Discussion about 1CGS - TF CLOD Cooperation Announcement

[BraveSirRobin]

So if you're looking forward to it, why all the negativity?

The fact that I'm not certain that this will be a slam dunk success is "negativity"? The bar has been set pretty low.

[Brano]

I have ClOD bought in April 2011 right after official release. Payed like 50 euros for that. I am obliged to get free update sometime in 2017...do I care? No,I dont. I have allready expressed my opinion about all of this fuss. I dont agree with the way they have decided to go . Its a waste of resources on an obsolete game engine. It will not change anything. The community will stay split inbetween ClOD lovers and BoX haters (or vice versa) I dont have to jump on every hype train that whistles around.

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

I have ClOD bought in April 2011 right after official release. Payed like 50 euros for that. I am obliged to get free update sometime in 2017...do I care? No,I dont. I have allready expressed my opinion about all of this fuss. I dont agree with the way they have decided to go . Its a waste of resources on an obsolete game engine. It will not change anything. The community will stay split inbetween ClOD lovers and BoX haters (or vice versa) I dont have to jump on every hype train that whistles around.

what resources? its Team Fusion making the game not 1C Games or 777 Studios..

 

so no resources wasted..

 

complete different game engines.

 

CLOD doesn't effect anything but CLOD.

 

Now if you mean complete wast of your resources, ok I get it; don't upgrade it or play it.

[Mysticpuma]

For those who have asked about VR in CloD, here's a link you may find of interest

 

http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21356

[Sparviero_ITA]

Team Fusion would like to thank Jason Williams, Nikolay Baryshnikov and 1C Games for their generous decision to take this first step towards partnering with us.

 

 

And I thought that it was they who thank you for your free dedication over the years .... I was mistaken!

Anyway.....the miracols something happen...this is the living proof! 

Thanks all for this great news!

Edited December 27, 2016 by ITAF_F_Baracca

[Lusekofte]

 

 

Its a waste of resources on an obsolete game engine

 

Aint you glad 777 spend time on their obsolete game engine ?

 

 

 

The community will stay split inbetween ClOD lovers and BoX haters (or vice versa) I dont have to jump on every hype train that whistles around.

Well this was not the first splitting remark, and in this tread the splitting has been done from BOX side. Do you really think if 1C had pulled the plug on COD, all COD players would come running for BOS?

No chance in life mate, the COD players are now about to taste on BOX brand , but they will still fly COD, this meaning less bitching between two games in the same genre is totally and utterly stupid. If the game is of no interest, fine, leave it and ignore it. Do not start a war against it 

[Rolling_Thunder]

Why would they fail? They've keeps the game going with no official support for years, polishing a turd, performance wise. Now they have the support, in the way of source code, of the developers. No one is expecting a new theatre every year the way BoS develops. I'm not expecting weekly updates, I look forward to their releases but I won't be holding my breath for them. I know they will come. I actually have more faith in these guys than the DCS crew to bring decent multiple western front theatres.

[BraveSirRobin]

Why would they fail?

For the same reasons that every other developer but one (who also appears to be close to failing, if Jason is to be believed) has failed. High development costs and not enough customers.

[LawmanAUT-VR]

Wundervoll, congratulations!

 

So does that mean we can registrate CoD in our profile too in the near future ( as I asked before )?

[Bearcat]

Guys.. this is the last time I am going to say this... either knock it off .. or you will not be posting for a few days..

 

All of you have made your points.. If you have nothing further to say beyond what you have already said then let it go... if you have nothing positive to add beyond what ever negativity you have already brought to the thread.. let it go.. 

 

I will not be saying it again.........

[Danziger]

I've been playing on it for a couple of days now. I've got to say it's way better than when I first tried it. BoX has the edge in physical damage models with how the wings slowly break off. I just hope the visual damage models can be brought up to the same standard as clod. I like how clod only uses the black hole decals for small bullet holes and large holes are actually holes. I imagine the main reason is because the clod models have more detail inside the models like engines and framework. I also like the bent skin panels.

