FuriousMeow Posted November 5, 2016 Posted November 5, 2016 (edited) You have to be kidding me right? You know they are trying to recreate the real world on a computer? It isn't just taking variables from a performance manual, putting them into an input and then out comes a plane that performs like the real thing? Nothing smells fishy - go through all of the dev diaries. You are new here, so maybe it would serve you better to know what they are doing because they post it regularly. They even asked for better information (VDM profiles), and here you are saying something smells fishy. And the "I am a customer" bit - so you are one of those that go around thinking the customer is always right. Edited November 5, 2016 by FuriousMeow 3
Hutzlipuh Posted November 5, 2016 Posted November 5, 2016 You have to be kidding me right? You know they are trying to recreate the real world on a computer? It isn't just taking variables from a performance manual, putting them into an input and then out comes a plane that performs like the real thing? oh and while they are at it they may also work on getting rid of world hunger and establishing world peace.... if your satisfied with the current state of the game go play and stop harrassing others...
FuriousMeow Posted November 5, 2016 Posted November 5, 2016 oh and while they are at it they may also work on getting rid of world hunger and establishing world peace.... if your satisfied with the current state of the game go play and stop harrassing others... What are you even on about now? You complain that they lock threads because of disagreeing views when they only lock threads when individuals are not even posting information but just antagonizing/attack other posters. But whatever, if you think I'm harassing you then... wow.
1CGS LukeFF Posted November 5, 2016 1CGS Posted November 5, 2016 (edited) It seems the only interaction on the English forum is moderators locking threads. Then you aren't looking enough at what is posted here on the English-language side. I actually think the biggest reason that threads escalate, is that there is no interaction or guidance from the company´s side at all and people are frustrated b/c they think they are basically not being regarded. You really think that's the case? Good grief, take a look at say, Jason's posts over the last three months or so, since he took over Loft's position. I swear, this forum can be bizarro land way too much... also ignoring part of the customer base while the other part gets all attention doesnt look right from a customer point of view....and i am a customer. What exactly are they ignoring from people like you? Edited November 5, 2016 by LukeFF 4
=362nd_FS=Hiromachi Posted November 5, 2016 Posted November 5, 2016 So where can i see what was used/what is performance target of all planes ? Being a researcher for a few years now I can explain this to you. While most of the documents of this kind are unclassified, that does not mean they can be published at will. Large part of my own digital library is composed of copies of documents coming from archives, museums or other public/private facilities I obtained only a copy and have no right to further replicate or publish it. In the past Han indicated sources for some of the things, some aircraft flight models, etc. but there is no way they will open a digital library with documentation. You all were quick to defend the devs without showing proof... This thing is called trust, I trust that what they do is with best possible documentation available for them. If I question something or I am sure that it is incorrect then I provide such materials requesting that certain matter can be reviewed. 2
=EXPEND=13SchwarzeHand Posted November 5, 2016 Posted November 5, 2016 (edited) You really think that's the case? Good grief, take a look at say, Jason's posts over the last three months or so, since he took over Loft's position. I swear, this forum can be bizarro land way too much.. I don´t know if you read the FM section of the board (which I actually refered too if you read my post again), but I strongly advise you to, since you are a tester after all. It seems, that to some people everyone giving the slightest criticism is out of her/his mind. That´s part of the lack of relationship I am talking about actually I do agree that this forum is bizzaro land, as your post seems to poove once again Edited November 5, 2016 by II/JG17_SchwarzeDreizehn 2
mb339pan Posted November 5, 2016 Posted November 5, 2016 LukeFF is Jason's best friend from RoF time, his messages are not neutral
Hutzlipuh Posted November 5, 2016 Posted November 5, 2016 (edited) Being a researcher for a few years now I can explain this to you. While most of the documents of this kind are unclassified, that does not mean they can be published at will. Large part of my own digital library is composed of copies of documents coming from archives, museums or other public/private facilities I obtained only a copy and have no right to further replicate or publish it. In the past Han indicated sources for some of the things, some aircraft flight models, etc. but there is no way they will open a digital library with documentation. This thing is called trust, I trust that what they do is with best possible documentation available for them. If I question something or I am sure that it is incorrect then I provide such materials requesting that certain matter can be reviewed. German documents from the WW2 era are common property...you only have to pay for copy costs. Im sorry i dont trust any developer that basically tells me to keep my mouth shut (forum rules + wanting proof while not giving the community data readouts) and accept their decisions without proof, not here nor on other games... documentation is EVERYTHING , be it here or in a real-life technical job... so for soviet planes basically they can model anything they like and tell us that that they used "secret documents" from russian archives? ... sorry i have to go laugh my ass off now... thats just asking for getting called a propaganda game , plain and simple... the smell is getting fishier with every post... Edited November 5, 2016 by Hutzlipuh 1
