2002

[Gambit21]

Nothing special about Gigabyte, they're as hit and miss as anyone depending on the cycle/product...and not impressed with the 1080 reviews from them.

Every round there is a different winner. With the 900 series it was MSI, this time it's EVGA and another which is slipping my mind at the moment...but it wasn't Gigabyte.

 

I'm also not impressed with Gigabytes's Ryzen Mobo reviews - out of the running completely.

Edited April 16, 2017 by Gambit21

[Dave]

One thing wrt graphics cards and build quality. I switched from ASUS to EVGA a few years ago and have found the EVGA cards to be superior in my own limited experience. In this assessment I am referring to the EVGA cards running cooler and without ever having a single hardware-related stability issue. I have two of the EVGA Titan Black cards side-by-side with no heating issues. My previous ASUS cards suffered from capacitor failures.

 

One point to note about the 1080Ti is that the Founders Edition, while not overclocked by the "manufacturers" is actually made by nVidia. As such the components and board layout are reported to be of the highest quality and with previous generations (known as Reference cards) they have been reliably and  stably overclocked beyond the speeds of "gamer" factory-overclocks.

 

I will be picking up a pair of 1080Ti founders Tuesday. I finally caved - I am just so sick of the 780 series crashes.

[Jaws2002]

 I was sticking with EVGA for video cards since the GTX285, that came with life time warranty and step up program. That means in the first six months after you bought your card, if something better came along, you could just "step up". Basically you can just send them your card, pay the difference and they will send you the next version.

 I had two EVGA cards burn on me and one was dead right  out of the box. Now their warranty is just basic, so this time i decided to go to someone else, specially since Gigabyte has four year warranty on their top card.

 

 I was looking at the basic founders version and i just don't like the basic cooler. It's too noisy and runs hotter than it should, so your card reaches maximum allowed temperature and it will throttle down. 

 The Gigabyte flagship comes with three big fans and three pounds of heatsink and in most tests i've seen it doesn't even hit 75 degrees Celsius. On top of that it's aggressively overclocked from the factory and it allows higher voltage if you want to overclock it even furher.

   All that comes at just $50 over the basic price. Overclocked card, that allows you to overclock it even further and with four years of warranty.

I'm just not a fan of the basic cooler. If you have water cooling, then yes. Basic card will work better for you.

[Dave]

I get what you're saying but 3 points maybe need to be made:

 

1) The Founders Edition isn't a "basic" card. It is the nVidia-made reference card with your vendor of choice's sticker on it. The components are typically better quality than the vendor's own cards;

 

2) I think you'll find that your 4 year warranty is void as soon as your clock the card beyond the factory overclock; and

 

3) The nVidia designed cooling solution found on the 1080Ti reference cards uses vapour chamber (phase change) cooling which is superior to using a few fans to push air over a solid heatsink.

[ZachariasX]

Dave, switching my Titan (the "original" one) to a 1080 gave me almost twice the FPS. I switched it because Prepar3d with a couple of addons lets the FPS drop well below 30. I am glad that I switched that 780 series card before this mess came up. The 1080 works well with IL-2.

 

But take home message is, unless it is a mainstream game, NVidia will only look with their butt at driver issues. It took Prepar3d about 10 years to get working SLI.

 

You never invest in the hardware of your rig. You burn money doing so. ("Sunk costs are not sunk if you are the one who sunk them." )

 

All efforts for SLI to work that I've come across were of experimental nature at best. Maybe 30% increase in framerate (heavily depending on the game as well as settings) with an increased chance of microstutters.

 

NVidia even toned down to only support dual SLI. It shows that high end SLI was not much more than a promo stunt to cheat for unobtainable benchmark scores. Plus: Intel (for their own benefit) neuters most of their CPUs to 16 PCIe lanes connecting to the GPU, meaning that unless you have a 2011(-v3) mobo, you'd have only 8 lanes left per GPU. No having all this GPU power and about 20 Gb of VRAM and then choke that with only 8 lanes is stupid.

 

Long story short, NVidia will only adress mainstream issues. If you are not mainstream (spending 6k for a rig is not mainstream), for them it makes no sense to help you, no matter what you have paid. If they allowed 80% of their customer support serving that 1% of client base alone, I'm sure someone would get fired over at NVidia. But sure enough they love us for burning all that extra money.