 

I like the canopy scratches and oil fouling better in clod as well. All of this is things that could be improved over time in BoX when they have time.

 

If the original idea was for clod and the original BoM to work out like the new version (different battle packs used within the same game like BoS, BoM, BoK) then it really is a shame they got shut down. I imagine a lot of the "incompleteness" of clod could've been worked out in the BoM cycle. But oh well, now instead of one successor to '46 we will have two. That's definitely a win in my book.

 

I don't think anyone expects TFS to start cranking out theatres and planes by the dozen. Honestly even if all they accomplish is releasing the North Africa map with planes, use the source code access to polish off what they have already done and continue support for those that would be success. If they manage to release more new planes and maps that is just icing on the pie.

[Lusekofte]

COD got the advantage of bigger map, more objects and a very good environment for squad flying. It is absolutely unbeaten when it comes to events for Squad like SOW and ACG campaign. There is many things I feel BOS is better at, but for serious flying in numbers I think COD is absolutely better.

When it comes to DM and engine management I think COD is better too, more complex, But BOS is adequate, BOS balance in a thin tread when it comes to be good for new simmers and old ones. It give a lot for all levels of experience.

Cod not so much, I find both of these games very good hand in hand, a little fed up with BOX, fly COD or vice versa. I simply cannot take side when it comes to what is better. They are too different. I honestly respect and understand those not like to fly any of these games, but it is so much better if they just ignored the game that is not of their liking.

[Danziger]

I like both. It would be awesome to get the best of each to cross over.

[wtornado]

I really like Cliffs of Dover I like the engine management and the flight models.

 

It has the exact same shortcomings this game has for me anyways and

I am not going into it we have said it enough the past 6 years Clod included.

 

If the North Africa add-on is good and at the price I want I will take it if there is a 

big single player and AXIS Allied campaigns with it.

[JG4_Sputnik]

I also like both sims. And I hope both will thrive, ultimately, the whole genre benefits.

 

I only wish CloD and BoS could somehow share ressources - why rebuild the Me109E again and again if the BoX one has the ultimate 3D model and the CloD one the ultimate cockpit? The same goes for all other planes. 

 

Also, BoS has such a great FM but lacks the "control" of it (engine management, fuel management, navigation etc.). It would be great if they could put both sims on the same technical standard and work from there, sharing models and data between each other, streamlining the process.

 

But the future looks bright, I will support both sims the best I can. And I hope this stupid CloD vs. BoS war will end now, because in the end, if one of these sims die, we all go back playing 46 again...

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I own a CloD disk from the initial release. I played it a bit but ultimately shelved it. When it is re-released I'll buy it again to support the team(s). I expect it will be somewhere between pretty good and very good with the TF team working from the source code. Good luck to all in this endeavor.

[Lusekofte]

For my sake it is better, I like bombers and the bomb aim interface, look and animation is remarkable in COD . You lean into the sight, and have to look at the gauges , calculate IAS and TAS and altitude over ocean. No doubt it is better that way. When it comes to defence against fighter, the 303 cal do not disable you so easy, bt it is harder to disable the fighter too. They have manage to balance it similar to BOS where you a bit easier (on russian side ) can disable the fighter, but then again easier get disabled yourself.

Better or worse is a subjective thing, it is all about what the player himself want

[BraveSirRobin]

For my sake it is better

No kidding. You've stated that you prefer it about 20 times now.

Edited December 28, 2016 by BraveSirRobin

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

Lol. One of the people running this project has posted stuff that is thousands of times douchier than anything I have ever posted. Despite what you think, I'm looking forward to this. I'm just not delusional about it's odds of succeeding.

these are the things depressed pessimist say..lol I'm J/K BSR it's the context you present your statements..

They confuse me sometimes..

 

As I'm sure, I confuse some people most of the time..

 

and some where some time, I think Bear will be by to close this thread for a few days?

