BF 110, Forgive a noob question...

[sammydee]

Just bought and downloaded BoS. I love it my wife hates it, she hasn't seen me for the last two days! I don't have the BF 110 as a choice of aircraft so I am searching General Discussion to see what the score is. I went to the Store to see if I could buy it but it isn't listed there. So does it get made available at some time?

[Plurp]

It is included when you buy Battle of Moscow

[Dakpilot]

And also a later version (G2) will come with BoK early access, predicted for + - Jan 2017 as second aircraft released, 109 G4 is already out

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Yakdriver]

i look forward to  what wiki calls "typical" weapons set:

 

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Bf_110

Bewaffnung:

• typisch: zwei 30-mm-MK 108 im Rumpfbug oben, darunter zwei 20-mm-MG 151/20, ein bewegliches 7,92-mm-Zwillings-MG MG 81 Z im Kanzelheck
• optional: unter dem Rumpf zwei weitere MG 151, Träger für zwei Bomben je 500 kg oder eine 3,7-cm-Bordkanone BK 3,7 (dabei Wegfall der beiden unteren MG 151); unter den Tragflächen zwei Zusatztanks, vier Startrohre für 21-cm-Luft-Luft-Raketen oder zwei Träger für Bomben bis 250 kg bzw Spezialmunition

Brings back memories of the Groundcrew BF-110... for CFS3,
That one had a G2/R2 variant if memory serves well, in which the 2x30 were replaced by 2x20 (- MG-FF or 151/20 i do not recall.)
Imagine 4x20 in the nose... + 2 under the belly.
Bring on the PE-8...

Edited December 26, 2016 by Yakdriver

[sammydee]

Thanks to all of you for your answers. 

[7.GShAP/Silas]

And also a later version (G2) will come with BoK early access, predicted for + - Jan 2017 as second aircraft released, 109 G4 is already out

 

Cheers Dakpilot

 

 

Would that one be useable in the BOS timeframe?

[[CPT]Pike*HarryM]

Entered service in 1942 so good fit for BoS.

[Dakpilot]

Lazy today 

 

The Bf 110G-2 entered front line service in January 1943 on the Russian front. Its first combat experience came in the aftermath of the fall of Stalingrad. Zerstörer units played an important role in slowing down the Russian advance in early 1943, acting as a ground attack aircraft

 

 

The first unit to receive the Bf 110G-2 was I./ZG 1, then based in the Donetz bend, close to Rostov. Soon after arriving in Russia the 110G was rushed into action against Russian tanks moving west from Stalingrad. The aircraft helped to stem the Russian attack, but at heavy cost.

 

Not sure how accurate

 

Cheers Dakpilot

Edited December 26, 2016 by Dakpilot

[7.GShAP/Silas]

Thanks!

[=EXPEND=CG_Justin]

As a dedicated Zerstörer-pilot I can only recommend:Buy it,you will not regret it!Although your wife might file for divorcement then!

 

I so badly want to try it. Had I known I didn't have to buy BoS first I would opted to get BoM back during the October sale just for the Bf110. Now I have to wait for the Bf110G in BoK.   <----sad face.

 

I still cant believe I won the raffle for BoK.

Edited December 27, 2016 by II./ZG1_CG_Justin

[JG4_Sputnik]

Sale is still going on...

[1./KG4_Blackwolf]

Better grab it while it's on sale.

Edited December 27, 2016 by Blackwolf

[ShamrockOneFive]

Yep! The sale is on again and Battle of Moscow is a great addition!

[LLv24_SukkaVR]

I love it my wife hates it

 

I had a friend once, we flew a lot together and one day his wife got so angry with his gaming that she said she leaves him (my friend), after that my friend sold all his equipment and i've never seen him since.

 

I said this as a warning, remind that you should also give time to your partner 

Edited December 30, 2016 by BiD_NahkaSukka

[Yogiflight]

Yeah, buy her the game and let her fly as your gunner.

[ShamrockOneFive]

I had a friend once, we flew a lot together and one day his wife got so angry with his gaming that she said she leaves him (my friend), after that my friend sold all his equipment and i've never seen him since.

 

I said this as a warning, remind that you should also give time to your partner

Sounds like their relationship had some issues that go beyond a couple of hours of gaming... Partners should be supportive of non destructive habits. Also everyone should have a hobby

[=EXPEND=CG_Justin]

Sounds like their relationship had some issues that go beyond a couple of hours of gaming... Partners should be supportive of non destructive habits. Also everyone should have a hobby

 

I guess my wife sees it like this: At least I'm not at the bar drinking beer, I'm home drinking beer and playing my "game".

 

But, truth be told, when she's home we spend as much time together as we can.

Edited December 30, 2016 by II./ZG1_CG_Justin

[Sgt_Joch]

I picked up BOM a month ago and have been learning how to fly the ME 110, amazing AC if flown properly.

 

I have a few questions:

 

1. what does the "reload all guns" key do? when I press it, I see the ammo counter goes down, but my forward firing guns do not seem to have more ammo. Is that just for the tail gunner?

 

2. There is supposed to be a "propeller feathering" setting if you wish to turn off one engine. How exactly does one map this?  

[Dakpilot]

Reload is for when manning the rear gunner position

 

See here for some info on feathering Post #54

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/19498-bf-110-e-2-cockpit-guide-and-engine-operation-notes/page-2

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Sgt_Joch]

ok, got it:

 

1. switch common engine control off = 0

2. select engine 1 or 2 = 1 or 2

3. feather prop = ctrl+f

 

actually flies well with 1 engine, now off to practice landing with one engine.... 

 

 

 

edit: well that is fun, one engine provides more than enough power for landings. You just have to be careful not to lower your flaps too quickly.

