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71st_AH_Mastiff
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Good point here.

 

However, the prop hanging was present also in the old IL2, and it was related to the manual prop pitch "cheat".

it wasn't a cheat it was a feature
707shap_Srbin
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Time to become Russian pilot.  :P

 

You man soviet, do You? ;)

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The end of luftwaffe is so close ....

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=362nd_FS=Hiromachi
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Please, dont turn this into yet another of those discussions ...

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The end of luftwaffe is so close ....

Not until we get into 1944-45.

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Yet another fascinating update - thank you AnPetrovich.  Your hard and persistent work is truly appreciated!

 

Hey Boris, you've reached the perfect number of posts for this forum, with your 777!

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awesome work guys. nice update. looking forward to seeing these changes implemented and the new planes of course

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These dev diary updates just keep getting more and more interesting. Can't wait for next thursday. :)

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Yet another fascinating update - thank you AnPetrovich. Your hard and persistent work is truly appreciated!

 

Hey Boris, you've reached the perfect number of posts for this forum, with your 777!

Too bad I'm on my mobile and I can't see it :(

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Great update, thanks.

 

but this is little confusing:

 

 

Lots of minor improvements which appeared in the Yak-1 serial production all together significantly improved its fighting qualities. We hope that as soon as our beta-testing is finished, all the pilots who have already pre-ordered "Battle of Kuban" will come to see that.

 

I thought that Yak-1b is for BOS/BOM/BOK and not only for BOK.

Anyway after payday this month I will be BOK owner too finally.

Jason_Williams
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Great update, thanks.

 

but this is little confusing:

 

 

I thought that Yak-1b is for BOS/BOM/BOK and not only for BOK.

Anyway after payday this month I will be BOK owner too finally.

 

That's a mistake.

 

Jason

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Thanks guys for your hard work. When I told my wife that this game has pressure inside tires modeled she was like "Hmmm...". She was impressed I tell you that :).

 

Y.

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That's a mistake.

 

Jason

 

OK, thanks

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"2 weeks" back again? :ph34r:

Edited by 150GCT_Pan
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Very interesting to read this, thank you for the DD.

 

When you test the Yak, can you please check speed performance at altitudes of 6km and higher?

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Thanks for the great read... it will be fun to line up for a gun shot with the rudder with out rolling on my back. This sim is fun!

VBF-12_Snake9
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I normally don't care to comment on dds, but this guy needs a PR job. It was one of the best informative dds in years. If you could feel honesty, I felt it. :)

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I normally don't care to comment on dds, but this guy needs a PR job. It was one of the best informative dds in years. If you could feel honesty, I felt it. :)

I think Han has been doing a great job as well, but I have to agree: This one was particularly well written and to the point.

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bloody good update, anudder eggs celent wun, what say you feathered?

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These dev diary updates just keep getting more and more interesting. Can't wait for next thursday. :)

That is exactly what I believe! 

Thank you so much for all those regular juicy update, really it is delightful to read those each time.

And... it gets better and better!

Fantastic!

=WH=PangolinWranglin
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Maybe I misinterpreted this but is the Yak 1B  being released before the Ju52? Or will it just be complete before the Ju52 and they will be released in a pair at the same time?

3./JG15_Kampf
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Another interesting subject we touched during last week was an additional investigation of the MiG-3 behavior on its landing gear. The work has been initiated after a heated debate in the Russian-speaking community about the safe landing complexity of the MiG-3, especially in the crosswind conditions.Nevertheless, we decided to double-check the landing gear model of MiG-3 again and try to tune the settings (outside of those unknown to us) that could improve stability and control of the aircraft when moving on the ground.

 

the forum in English language, also to a heated discussion on the fw190 (many exaggerated and therefore blocked) ...... fw190 is ok ..... only feelings

 

To simplify the airframe and speed production, it was decided to abandon the rudder trim and aileron trim. Instead of the trims, adjustment plates were installed. The aircraft became a little lighter and its pressurization was improved. The shape of intake collector was changed. The exhaust pipes were covered by additional plates and the tail landing gear could now be raised in flight. All these changes reduced the aerodynamic drag of the aircraft and increased its top speed by 15-20 kmh. However, the climb rate and the turn time remained almost the same.

 

yak 1b will be fast

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E69_geramos109
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Another interesting subject we touched during last week was an additional investigation of the MiG-3 behavior on its landing gear. The work has been initiated after a heated debate in the Russian-speaking community about the safe landing complexity of the MiG-3, especially in the crosswind conditions.Nevertheless, we decided to double-check the landing gear model of MiG-3 again and try to tune the settings (outside of those unknown to us) that could improve stability and control of the aircraft when moving on the ground.

 

the forum in English language, also to a heated discussion on the fw190 (many exaggerated and therefore blocked) ...... fw190 is ok ..... only feelings

 

To simplify the airframe and speed production, it was decided to abandon the rudder trim and aileron trim. Instead of the trims, adjustment plates were installed. The aircraft became a little lighter and its pressurization was improved. The shape of intake collector was changed. The exhaust pipes were covered by additional plates and the tail landing gear could now be raised in flight. All these changes reduced the aerodynamic drag of the aircraft and increased its top speed by 15-20 kmh. However, the climb rate and the turn time remained almost the same.