Edited December 29, 2016 by 71st_AH_Mastiff

[ACG_daffy_]

Well, admittedly, I have not always been a BOS/BOM/BO'x fan-boy.  I am cautiously optimistic about its future.....BUT....I still throw my money at it because I love the genre and the community.  (even the ones we argue with  ).  Yeah, I'm sure that I will eventually pre-order all of the BOK stuff.  I just need to get past my own stubbornness.  (You guys will get my $$$ Jason.  I'll gripe, but you will get my money.  Be sure of it.  

I think though, that this news is refreshing, and exciting.  It's overdue in my opinion, and I am anxious to see where it all comes out.  What those guys did with COD over the years is phenomenal and they saved a genre as far as I'm concerned.  The fellas here, with all of their talent, working with TF on a professional level for this genre does really suggest that good things can be anticipated.  I think it would be wonderful to have competing theaters, platforms, and titles work together in order to keep the competing great for us!  

Thumbs up and S!

[Lusekofte]

 

 

No kidding. You've stated that you prefer it about 20 times now.

 

No I haven't , I have not concluded what is the best game, because there is not any, it is a subjective matter. I currently fly neither more than 4 hour a month.

 

But all the time I have said something favouring COD you have quoted that and counted it, you are just not that good at counting 

[BraveSirRobin]

I have not concluded what is the best game

 

Do you even read your own posts?

 

For my sake it is better

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

I found TF Clod not that good (former ACG member) ,imho BOS is more advanced sim with some stuff missing yet, but i appreciated work of TF . Now with source code they can do more so it's good for genre, we customers benefit from healty competition. If one would have critical future second will have to catch up and usually improve (e.g. Marshal mode).

[JG4_Sputnik]

Who is the producer of CloD now by the way? Is it also Jason or someone else?

[Lusekofte]

 

 

Do you even read your own posts?

 

I wonder if you do, I suspect you to read the headlines and then troll them

BTW I put you on my ignore list, , I suggest you do the same with me. I am not angry or have any negative against you. I just got other things to do

[II./JG27_Rich]

Who is the producer of CloD now by the way? Is it also Jason or someone else?

Pretty sure the old 1c group Oleg Maddox and his boys. They had the great run from 2001 to 2011...well the 2011 game was made into a great game.

 

Edited January 1, 2017 by II./JG27_Rich

[JG4_Sputnik]

Hm I thought they had left the business...?

[Gitano_Fraile]

Seems to me a great initiative. But I would like to know if they are going to improve the FMB. My last attempts to continue with the CLOD, was the amount of programming that you have to know to be able to carry out a campaign. I really hope they improve it because I consider it to be a vital part of the game.

Equally Go ahead with the dream

regards

[II./JG27_Rich]

Hm I thought they had left the business...?

I was over in the 1c "Banana" forum every day for years while all the development was going on and...Tree was after Oleg Maddox every single day it seemed...almost LOL. I made this in a few minutes and he got a big kick out of it. I had an old video of the pre launch in Russia but I don't know where it went

 

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/forumdisplay.php?f=189

 

 

 

 

Buzzsaw talks a little here

 

Edited January 1, 2017 by II./JG27_Rich

[Lusekofte]

Like with this game I overlooked the bugs and terrible issues COD had in release. I just flew and flew the wonderful planes , all of them, but at that time the 110 and JU 87 was my favourites , I took a Stuka and dive bombed those ships thousands of times and damned those Spits for not being aggressive. I even change planes to be in the one they bothered to attack. But they stopped and formation back home. I remember how in awe I was about the possibilities that game had, 

[InProgress]

Some people play IL2 CLOD because they love the battle of Britain: 109 Vs Spit.

Now what if IL2 BOX release a BOB theater or/and Med Theater?

 

I play it for clickable cockpits, it's amazing when you can click something there and not deal with all key bindings and remembering all this.. also because it's more sim than bos, you start plane manually and not with 1 click.

 

Both games are great but if I had to choose africa/britain in cod or box I would choose cod.

 

Also those details like your pilot avatar that you can dress in different uniforms or a picture you can put on your cockpit of your girlfriend etc

 

I play both games but really feel better and more immersive in cod.