Edited December 30, 2016 by Sgt_Joch

[LukeFF]

1. what does the "reload all guns" key do? when I press it, I see the ammo counter goes down, but my forward firing guns do not seem to have more ammo. Is that just for the tail gunner?

 

 

Reload is for when manning the rear gunner position

 

It's for reloading the forward-firing MG-FF/M cannons. The extra drums were stored in the gunner's compartment. 

Edited December 30, 2016 by LukeFF

[Sgt_Joch]

another question, what do the two lights below the turn-and-bank indicator indicate?

 

they are always off, but on a recent MP mission on the Random Expert server, both were turned on for part of the mission.

 

[SvAF/F19_Tomten]

I was thinking.. As of now, I can use the Pe2, to hunt down Bf 110, but will the G2 be able to swish these roles around? I mean, it was made for hunting down (heavy) bombers. Basically how will they compare?

[ShamrockOneFive]

I was thinking.. As of now, I can use the Pe2, to hunt down Bf 110, but will the G2 be able to swish these roles around? I mean, it was made for hunting down (heavy) bombers. Basically how will they compare?

 

You use the Pe-2 to hunt Bf110s? I would think it would be the other way around. The Pe-3bis would be better at that role...

 

The Bf110E-2 to G-2 is an increase in firepower (MG151/20 replaces MG-FF/M) along with optional MG151/20 gondola or BK3,7 37mm cannon along with more powerful engines (DB605 vs DB601). I'm sure other folks know more details but its basically a more powerful and more refined Bf110. Should be pretty good as an attacker as well as a bomber hunter when employed correctly.

[Trinkof]

110 g2 will also be something like 30-40 km/h faster than the E.

 

If I am correct pe2 and 110e have roughly the same top speed low for now.

 

Having flown both, I would say the 110e aleady outperform the pe2 exept in roll rate... The g2 will be even better.

 

110 is actually quite dangerous in the right hands, and with an adequate height advantage and good SA can even be a potent fighter. I bet we will see real g2 aces when it will be there.

[Yogiflight]

Hi Sgt_Joch,

the 110 had two front and two rear tanks. The engines got their fuel only from the front tanks. When they got empty, the pilot had to pump fuel from the rear tanks into the front tanks, here in the game, this works automatically. Those white lights show, when the fuel pumps are working that pump the fuel from the rear to front tanks.

[Sgt_Joch]

Hi Sgt_Joch,

the 110 had two front and two rear tanks. The engines got their fuel only from the front tanks. When they got empty, the pilot had to pump fuel from the rear tanks into the front tanks, here in the game, this works automatically. Those white lights show, when the fuel pumps are working that pump the fuel from the rear to front tanks.

 

thanks, good to know.

[SvAF/F19_Tomten]

You use the Pe-2 to hunt Bf110s? I would think it would be the other way around. The Pe-3bis would be better at that role...

 

The Bf110E-2 to G-2 is an increase in firepower (MG151/20 replaces MG-FF/M) along with optional MG151/20 gondola or BK3,7 37mm cannon along with more powerful engines (DB605 vs DB601). I'm sure other folks know more details but its basically a more powerful and more refined Bf110. Should be pretty good as an attacker as well as a bomber hunter when employed correctly.

 

Indeed, while attacking airfields in Pe-2 we usually aim to shoot down aircrafts going in for landing or right after start. A few Ju 87 and Bf 110 has fallen to our guns. Will be great fun doing it in the Bf 110 too!

 

110 g2 will also be something like 30-40 km/h faster than the E.

 

If I am correct pe2 and 110e have roughly the same top speed low for now.

 

Having flown both, I would say the 110e aleady outperform the pe2 exept in roll rate... The g2 will be even better.

 

110 is actually quite dangerous in the right hands, and with an adequate height advantage and good SA can even be a potent fighter. I bet we will see real g2 aces when it will be there.

 

Is that so? Great, then I'll be sure to employ even this variant in its fighter role.

[Yogiflight]

The other side of the coin is, the 110 is a large target and has two engines a rear gunner can hit.

[ShamrockOneFive]

Indeed, while attacking airfields in Pe-2 we usually aim to shoot down aircrafts going in for landing or right after start. A few Ju 87 and Bf 110 has fallen to our guns. Will be great fun doing it in the Bf 110 too!

 

 

Is that so? Great, then I'll be sure to employ even this variant in its fighter role.

 

I suspect you'll have lots of fun with the upgraded Bf110 then :D

[Sgt_Joch]

so, one last question, this time on the Oil Temperature gauge which for some inexplicable reason, the german designers decided to put on the engine nacelles which makes them hard to read.

 

Q: what is the optimum temprature setting? i.e. where should the needles be pointing and what do the two needles represent?

 

 

 

 

so far, I have just been matching the water and oil radiator setting.

[Ypsan]

Check this video for general familiarisation with Bf110...

 

[Yogiflight]

Hi Sgt_Joch, the two needles represent oil inlet and outlet temperature. I allways look, that the inlet needle stays between the two thicker lines. But you can look in the specifications, what the minimum and maximum for the temperatures are.

[Sgt_Joch]

Thanks, I tracked down the info in a flight manual, minimum temperature: 40 c, maximum temperature: 95 c which means keeping the two needles roughly between 9 and 12 o'clock, easy to check at a glance in flight.

 

The video is also excellent btw.

[LukeFF]

 

 

Q: what is the optimum temperature setting?

 

Check the Specification tab on the briefing / in-mission map page. 

[ShamrockOneFive]

So if the schedule is still on track after the 1CGS guys come back from holidays... we should be seeing the Bf110G-2 by the end of this month. I'm pretty excited! Especially for some of the new weapon options.