[Jaws2002]

I get what you're saying but 3 points maybe need to be made:

 

1) The Founders Edition isn't a "basic" card. It is the nVidia-made reference card with your vendor of choice's sticker on it. The components are typically better quality than the vendor's own cards;

 

2) I think you'll find that your 4 year warranty is void as soon as your clock the card beyond the factory overclock; and

 

3) The nVidia designed cooling solution found on the 1080Ti reference cards uses vapour chamber (phase change) cooling which is superior to using a few fans to push air over a solid heatsink.

 

Thanks for your input. 

From what i understand the Nvidia designed blower is better for tighter cases and for SLI, because it blows the air out of the case. I had just one SLI setup and was a pain in the butt. I'm not interested in that anymore. 

  You may be right about the parts quality. I really don't know.

 I'll have to check the forums see if overclocking voids Gigabyte warranty. EVGA was good in that respect. One card I burned was replaced right the way with no questions asked. Was that foot long GTX590.  I fried that sucker chasing framerates.   I restart the system after a failed overclock and i see artifacts in bios. "It was at this point, Jaws knew......He f*ked up." 

Edited April 17, 2017 by Jaws2002

[Dave]

Thanks for the info Zacharias. I might start with a single 1080Ti and see how that goes.

The main reason I bough ta pair the last two times was that you only get a short timeframe in which to obtain two identical cards.

At least this time I'll be buying the first at the start of a release cycle.

 

Regarding SLI, I have noticed a marked improvement over single GPU over the course of 3 SLI rigs. In each case enabling SLI made the difference between stuttering and smooth rendering. So far only BoX has sucked for me wrt SLI. Previously I played the ARMA series where SLI drastically improved render speed. For the brief periods that I was able to use SLI with BoX on DX10 it made the game playable on ultra settings as opposed to sub-40 frame rates.

One major reason I seem to need SLI is my screen resolution - 7680x1440. But I will try a single 1080Ti and see if it cuts it. Honestly, I'd love to get that other PCIe slot back for PhysX. I was hoping to never need SLI again with the advent of consumer VR but alas the resolutions and FOV for currently shipping hardware are still unacceptably low for me.

 

At least my Titans won't be a total waste - they will go into one of my dev machines as CUDA devices.

 

PS: I have a 2011v3 mobo with support for 4 way SLI at 8 lanes per card or 2 way SLI at 16 lanes per card. I spent $500 on it specifically for PCIe 3.0 SLI support.

Edited April 17, 2017 by Dave

[ZachariasX]

So you got the right hardware. But as said, SLI requires a lot of extra work to run nicely. And NVidia only invests this kind of work in mainstream games. For flight sims, having a dedicated GPU for a specific monitor is often a better solution than SLI.

 

I find still less risk in "overspending" at a single powerful GPU being less risk than putting several GPUs together. Or you can start out with one GPU and it you still feel like more, go for a second and let yourself surprise how much you get for your money. In all cases you need 2011-v3 sockets. The rest is for much smaller fry.

 

Generally, I find it apalling that even high end CPUs basically only support one GPU with 16 lanes. No wonder the PC is dead. Intel and Mircrosoft do their very best to ensure that.

[Dave]

So, while I was waiting for my graphics cards to be retrieved from the warehouse, I read a couple of benchmark reviews comparing 1080Ti with 2 x 1080Ti SLI.

 

The findings presented were that in at least 50% of cases the SLI configuration gave LOWER framerates than the single GPU for DX11 titles. The situation was also pretty bad for DX12 except for those few cases where the game developers had specifically targeted NVidia SLI - in which case the SLI configuration provided between 60% and 90% performance gains over the single GPU.

 

Given that positive gains were only realised with the devs specifically targeting SLI and the history of GPU support for BoX I decided to save $1100 and bought a single 1080Ti. If framerates are inadequate I will just have to find another game.

[Jaws2002]

 This evening I just changed my GTX 780 for a Gigabyte Aorus GeForce GTX 1080 Ti. I couldn't find the "Xtreme" version of it anywhere, so i just got the next one down.

 This one: http://ca.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-N108TAORUS-11GD#kf .Same monster cooler only overclocked from the factory at lower speeds. 

