Calling 780's owners to find a real solution to update 2006 and NVIDIA drivers

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Caved and upgraded to a 1070 FTW.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Caved and upgraded to a 1070 FTW.

 

Enjoy it you will.

[Bubbled]

Caved and upgraded to a 1070 FTW.

if you need to upgrade a video card of 300 €, before I do I make money from steam. In requirements does not say that the video card nvidia gtx 780 is not compatible with the game.

Edited March 9, 2017 by Bubbled

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

if you need to upgrade a video card of 300 €, before I do I make money from steam. In requirements does not say that the video card nvidia gtx 780 is not compatible with the game.

 

OK?

 

Should they say the STG2000 is not compatible?

Should they say that the Voodoo2 isn't compatible?

Should they say the GeForce 256 isn't compatible?

What about the GeForce FX 5800?

 

Does any game developer make lists of which hardware their game is not compatible with..?

 

Aside from that, you should really be asking NVidia to publish a statement that their drivers aren't compatible with BOS.

Edited March 9, 2017 by Space_Ghost

[SYN_Mike77]

Caved and upgraded to a 1070 FTW.

That card eats up BoX! with sync on I have a rock solid 60fps. With it off I get 120-130 but some tearing, so 60 it is! Besides, no one has ever explained what having a higher rate than your screen can handle does for me.

[Gambit21]

780 doing fine but with a 1440p monitor coming sooner than I thought - I'm pulling the trigger on a 1080 soon. Thought about a 1070, but I want as much overhead as possible. Plus I have some big 3D projects coming up and I want all the texture memory that I can get.

 

I would rather get one of the newer batch with the upgraded memory however. Not sure when those are going to hit. Anyone have any insight on that? I'm not talking about the ti.

[FuriousMeow]

Volta with GDDR6 maybe later this year. HBM2 may show up, but don't hold your breath.

[Grancesc]

Game crashes are still there with the newly released driver version 378.78. It is a shame that nVIDIA is unable to solved the problems with their GTX780 cards.

[Bubbled]

Game crashes are still there with the newly released driver version 378.78. It is a shame that nVIDIA is unable to solved the problems with their GTX780 cards.

I just ask for a refund of the money

[Bubbled]

hello to everyone, perhaps good news.

I found on the nvidia forum (where you also talked about driver issues for them BOS) a name ManuelGuzman programmer who said that in the next release of the drivers we should be correcting the problem for the 2 - bos.

I am attaching the site https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/983359/geforce-drivers/the-problem-with-drivers-starting-with-372-64-on-flight-simulators-/2/

[Dave]

I have recently come back to BoS after a few months off and have had the same issues described above.

 

One difference is I am using a pair of GTX Titan Blacks. These are very similar to the 780 (iirc the 780 was released shortly after the Titan and borrowed heavily from it).

[Grancesc]

 

hello to everyone, perhaps good news.

I found on the nvidia forum (where you also talked about driver issues for them BOS) a name ManuelGuzman programmer who said that in the next release of the drivers we should be correcting the problem for the 2 - bos.

I am attaching the site https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/983359/geforce-drivers/the-problem-with-drivers-starting-with-372-64-on-flight-simulators-/2/

 

 

These are indeed good news. Thanks Bubbled.

[Ala13_knightcrow]

 

hello to everyone, perhaps good news.

I found on the nvidia forum (where you also talked about driver issues for them BOS) a name ManuelGuzman programmer who said that in the next release of the drivers we should be correcting the problem for the 2 - bos.

I am attaching the site https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/983359/geforce-drivers/the-problem-with-drivers-starting-with-372-64-on-flight-simulators-/2/

 

 

This message gives me hopes... good expectations... thx and... I'll be looking forward to hearing more about this

 

Kind regards,

Ala13_knightcrow

[Bubbled]

;)

 

We hope and we stay in waiting!!!   

[RobCarter3]

While running outdated drivers is not ideal, the 368.81 drivers would be a workable solution if Windows 10 would stop constantly auto-updating to the latest drivers! It even updates my drivers mid-game which BSODs my computer! None of the methods I've researched to prevent updates work on Windows 10 Home. Does anyone know a way that I can play with 368.81 undisturbed until the promised Nvidia fix comes in?

[Apache600]

@ Rob.  I had that problem for a while too!  It was so annoying.  I finally beat it by uninstalling and deleting all the Nvidia drivers (save for 368.81)  and then going into the settings and disabling the auto-updater.     Unfortunately, I can't remember all the places I searched for these settings.  Check everything possible with the Nvidia control tabs, but I also think remembering going into Windows Control panel and finding something too.  

