Developer Diary, Part 140 - Discussion

[216th_Jordan]

The thing is the players beyond this forum. Until a message spreads there it may take a time. Compared to BoM BoK sells quite well already. And I'm quite sure that BoS sales have risen lately on Steam.

[II./JG77_Manu*]

What are the differences between the A3 and A5? Just looking to educate myself.

 

Main difference is the speed, A5 (without GM-1 or MW50) is around 20kph faster then A3

[GridiroN]

Main difference is the speed, A5 (without GM-1 or MW50) is around 20kph faster then A3

And manual radiators.

 

Ps. Why would removing MW50 ever be a good idea?

Edited November 27, 2016 by GridiroN

[II./JG77_Manu*]

And manual radiators.

 

Ps. Why would removing MW50 ever be a good idea?

Not about removing, but not all A5s had MW50. Became operational in summer 43, mostly used for fighter-bomber. Upped the speed at ground level to around 585 (without bomb)

[ShamrockOneFive]

I thought only a single FW190A-5 had a MW50 system installed. The rest of the low altitude hot-rods just ran on higher engine boost and higher quality fuel.

[JtD]

Same fuel, just more of it to keep the mixture rich, at higher boost. No MW50.

[II./JG77_Manu*]

I thought only a single FW190A-5 had a MW50 system installed. The rest of the low altitude hot-rods just ran on higher engine boost and higher quality fuel.

Yeah, C3 injection. Together with 1.65ata. Confused it with MW.

[ITAF_Rani]

I want kuban for this..

[ShamrockOneFive]

Same fuel, just more of it to keep the mixture rich, at higher boost. No MW50.

 

Yeah, C3 injection. Together with 1.65ata. Confused it with MW.

 

Yep! Those were the things...C3 and 1.65ATA.

 

Those were setup with the Jabo squadrons mostly yeah? The idea was low level high speed penetration attacks on targets and then equally fast egress from the target once the bombs were dropped.

 

If anything... I remember that the A-5 version was the first that was used as a base for a variety of ground attack and long range ground attack operations in the Kuban and Crimea theaters. I'm wondering what kind of additional modifications that the A-5 will have that the A-3 does not.

Edited November 27, 2016 by ShamrockOneFive

[II./JG77_Manu*]

Yep, that's right. Both F and G versions were nothing else then renamed A5 (amongst other) as well. Will be interesting to see which unlocks we get..there could be a huge variety in theory. U7 with 2 MK108 would be interesting 

[ITAF_Cymao]

I dont understand why do I have to wait for the release of the new model (A5) to have fixed the old model (A3 already paid)?
If there is a mistake, it should be solved quickly.

However better late then never, but I m not happy for the the announcement, I wait for the results of the fix.

 

S!

Edited November 27, 2016 by ITAF_Cymao

[LukeFF]

I dont understand why do I have to wait for the release of the new model (A5) to have fixed the old model (A3 already paid)?

Because they are a small team with limited resources and time.

[Mac_Messer]

Unfortunately, there isn't much time when a game developer notes pre-order sales is vital to survival of this project.  Not even a commercial viability.  A survival. 

When pre-order is requirement to stay afloat, there isn't much waiting time. 

 

BOM may be an explanation of post BOS situation, but BOK low sales may just be a representation of members don't put money where their mouth is at. 

 

I love to be on the wrong side on this. 

There is a myriad of different reasons why BOK preorder may be selling low. Some people don`t preorder just because. Some people do not buy until release. Some are not satisfied with BoM and so on.

I for one took part in few early acess campaigns and to my distaste the experience with them was the same. Hype then curiosity then getting the limited package and found that I couldn`t bring myself to care about it the closer the release date got. I`m done with all of those games I participated in the EA  now and I can`t explain why.

 

I *am* getting BoK. Day one and not until the full package is available. That is how I buy games because otherwise I do not enjoy them.

 

Personally I think BoK will be much more popular than BoS/BoM.

Edited November 27, 2016 by Mac_Messer

[Danziger]

I dont understand why do I have to wait for the release of the new model (A5) to have fixed the old model (A3 already paid)?

If there is a mistake, it should be solved quickly.

However better late then never, but I m not happy for the the announcement, I wait for the results of the fix.

 

S!

I think what you meant to say is that you don't want to wait and you want it fixed now, not that you don't understand.

 

It's been made clear enough for small children to understand why it will not be done now.

[ITAF_Cymao]

I think what you meant to say is that you don't want to wait and you want it fixed now, not that you don't understand.

 

It's been made clear enough for small children to understand why it will not be done now.

 

Dont worry I have understood very well why do we have to wait for release new model to fix old model.

And dont worry I can wait for spring 2017.

 

S!

Edited November 27, 2016 by ITAF_Cymao

[Jason_Williams]

I dont understand why do I have to wait for the release of the new model (A5) to have fixed the old model (A3 already paid)?

If there is a mistake, it should be solved quickly.

However better late then never, but I m not happy for the the announcement, I wait for the results of the fix.

 

S!