It turned out to be a good idea. This thing is boosting to 2000 Mhz in 'gaming mode" and to 2050 in "overclocked" mode.

Had no time to manually overclock it. 

 At my resolution (2560x1440) I don't see games that won't run smooth as butter.

[FuriousMeow]

I gave up on nVidia fixing the drivers for the 780Ti, which is unfortunate since I'm running them in SLI - but maybe I can sell them for something, and picked up the Aorus 1080Ti which will arrive next week. The Extreme edition was like 200MHz faster and offered only a slightly larger copper backplate for $30 more which really didn't seem worth waiting on them to get in stock and paying more for.

 

Elite Dangerous has been crashing on me after short periods of play as well since whatever nVidia did a few driver sets ago, so went with the upgrade.

 

If you go with the Aorus, I've seen many people say to shy away from the Gigabyte software and just go with MSI Afterburner. Apparently some issues with the Gigabyte software. Just FYI to anyone else going with the Aorus.

Edited April 22, 2017 by FuriousMeow

[Jaws2002]

I gave up on nVidia fixing the drivers for the 780Ti, which is unfortunate since I'm running them in SLI - but maybe I can sell them for something, and picked up the Aorus 1080Ti which will arrive next week. The Extreme edition was like 200MHz faster and offered only a slightly larger copper backplate for $30 more which really didn't seem worth waiting on them to get in stock and paying more for.

 

Elite Dangerous has been crashing on me after short periods of play as well since whatever nVidia did a few driver sets ago, so went with the upgrade.

 

If you go with the Aorus, I've seen many people say to shy away from the Gigabyte software and just go with MSI Afterburner. Apparently some issues with the Gigabyte software. Just FYI to anyone else going with the Aorus.

Gamer's Nexus tested the impact on performance and temperature of the copper back plate on the "Xtreme" card and that copper piece turned out to be just marketing trick.

They found the temperature and

performance virtually identical with the copper piece on or off the card.

http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2881-gigabyte-gtx-1080-ti-aorus-xtreme-review-benchmarks

 

So I'm sure we are not going to miss much having a smaller piece.

 

BTW. Thanks for the heads up with the Aorus software.

Edited April 22, 2017 by Jaws2002

[Ala13_knightcrow]

New driver.. and no news regarding our issue...

 

I've just posted this "https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1005236/geforce-drivers/official-381-89-game-ready-whql-display-driver-feedback-thread-released-4-25-17-/7/?offset=95#5135355"

 

 

 

We don't see any update on the problem with Nvidia drivers for GTX780 owners who love il-2 Battle of Stalingrad making this flight sim to crash to desktop, for anybody who dares to update NVIDIA drivers to anything newer than 368.81. It's 4 months we've been waiting for a little of customers care...

I'm looking forward to hearing something from Nvidia regarding this issue,
Ala13_Knightcrow

 

 

Kind regards, ...

Ala13_Knightcrow

Edited April 25, 2017 by Ala13_knightcrow

[Grancesc]

The new driver 381.89 creates in my configuration the same problems as all other versions since 368.81. It is a shame how nVIDIA behaves in this regard.

[ST_ami7b5]

The new driver 381.89 creates in my configuration the same problems as all other versions since 368.81. It is a shame how nVIDIA behaves in this regard.

Same here.

Still waiting for a further reply from NVidia support after I've sent them all info they asked for.

[FuriousMeow]

The 1080Ti is amazing. I had 780Tis in SLI, and they still can't come close to the 1080Ti. Of course I'm not sure if there was a functional SLI DX11 profile for BoS, so maybe it was single card but the 1080Ti blows away 780Ti SLI in other games.

 

I'm getting no less than 110fps at 1440p with 4x FSAA and distant grass on using Ultra and the new SSAO implementation with 8 bombers (He111 or Ju88) against 8 fighters. Before I was getting less than half that, especially when getting in close.

 

DX11 definitely helped there, no doubt, but the 1080Ti is most likely the one putting it's rendering power to use when closing in on bomber formations - no fps drops at all.

 

I'm using the nVidia drivers plus the Gigabyte OC GuruII to manage overclock and a manual fan setting - which it's been less noisy than my case fans so that's good.

 

Not trying to crap on anyone sticking with the 780Ti, just saying it might be time for an upgrade.