Fw 190 A-5

[BlackSix 2739]

This topic is gathering your suggestions of skins for Fw 190 A-5
All subject related discussions are IN THIS TOPIC.

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How to post a suggestion:
- recall a cool-looking or a famous camo pattern of a plane that is announced to be in BOK
- find the topic about the plane you have a suggestion about
- prepare images of that camo pattern you're suggesting
- publish the image(s) showing explicitly that very skin
 
Keep in mind:
- skins that have never been seen above or near Kuban during WWII are okay
- camos with emblems or pilot's kill marks are okay
- Polish, French, Italian and other national camos are okay

[I./ZG1_Panzerbar 1069]

Ok, considering Fw190A-3 in game is for Fw190A-2 and A-3, and Fw190A-5 in game is for A-4, A-5 and A-6 (with F-2, F-3 and G-2 assault and fighter-bomber variants)

 

Fw190A-6, 5./JG 54. Black 7 is of Hptm. Max  Stotz (StaKa), and Black 5 is of Lt. Emil Lang (future StaKa), two top II Gruppe aces. Summer 1943, Kursk Battle.

 

Fw190A-5, White 4, "Rammbock", StaKa 1./JG 54, Lt. Walter Nowotny

 

Fw190A-4, "Black 1", 2./JG 54 Ofw. Otto Kittel (Top Fw190 ace of all time).

Edited November 29, 2016 by I./ZG1_Panzerbar

[I./ZG1_Panzerbar 1069]

Fw190A-4/5's of Hermann Graf.

 

 

[[Pb]Cybermat47 1090]

Unteroffizier Walter Köhne, 3./JG 1, Deelen, July 1943.

 

And here are some unusual ones in anticipation of 'Battle of Midway'

 

Imperial Japanese Army Air Service, used for evaluation and testing.

 

Fw-190 A-5 captured by the USAAF's 325th FG (top image).

Edited November 28, 2016 by Cybermat47

[6./ZG26_5tuka 1808]

 

 

 

 

More pictures on already proposed schemes:

 

 

[6./ZG26_Custard 1257]

Some A5 considerations.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Please make sure that all screenshots of in game footage with swasticas are behind a spoiler tag. {spoiler} your image here {/spoiler} - Replace { } with [ ].

Edited December 2, 2016 by Bearcat

[I./ZG1_Panzerbar 1069]

It is rather nice

Custard - Yould You like to find a photo confirmation for this color paint? For all that profile of "Yellow 2", only decorated rudder is known. Do You have something more then just a profile?

 

Fw190A-5 of Hondt - this profile is awfull-painted. Also, it is already in game on Fw190A-3

 

Guys - please, PLEASE avoid posting color profiles without photo evidence. There are too many mistakes, errors and just simply speculations. 

 

Example is above - Yellow 7 of 3./JG1 never had Yellow engine cowling. Only white. E.t.c.

5tuka  - I can say, Eduard Models and their decals are totally crap. Prooved hundred times already.

 

As You may see, they claim Black 7 is a E.Lang's aircraft.

 

But... Hmmm..

 

 

19.08.1943

Oblt. Max Stotz RK-EL

5./JG54

LK Yak9 ExpB FSA verm.

Fw190A-6 W.Nr.550201 sw 7 +

100%

Pl. Qu. 4572

[MiloMorai 617]

692 photos of Fw190s

 

http://www.luftwaffephotos.com/lfw1901.htm

[MiloMorai 617]

_{"Also documented about this time were solid colored cowls. Little information is known about these aside from the fact that the practice was not wide spread. Both White and Yellow cowls have been documented on 1./JG 1 aircraft, so Staffel color may not have been a factor"}

 

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/jg1colourstt_1.htm

[I./ZG1_Panzerbar 1069]

JG 1 Focke Wulf Fw 190 checker nose colours

 

Another area of Luftwaffe colours that seems to have become a real can of worms is the issue of JG 1 Fw 190 checker board cowls. These 'Sonderkennungen' or 'special markings' were among the first attempts to come up with a colour scheme that would facilitate aerial re-formation of  JG 1 fighters after a pass through the bomber Pulks. The first 1./JG1 machines to be painted with this Schachbrettmuster (lit. chess board scheme) were photographed with plain white cowls and from around mid-1943 1. Staffel added black checks to the white cowling. The scheme didn't last long on the aircraft as reported by 1./JG 1 mechanic August Michalski;

" one day our airfield at Deelen was raided by P-47s - their cowlings were also finished in the chequer board scheme. Because of this the airfield flak failed to open up on them - they thought they were our own aircraft- and the P-47s were able to strafe the field entirely unhampered...following this debacle our Fw 190s quickly had their checker cowls over-painted .."

 

It is therefore difficult to see how these cowl colours could be anything other than black/white - after all why should they be?  Fw 190 Experte (NB 'Experten' is the PLURAL form) Peter Rodeike who covered this subject in an article in German magazine Jet & Prop (issue 4/03) is of the same opinion. In his piece Rodeike quoted ground crew testimony from Michalski (above) and states that:

" no former JG 1 personnel could recall any colour combination other than white/black as ever being used on JG 1 Focke-Wulfs "

 

Pretty categoric. He further states that information on yellow and red coloured chequers stem solely from 'interpretations' of archive film images held by certain US 'experts' and authors (if I'm being unkind he could have perhaps added 'with decals and books to sell'). In Rodeike's article one can trace two possible sources of the claims of yellow and red used.