[yeikov]

It is a nightmare to go back to an old driver in the latest versions of Windows 10. The options to prevent auto-update don't work anymore (for me at least), MS now tells you to go to your Device Manager, open the graphics adapter properties and select "Roll back driver". Bad thing is, this option was only available once to me, reverting only to the immediately previous driver. So I had to do a number of combinations of:

- roll back

- remove device in Device Manager (selecting the checkbox to completely remove it from your PC)

- reboot

- let Windows install its driver automatically (I could not prevent it anyway). 

- Roll back again (if available) or remove device (if not) and repeat again.

 

(I don't remember if this was the exact sequence, but it was some combination of these steps)

 

This until the version installed by Windows was 368.81 or previous. Then I could manually install driver 368.81 from the NVIDIA installer without Windows updating it. I recommend to install it from the NVIDIA installer even if the "rolled back" Windows version says it is also 368.81. The Windows driver did not let me open the NVIDIA Control Panel, for instance.

 

I hope there is an easier or simpler way to do this that I just did not find...

Hope you get it to work

Edited March 16, 2017 by yeikov

[mort]

As I mentioned previously in this thread the instructions from MS linked below worked for me. I had installed the older driver from Nvidia and once I figured out it was Windows Update that upgraded, I was able to follow the instructions below and it's been fine since.

 

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/3073930/how-to-temporarily-prevent-a-driver-update-from-reinstalling-in-windows-10

 

Summarizing what worked for me, starting from after Windows Update has upgraded from the working older manually installed working Nvidia driver state, rollback from the properties page opened via device manager, download and run the app linked in the page above, select the let me choose what updates to block, select the nvidia driver, hit ok or apply or whatever confirms your choice and closes it, and you're done.

[Grancesc]

The newest driver version 378.92 still generates crashes with my PC configuration.

That's the error message I get:

 

D3D_ERROR

   DXBufferMan11::vb(..)

   DXGI_ERROR_DEVICE_REMOVED

 

What about with you?

[kendo]

It is a nightmare to go back to an old driver in the latest versions of Windows 10. The options to prevent auto-update don't work anymore (for me at least), MS now tells you to go to your Device Manager, open the graphics adapter properties and select "Roll back driver". Bad thing is, this option was only available once to me, reverting only to the immediately previous driver. So I had to do a number of combinations of:

- roll back

- remove device in Device Manager (selecting the checkbox to completely remove it from your PC)

- reboot

- let Windows install its driver automatically (I could not prevent it anyway). 

- Roll back again (if available) or remove device (if not) and repeat again.

 

(I don't remember if this was the exact sequence, but it was some combination of these steps)

 

This until the version installed by Windows was 368.81 or previous. Then I could manually install driver 368.81 from the NVIDIA installer without Windows updating it. I recommend to install it from the NVIDIA installer even if the "rolled back" Windows version says it is also 368.81. The Windows driver did not let me open the NVIDIA Control Panel, for instance.

 

I hope there is an easier or simpler way to do this that I just did not find...

Hope you get it to work

 

If you are using wi-fi you can set it to 'metered' in Windows 10 wi-fi settings. Then on Settings > Devices >  you can uncheck the 'Download over metered connections' box to prevent driver updates.

 

For uninstalling and clean installs I recommend the nVidia Geforce Tweak Guide:

 

http://www.tweakguides.com/NVFORCE_3.html

 

I used the manual method listed towards the bottom of the page to install a gtx1060 recently and it worked well. Seems long and involved but it's straightforward if you just follow the steps.

[Gambit21]

Just looked at user benchmarks 780 vs 1070 and 780 vs 1080.

 

 

1080 111% faster than the 780 vs 64% faster than the 780 for the 1070. For another $160 or so.

My choice is clear it seems.

[Apache600]

yikes!  That's a massive improvement.   I just don't want to have to buy another card ... this one "would" run fine if not for the drivers.   

However, I haven't played any new titles that require new drivers.  Does the new Ghost Recon, or other games, bog down with the 780 showing its age?

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

yikes!  That's a massive improvement.   I just don't want to have to buy another card ... this one "would" run fine if not for the drivers.   

 

However, I haven't played any new titles that require new drivers.  Does the new Ghost Recon, or other games, bog down with the 780 showing its age?

 

Just built a rig with a 1080 FTW for a buddy and that new For Honor game is pegging him at around 60FPS at max settings + supersampling @ 1080p 144Hz.