Edited January 2, 2017 by InProgress

[ACG_Smokejumper]

Best news of 2016 right there!!    I had pretty much retired from CloD permanently, but now with a DirectX 11 engine (and therefore possibility of VR), I can  wait to skim the Channel waters again!  :D

 

Congratulations to both teams!!

 

 

 

Like this?

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21356

Edited January 3, 2017 by 1./JG26_Smokejumper

[ACG_Smokejumper]

Edit: Not that I'll actually fly the pacific theatre-dreadfully boring stuff-but I'll buy it since you gave TF what they need to keep making the wonderful product I so love.

 

 

I will. I buy every game they release even though I don't play it. When they release the Pacific with Corsairs I don't care if the field of view isn't equal to CloD. With hope I'll have a VR set with the resolution I'm waiting for and it won't mater. Anyway, I don't play BoS much as I like the FM and shooting aspect of Cliffs much better.

 

Corsairs will get me in this game a shit load more. I couldn't not fly it......

[javelina]

Corsairs will get me in this game a shit load more. I couldn't not fly it......

 

Amen brother!  Whistling Death all the way!!!

[II./JG27_Rich]

I play it for clickable cockpits, it's amazing when you can click something there and not deal with all key bindings and remembering all this.. also because it's more sim than bos, you start plane manually and not with 1 click.

 

Both games are great but if I had to choose africa/britain in cod or box I would choose cod.

 

Also those details like your pilot avatar that you can dress in different uniforms or a picture you can put on your cockpit of your girlfriend etc

 

I play both games but really feel better and more immersive in cod.

 

 

The Battle of Britain is one of my least favorite arenas. Back and forth back and forth day after day over that channel but I play it almost every day because I love the sim. First North Africa/Mediterranean   Europe 1943-45   Russia 1941-43  Battle of Britain  Pacific

Edited January 3, 2017 by II./JG27_Rich

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

I play it for clickable cockpits, it's amazing when you can click something there and not deal with all key bindings and remembering all this.. also because it's more sim than bos, you start plane manually and not with 1 click.

.

Yea real big diffrence compared to bos 1 click- in Clod you have to use 2 click to take off - fuel on and ignition switch ...

[Original_Uwe]

I was over in the 1c "Banana" forum every day for years while all the development was going on and...Tree was after Oleg Maddox every single day it seemed...almost LOL. I made this in a few minutes and he got a big kick out of it. I had an old video of the pre launch in Russia but I don't know where it went

 

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/forumdisplay.php?f=189

 

 

 

 

Buzzsaw talks a little here

 

Oh man I remember him. Tree was on a holy freaking crusade to sink CoD.

If I recall correctly he actually posted an apology and said he was sorry for the part he played in the CoD debacle.

[II./JG27_Rich]

Yea real big diffrence compared to bos 1 click- in Clod you have to use 2 click to take off - fuel on and ignition switch ...

Disagree a bit especially with multi engine aircraft. You have to really have things set right or you will never get up     

 

Edited January 3, 2017 by II./JG27_Rich

[Lusekofte]

Start up is easy learned on all planes in COD , but  the way engine, undercarriage, radiators, flaps, guns, hits and visual DM is modelled and the consequences for not doing it right is in a totally different league. It is a simulator with a much bigger ambition behind it than BOS. Personally I think we haven't come 10% forward in what this sim can do. But I guess that goes for BOS too

[Boaty-McBoatface]

Start up is easy learned on all planes in COD , but the way engine, undercarriage, radiators, flaps, guns, hits and visual DM is modelled and the consequences for not doing it right is in a totally different league.

Flaps and gear that deploy at 600kph without damage, 'water cooler perforated' message and then exactly 2.5 minutes left, 2000hp superstuka, 1 click fuel cock startup; that's a totally different league of bugged mess for sure. Rot starts from the top but it's great they now have the chance to address major core issues with the sim.

Edited January 4, 2017 by B0SS