One is a b/w photograph of the Fw 190 "White 1" (or "4") assigned to Bernhard Kunze, 1./JG 1, WNr. 410055, showing an oil smeared cowling giving the impression of a shade darker than white, obviously (incorrectly) understood as yellow. A 1./ JG 1 Fw 190 had white as the Staffel colour.

Thomas A. Tullis has on the other hand published an article in "Defenders of the Reich Vol 2", by Erik Mombeeck arguing why 1./JG 1 used yellow/black chequers. He suggests the black checkers/chequers had been painted on an already yellow nosed a/c or even that the "power egg (entire cowl/engine unit) could have been borrowed from a third Staffel aircraft due to engine problems". Both explanations seem quite unrealistic to me and seem only to serve the purpose of defending a preconceived idea. Note though that sister GeschwaderJG 11 did have solid yellow cowls on some of their Fw 190s.

 

And, one more comment:

 

 

 

Hi all,
I´m very thankful to read this statement on which I fully agree !
I´m the nephew of Fw. Berhard Kunze (Fw190A5 -White 1, WN 410055) and I could do some work to enlighten and clear up most of the circumstances and details on Berhard´s fatal crashwith its 2./ JG1 FW190 A6 (Black 1, WN 550884) on Jan. 5th, 1944 close to Bergisch-Gladbach, Germany. 

One thing was facing me very often, it was the very inconsistant discussion of the checkerboard colour of the fighters he piloted. Corrections of the sometimes wrong published sketches of Bernhard´s 190-checkerbord-colours are really needed. In writing to all the relevant publishers I did many efforts to make the truth breaking through - but a pity without success. Everyone should know black/white is correct, instead of black/yellow. By no exceptions at any time all different squadrons of JG1 were painted always in the same respective identical color combination in analogy to the squadron number, and the numbering color of every single plane was corresponding to the coloring of checkerboard. 
Bernhard and others never used to have a yellow/black checkerboard !

Because this was discussed in web and publications in a most controversially and misleading manner I personally have interviewed some contemporary eyewitnesses : e.g. former JG1 pilots, like Bernhard´s 1./JG1-squadron-colleague Lt. Berger as well as the sister of Bernhard (she eyewitnessed his Fw190´s) ! Both are witnessing independently from each other and very clear that Bernhard´s Fw190 and all 1./JG1 fighters always used to have a "black/white"-checkerboard - even if the lower engine cowl was painted in yellow .

Hoping to contribute to a bit more clearness by this message.
F. Börsch
www.berhard-kunze.de

 

[6./ZG26_5tuka 1808]

5tuka  - I can say, Eduard Models and their decals are totally crap. Prooved hundred times already.

 

As You may see, they claim Black 7 is a E.Lang's aircraft.

 

But... Hmmm..

I didn't post this for the information in the picture but because it includes a topdown view of the aircraft with the distinctive wing pattern. The side view at least matches well with your photo above so it can't be that far off.

[6./ZG26_Custard 1257]

 

 

Guys - please, PLEASE avoid posting color profiles without photo evidence. There are too many mistakes, errors and just simply speculations.

Because of the passing of years and unless people have an extensive collection of photographs it can prove very difficult to 100% verify what is “accurate.”

Unfortunately, we will never have 100% accurate Luftwaffe base skins in IL2 because for legal or moral reasons we cannot have accurate, historic markings on the tail.

It’s an old argument and we know the reasons why but it still distracts from a wonderfully researched and well crafted skin with fantasy emblem on the tail.

[Luger1969 120]

Hubertus von Bonin

 

 

[Luger1969 120]

Erich Rudorffer  (above and below are I think A4's) Just like these (brown/green) schemes so much ... see also Panzarb suggestions with Lang and Stotz above 

 

Edited December 1, 2016 by Chandalier1969

[I./ZG1_Panzerbar 1069]

 

 

Erich Rudorffer  (above and below are I think A4's) Just like these (brown/green) schemes so much

 

It is another Kagero's fake. Not all II./JG2's Fw190A were overpainted, and if they were overpainted - they didnt used RLM80, i.e. they were solid monotone RLM79/78. 

[MiloMorai 617]

[361ST_SPEKTRE76 1670]

This is one plane I definitely want to skin!

 

 

I'd make the JG54 W+A that we have here at the flying Heritage Club. It is the only ALL ORIGINAL flying 190A-5 in existence. I'll even put the propeller markings on her.

 

 

Edited December 7, 2016 by II./ZG1_SPEKTRE76

[I./JG1_Baron 591]

What about this?

 

Focke Wulf Fw 190 A-4 Flown by Oberleutnant Wolfgang Leonhardt, 6./JG 1, Woenstrecht/Holland, October 31 1942

 

 

2./JG1, Holland, summer 1943

 

[CUJO_1970 973]