 

It all comes down to how nice you want the game to look. You could play For Honor at 1080p on medium (presumably) and be alright.

 

I, however, tend to prefer maxing things out so like everything else YMMV.

[Chaka]

The newest driver version 378.92 still generates crashes with my PC configuration.

That's the error message I get:

 

D3D_ERROR

   DXBufferMan11::vb(..)

   DXGI_ERROR_DEVICE_REMOVED

 

What about with you?

 

 

 Yep got the same error after 2 minutes of flying. The new drivers have not fixed it.

[Gambit21]

Going from a 780 to a 1080 will be the exact same jump more or less as when I upgraded from a 580 to the 780 - huge.

 

I've tried to talk myself into the 1070, and it's hard to fault that card...but dollar for dollar the 1080 is just the better value. If I get the 1070 I'll wish I'd gotten the 1080 sooner or later.

 

The 780 was THE sweet spot when I got it. Overclocked it benches like a stock 980. It was a no-brainer - the 980 just didn't pencil out. I'm not finding that to be the case this time around with the equivalent cards. Seems that with the price drop especially, the 1080 is the sweet spot, and the 1080ti is the bleeding edge unjustifiable splurge. YMMV depending on needs and resources of course.

 

1070 is solid - just that you're SO close to the price of 1080.

 

The 1080 will drop my slush fund down more than I'd like...but it's happening.

[RobCarter3]

The newest driver version 378.92 still generates crashes with my PC configuration.

That's the error message I get:

 

D3D_ERROR

   DXBufferMan11::vb(..)

   DXGI_ERROR_DEVICE_REMOVED

 

What about with you?

 

 

 Yep got the same error after 2 minutes of flying. The new drivers have not fixed it.

 

 

I came straight here when I saw the 378.92 update. I guess we've got to keep raising hell with Nvidia. :/

 

 

@ Rob.  I had that problem for a while too!  It was so annoying.  I finally beat it by uninstalling and deleting all the Nvidia drivers (save for 368.81)  and then going into the settings and disabling the auto-updater.     Unfortunately, I can't remember all the places I searched for these settings.  Check everything possible with the Nvidia control tabs, but I also think remembering going into Windows Control panel and finding something too.  

 

It is a nightmare to go back to an old driver in the latest versions of Windows 10. The options to prevent auto-update don't work anymore (for me at least), MS now tells you to go to your Device Manager, open the graphics adapter properties and select "Roll back driver". Bad thing is, this option was only available once to me, reverting only to the immediately previous driver. So I had to do a number of combinations of:

- roll back

- remove device in Device Manager (selecting the checkbox to completely remove it from your PC)

- reboot

- let Windows install its driver automatically (I could not prevent it anyway). 

- Roll back again (if available) or remove device (if not) and repeat again.

 

(I don't remember if this was the exact sequence, but it was some combination of these steps)

 

This until the version installed by Windows was 368.81 or previous. Then I could manually install driver 368.81 from the NVIDIA installer without Windows updating it. I recommend to install it from the NVIDIA installer even if the "rolled back" Windows version says it is also 368.81. The Windows driver did not let me open the NVIDIA Control Panel, for instance.

 

I hope there is an easier or simpler way to do this that I just did not find...

Hope you get it to work

 

If you are using wi-fi you can set it to 'metered' in Windows 10 wi-fi settings. Then on Settings > Devices >  you can uncheck the 'Download over metered connections' box to prevent driver updates.

 

For uninstalling and clean installs I recommend the nVidia Geforce Tweak Guide:

 

http://www.tweakguides.com/NVFORCE_3.html

 

I used the manual method listed towards the bottom of the page to install a gtx1060 recently and it worked well. Seems long and involved but it's straightforward if you just follow the steps.

 

Thank you for all the advice. I can't set as a metered connection because I use a wired connection.

 

Don't worry, the auto-updates don't stop me from playing, I just have to go through a ~ 10 minute ritual of clean drivers -> reinstall 368.81 from nvidia installer -> re-enable SLI -> change monitor refresh rate before I can fly.

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

My choice is clear it seems.

 

Which one would you choose with my local prices:

 

GTX 1060: 390 USD  (6 Gb)

 

GTX 1070: 640 USD

 

GTX 1080: 1000 USD

Edited March 20, 2017 by -=PHX=-SuperEtendard

[Gambit21]

That's tough - with the 1060 you're getting maybe a 17% gain...that's not enough for $390.