 

It does not work this way. We have a defined development schedule set months in advance. The only way we can develop so fast is that we stay on target and do no deviate often. So called "fixing something quickly" means delaying other stuff and it has an exponential delaying affect on the entire schedule. So, not a wasted moment. When you do not have any extra hands this is how you have to operate. And you can see the result when we do deviate and try to fix something in a hurry without a long enough investigative period for somthing like an FM, it can cause a larger problem! We build in small periods for revising things, but they are rare. So, when we take on the A5 we have a small window we can throw in the A3 changes and test both at the same time and not delay the whole ship much.

 

So when we get something wrong it a big problem. The only way to solve is to make more money and hire more "qualified" help. Not so easy even if we have the money anyways. It's the eternal situation we are always in and gets extremely tiresome and we've lost people over the years to this issue. 

 

Jason

There is a myriad of different reasons why BOK preorder may be selling low. Some people don`t preorder just because. Some people do not buy until release. Some are not satisfied with BoM and so on.

I for one took part in few early acess campaigns and to my distaste the experience with them was the same. Hype then curiosity then getting the limited package and found that I couldn`t bring myself to care about it the closer the release date got. I`m done with all of those games I participated in the EA  now and I can`t explain why.

 

I *am* getting BoK. Day one and not until the full package is available. That is how I buy games because otherwise I do not enjoy them.

 

Personally I think BoK will be much more popular than BoS/BoM.

 

BOK pre-order are selling as predicted and better than BOM did, but OVERALL sales for all products always need a bump. The whole genre needs a bump.

 

Jason 

[Bando]

I can understand you and the team will get irritated at times. Hell, I am now and then.

 

I believe that the vast majority of these forums are on your side, so I do hope you and the team will get some comfort from that as well.

[II./JG77_Manu*]

 

 

I believe that the vast majority of these forums are on your side

I think everybody in those forums is on the side of the franchise, why the heck would anybody spend time in it otherwise?

[=EXPEND=Capt_Yorkshire]

On a positive note we had a good turn out of player numbers tonight. will be buying kuban for xmas and the ju52 . 

[StG2_Manfred]

I can understand you and the team will get irritated at times. Hell, I am now and then.

 

I believe that the vast majority of these forums are on your side, so I do hope you and the team will get some comfort from that as well.

Just for your info, the StG2 squadron finance and provides the server the TAW war is running on. Just to give you an idea on which side we are.

[Bando]

I think everybody in those forums is on the side of the franchise, why the heck would anybody spend time in it otherwise?

 

I asked myself the same question Manu.

 

Manfred; Good for you.

[Mac_Messer]

 

BOK pre-order are selling as predicted and better than BOM did, but OVERALL sales for all products always need a bump. The whole genre needs a bump.

 

Jason 

I didn`t mean to say otherwise. It`s good news that BoK has a good start. I was speaking for myself as to not insult others` motivations. I think all of us are really frustrated at times that the combatflightsim genre can`t operate at the same spectrum than say space shooters, let alone FPS games. Than again, this franchise is also a game and it looses from the same bullcrap that other companies do to customers - buggy releases, extensive DLCs, review embargos etc. All of this influences BoX aswell, as people are friggin tired of what some of the men in charge of bigger titles make them go through.

[Chief_Mouser]

I want kuban for this..

Why? What's the point when you know that you are in the far superior aircraft?

Online there won't be many willing takers on the red side of that matchup and in SP it will soon get boring.

Instead, fly the A-5 low and fast and blow things up - much more fun.

Cheers.

[[CPT]milopugdog]

Why? What's the point when you know that you are in the far superior aircraft?

Online there won't be many willing takers on the red side of that matchup and in SP it will soon get boring.

Instead, fly the A-5 low and fast and blow things up - much more fun.

Cheers.

A game with no challenge isn't fun either.

[itsmecamille]

BOK pre-order are selling as predicted and better than BOM did, but OVERALL sales for all products always need a bump. The whole genre needs a bump.

 

 

Well I had sworn not to pre-order again before VR support would be finally out but I've just gone ahead and pre order BOK. I hope I won't regret it but this is probably a time when IL2 needs all the support it can so that it can find a new breath. Once the VR support is out and working I'll also buy everything else I didn't have yet (BOM, collector planes etc).

[migmadmarine]

I still intend to put in for the pre-order on BoK, but being in college the cost is not something to jump at immediately, will likely try to get a copy for Christmas.

[Plesski]

BOK pre-order are selling as predicted and better than BOM did, but OVERALL sales for all products always need a bump. The whole genre needs a bump.

 

Jason

If I may suggest anything - If you want a bump the whole genre then think more about new player experience. You have to be very strongly motivated to stay with this game as the help is almost non existing. The amount of assumed knowledge creates an entry barrier which I assume force many people away.

 

P.

[Wulf]

Why? What's the point when you know that you are in the far superior aircraft?

Online there won't be many willing takers on the red side of that matchup and in SP it will soon get boring.

Instead, fly the A-5 low and fast and blow things up - much more fun.