216th_Lucas_From_Hell Posted November 5, 2016 Posted November 5, 2016 They have listed the documents for all Battle of Stalingrad aircraft a few months ago, in fact. Those were discussed at length, and in the particular case of the Fw-190 many community members from aero backgrounds chipped in to find just exactly was not adding up, which has led to a amicable discussion with the developers who will revise the Fw-190A-3 flight model as they make the A-5 taking in account the new findings. Chill out, amigo 1
Jason_Williams Posted November 5, 2016 Posted November 5, 2016 German documents from the WW2 era are common property...you only have to pay for copy costs. Im sorry i dont trust any developer (with all those poor answers and decisions in the past...im not going to dig them up here....) that basically tells me to keep my mouth shut (forum rules + wanting proof) and accept their decisions without proof, not here not or on other games... documentation is EVERYTHING , be it here or in a real-life technical job... so for soviet planes basically they can model anything they like and tell us that that they used "secret documents" from russian archives? ... sorry i have to go laugh my ass off now... thats just asking for getting called a propaganda game , plain and simple... the smell is getting fishier with every post... If you insult our integrity again you will be banned. We share lots of information as our DDs show. And when we need help we ask for it as we have just done. We use ALL readily available sources of information in creating our flight models and do not rely on one single source. We also have declassified Soviet documents you do not have, but we do not share such information because we consider them trade secrets since we are primarily the only team with them. The product is a simulation. We will never have 100% accurate FMs, because well, it's a simulation not real life. So please take your conspiracy theories elsewhere. We respect the community and when they show us strong arguments that we have something wrong and we do our best to address them as time and resources allow. Again, attacking our integrity does NOTHING for you or us and we are less likely to spend our precious short time helping those that insult us. Be reasoned, be polite and be friendly to us and your fellow simmers. Jason 20
E69_geramos109 Posted November 5, 2016 Posted November 5, 2016 (edited) Hey Geramos, I appreciate your test, however: you say in your conclusion that Yak1 can hang on prop longer than 109. If you watch my video though (sadly no chronometer) you can see that with equal starting speed (100 kph vertical) the 109 stays 1,5 (100% fuel) to 2,5 seconds (10% fuel) longer in the air than yak with same amount of fuel. (measured from horizon to horizon). Doing a powerclimb like that does not give you very good comparable results as the fault in measurement has a grater impact due to longer measurement time. I see your point. So i take the clims on my video with the help of the crono to see the time needed from 150km/h to stall in both planes. With 50% fuel i can keep the G2 for a little more than 8 secs and with the yak i can hold the plane near 9 secs a few more than the 109. So in my test the yak keeps in the air more time. However i have to test with the Manual Prop pitch. But remember that the yak shold be worse if the prop can not hold the max Rpm so if you are right on your test it should be normal, because to have the same or better results than the 109 with a worse prop for that situation and less power/weight ratio show that something is wrong. I dont know if is realistic or not but ir they want to nerf the 109 for this reason they must to review all the planes not only one. Edited November 5, 2016 by E69_geramos109
Hutzlipuh Posted November 5, 2016 Posted November 5, 2016 (edited) They have listed the documents for all Battle of Stalingrad aircraft a few months ago, Chill out, amigo link? im chilled as hell....i just dont like being jumped upon [Edited] telling me that my views are false while only they are right... How many times do we have to ask not to label people?? As I said yesterday, I dont care if they are german, allied or spanish republican supporters, just do not use peroyative and mostly insulting labels. If you see one, just report it. Edited November 5, 2016 by SYN_Haashashin
Jason_Williams Posted November 5, 2016 Posted November 5, 2016 LukeFF is Jason's best friend from RoF time, his messages are not neutral Luke is a friend of mine and has contributed thousands of hours to helping build not only ROF but BOS a well. His comments are his own and no one here has neutral comments, you are all biased one way or another. It's called having an opinion. Matter of fact, I think I'll just close this topic because you guys can't be civil and continue to attack one another. Better luck next week. Jason 17
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