 

$640 get's you a 60% gain...that's still a lot of money.

 

1070 I suppose, if you can do it without it hurting.

Otherwise I'd watch for a used card.

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

Sorry, I meant in general, not coming from a 780 (I have currently a GT 630)

[Gambit21]

Ahh...well that 1060 will be a massive improvement for you. 

In light of this I'd think twice about spending more than that unless like I said, it won't hurt.

[fdswer]

Which one would you choose with my local prices:

 

GTX 1060: 390 USD  (6 Gb)

 

GTX 1070: 640 USD

 

GTX 1080: 1000 USD

 

 

 

 

 

GTX 1080 for 1000 USD man thats crazy my local shop in canada has them for 750 CAD and the TI are 1000 thats like 1300USD I think

Edited March 21, 2017 by fdswer

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Which one would you choose with my local prices:

 

GTX 1060: 390 USD  (6 Gb)

 

GTX 1070: 640 USD

 

GTX 1080: 1000 USD

 

Man... That's killer. :/

 

The 1070 and 1080 are the only worthwhile jump.

[Gambit21]

The 1060 is a huge leap over his 630, and a marginal improvement over the 780.

Even the 780 is a big improvement over the 630.

 

It's a rough price structure, but he'll see massive gains with the 1060 over his current card.

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

Does the 1070 have 65% or more performance than the 1060? Just to compare it to the price difference. I have a 1080p monitor at 75-80 Hz, so I think a 1060 would be enough (not planning to upgrade the monitor anytime soon), but yeah the 1070 would give me more "lifespan" in terms of competitiveness, that's why I was interested in it in the first place... but with that price gap I guess the 1060 will be the best choice for me.

 

 

GTX 1080 for 1000 USD man thats crazy my local shop in canada has them for 750 CAD and the TI are 1000 thats like 1300USD I think

 

Man... That's killer. :/

 

Yep... technology stuff was always expensive here, mostly due to transport costs I guess. The government recently deleted import taxes (it was 35%) for pc and pc parts to help the situation, but the prices at the stores only went down around 10% so yeah not that much of an improvement... guess someone in the middle of the supply chain just kept that as extra profit for themselves, instead of passing the lower price all the way to the customers (which would generate more sales). But well... capitalism I suppose? -.-

Edited March 22, 2017 by -=PHX=-SuperEtendard

[Gambit21]

1070 vs 1060 = 40% gain according to user benchmarks. You have to draw that line somewhere though - I feel your dilemma.

[Bubbled]

It wants to tell manuel guzman (programmer nvidia) that the latest update nvidia has not produced the desired results for Il2 - BOS.

I do not make me go to nvidia site for comment.

attaching the link to connect to the forum.

 

 

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/983359/geforce-drivers/the-problem-with-drivers-starting-with-372-64-on-flight-simulators-/2/

[coconut]

The newest driver version 378.92 still generates crashes with my PC configuration.

That's the error message I get:

 

D3D_ERROR

   DXBufferMan11::vb(..)

   DXGI_ERROR_DEVICE_REMOVED

 

What about with you?

 

An error message is actually an improvement over a crash. If I understood the situation correctly, the driver would previously corrupt the game's data in memory, causing it to crash. Now it sends a status to the game instead, giving a chance to recover from it. Hopefully the next version of the game, and if not that one then the one after that will fix the problem.

Edited March 22, 2017 by coconut

[FuriousMeow]

No, that error message has been there. It has nothing to do with the game, it is entirely nVidia's drivers.

[Ala13_knightcrow]

I've just read this from NVIDIA's forum "https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/983359/geforce-drivers/the-problem-with-drivers-starting-with-372-64-on-flight-simulators-/post/5113704/#5113704"

 

 

 

Does it mean we will have to wait until 379.* ?

Next driver branch will be R380. If any 379.xx driver is released, it will still be from the current R378 branch.

 

So it's seems that we will have to wait for yet a long time...

[Jaws2002]

Which one would you choose with my local prices:

 

GTX 1060: 390 USD  (6 Gb)

 

GTX 1070: 640 USD

 

GTX 1080: 1000 USD

 

 

Man you get ripped off down there. This month Nvidia dropped the prices dramatically  here in US/Canada.

Can't you find a way to order from a US online retailer?  Some of them ship all over the planet. Right now, In US, you could get a gtx1080 starting around 500 USD.

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=gtx+1080&ignorear=0&N=-1&isNodeId=1

Edited March 25, 2017 by Jaws2002