Cheers.

 

 

If people flew as if their lives depended on it then yeah, I think you'd have a point but that isn't the nature of sim fighting.  In this busines, turning is far more important than it is in RL.  An aircraft like the Mk 5 may not be as fast as a 190 A-3/5 but it's pretty fast and has a pretty good rate of climb and it turns with the best of them.  If you stick to your knitting in a 190 you should be okay but if you don't, you'll in serious trouble.

Edited November 28, 2016 by Wulf

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Actually, I think it is pretty clear this is a highly motivated team of passionate professionals. Many of these programmers and engineers could probably make more money elsewhere at some of the big gaming houses. despite alll of our suggestions and gripes, at the end of the day we have a helluva product. I for one appreciate both their dedication, often in the face of adversity, and their stunning end product.

 

Thanks again guys!

 

~S

[Chief_Mouser]

If you stick to your knitting in a 190 you should be okay but if you don't, you'll in serious trouble.

Hope I meet one of those guys that doesn't know his cable stitch from his herringbone, because no matter what I wrote I won't be able to resist flying the Spit.

Cheers.

[ITAF_Rani]

I believe in this sim and in their developers trying do thir best..

At moment I fly only BOS cuase for me is the best.I think they will do always the better and better...I think when Fw190 will have FM reviewed all complaints from comunuty will stop...

For sure from me and my team they will have our support..

Best regards

Edited November 28, 2016 by ITAF_Rani

[Tomsk]

Well I had sworn not to pre-order again before VR support would be finally out .. Once the VR support is out and working I'll also buy everything else I didn't have yet (BOM, collector planes etc).

 

Same for me.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Nice to meet you Roman (Gavrick) - thanks for doing your part. 

[sinned]

I think everybody in those forums is on the side of the franchise, why the heck would anybody spend time in it otherwise?

 

No, I have seen individuals who have nothing but deragatory slanders against BOS product and dev team where intentions and motives are in question. One individual who has been active since 2014 also comments not to buy the product to others.

I was surprised that the individual did not even own a copy of BOS for good 2 years while asking others not to buy (following his past posts, he purchased during a sale after 2 years of posting negative reivews and product is not worth the price).

 

Amazing stuff.

[II./JG77_Manu*]

No, I have seen individuals who have nothing but deragatory slanders against BOS product and dev team where intentions and motives are in question. One individual who has been active since 2014 also comments not to buy the product to others.

I was surprised that the individual did not even own a copy of BOS for good 2 years while asking others not to buy (following his past posts, he purchased during a sale after 2 years of posting negative reivews and product is not worth the price).

 

Amazing stuff.

 

That's sad to hear. Why would anybody waste time of his life for something he doesn't even like? Boggles my mind...however i am pretty sure in this forum there are not more then 5 people acting that way. Apart from that, you can't really hurt the franchise inside the forum. In here the people already got to grips with the franchise, and know what it's all about, they don't react to some slender because they know what's going on, at least the big scheme. 

If you really wanna hurt this game, you do it in Steam, Metacritic, Youtube etc. The critic by people in the Forum is positive for the franchise nothing else. I am pretty sure this franchise would be stone-dead, if there would not have been any critic allowed to this date.

[sinned]

I agree positive and constructive criticism from consumers is essential to success in any product. That said, I personally came to this forum to check what bos offers before buying one.

 

Also, there are others who post one sided articles (Internet game news) about devs and BOS based on what is said in this very forum.

I initially decided not to buy BOS after reading reviews on youtube AND comments in this forum.

 

My intention is not to dismiss your points (which I agree very much), but to point out that these endless angry demands, accusations and rants don't help potential buyers to make informed purchase but to simply walk away.

 

That means less resource for dev to attend to demands and fixes.

Edited November 28, 2016 by Cute_retriever

[Trooper117]

Jason wants all this bad feelings and ranting from the past to go away and for people to move on and start afresh... but it's not really helping his cause if people continually keep bringing this stuff up time after time.

Let it go, do the right thing. The dev's and mods are more than capable of sorting out any misdemeanours...

[Livai]

 

 

Jason wants all this bad feelings and ranting from the past to go away and for people to move on and start afresh... but it's not really helping his cause if people continually keep bringing this stuff up time after time.

 

The problem: "People won't give up, no people won't give in." Hard to cause this away the bad feelings and ranting from the past what they created by their own task! This will always follow them. Something what will fade away with time! It is up to them to show us a BoK DX11, Fw-190, VR that cause the past away! 

[Trooper117]

Hence my post with '' The dev's and mods are more than capable of sorting out any misdemeanours...''

 

Leave it to them... 

[Jason_Williams]

The problem: "People won't give up, no people won't give in." Hard to cause this away the bad feelings and ranting from the past what they created by their own task! This will always follow them. Something what will fade away with time! It is up to them to show us a BoK DX11, Fw-190, VR that cause the past away! 

 

None of the things you don't like were caused by me. So, the "task" as you say is not caused by me. So, time to lighten up a bit and let us implement our plan as described.

 

Jason