 

yak 1b will be fast

Jejeje. If blue complains we are luftwinners. If the reds complain is because they have reasonable feelings.

If is difficult for a good red pilot to land the mig it must be reviewed but If all 190 expert pilots report that is imposible to manouver at hight speed are only feelings not arguments...

 

Lets see the conclusion about the 109.

Maybe we will have also nerfed that plane.

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150GCT_Veltro
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Jejeje. If blue complains we are luftwinners. If the reds complain is because they have reasonable feelings.

If is difficult for a good red pilot to land the mig it must be reviewed but If all 190 expert pilots report that is imposible to manouver at hight speed are only feelings not arguments...

 

Lets see the conclusion about the 109.

Maybe we will have also nerfed that plane.

 

Touchè.

 

Well said.

Edited by 150GCT_Veltro
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Jejeje. If blue complains we are luftwinners. If the reds complain is because they have reasonable feelings.

If is difficult for a good red pilot to land the mig it must be reviewed but If all 190 expert pilots report that is imposible to manouver at hight speed are only feelings not arguments...

 

Lets see the conclusion about the 109.

Maybe we will have also nerfed that plane.

People aren't called luftwhiners for pointing out possible flaws in FMs (which is perfectly reasonable - count me amongst the people who think, that the devs still haven't quite nailed it with the Fw 190)

 

They are called luftwhiners for suggesting, that there is some kind of bias on behalf of the devs to mave every German aircraft underperform and the Soviet aircraft overperform, which is what you just did.

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150GCT_Veltro
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They are called luftwhiners for suggesting, that there is some kind of bias on behalf of the devs to mave every German aircraft underperform and the Soviet aircraft overperform, which is what you just did.

 

This is your interpretation as for the banning (really boring) of the moderators.

 

"Luftwhiners", me included, are first of all supporters of this great sim and of this really talented team since the first day of RoF in 2009, just to make it clear. I prefer to be banned for my opinions rather than to be one of the pathetic fanboys we see on this forum. If they think that banning people is the good way to do....good for them. Enjoy your fanboys carnival, because it will help you for sure.

 

The "Lutfwhiners" party complains first of all because they still believe that this new IL2 is the best sim ever, me included, but something has changed with the last updates....or at least this is what a lot of us feel, and this is not a reason for banning people. We are just a bit worried about some "possible" balancing decision that could have been taken inside the team, but we all believe in this team, and in the future of this serie. Not conspiracy, just a balancing decision that is a reasonable way to go in the business of Entertainment Software.

 

Sure.....what geramos says sounds really like a touchè.

 

Instead of call people "Luftwhiners", banning them or answer "just emotions", try to give us some more explanations about FW-190 for ex., or about 20mm, or wooden DM ecc. ecc.. Ok, the language could be a problem, but there is also an English community here, not just the Russian one with reasonable feelings.

 

This is just a sincer feedback from a warned, banned supported from the first day.

 

We'll see.

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FlyingNutcase
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The enthusiasm in Petrovich's DD is inspiring. It sure gives one confidence that the project is well staffed.

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Nice to read that the physics model of the Yak-1B series 127 should be revised.
It would be also nice if also the physics model (FM) for the Bf109-F4/G2 and Fw190 would be also revised!

 

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Jejeje. If blue complains we are luftwinners. If the reds complain is because they have reasonable feelings.

If is difficult for a good red pilot to land the mig it must be reviewed but If all 190 expert pilots report that is imposible to manouver at hight speed are only feelings not arguments...

Lets see the conclusion about the 109.

Maybe we will have also nerfed that plane.

Fw190 was also rechecked and will likely be rechecked so please stop this assumption talk. Checking landing physics also is somewhat easier than an entire fm recheck.

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Not until we get into 1944-45.

 

Longer not Wings of Liberty played? :rofl:

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I m glad they have finally confirmed me109 as a helicopter and will fix it.

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It never ends. The German planes are never good enough regardless of what game it is. Maybe it isn't the planes that is the problem. Read entirely too much about the German Knights of WWII being unstoppable aces and thought that instantly applied without taking effort to learn the advantages of the aircraft over the others. "I read the 190 can boom and zoom and get away from anything!" Doesn't mean anything as it lacks every single bit of meaningful information such as altitude, speed, engagement, but it doesn't matter as it always turns into the inevitable that there is a bias against the German planes and it happens in every single WWII sim.

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150GCT_Veltro
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I m glad they have finally confirmed me109 as a helicopter and will fix it.

 

Agree.

 

We just need Fulcrum and Flanker now, we already have Alamo and Archers. Be patiente.

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i hope when they fix the 109 prop hanging (never seen it actually) they will also fix the Yak prop hanging which is an actual issue

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SCG_Space_Ghost
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-snip-

 

Get good flying for both sides, then let's talk about the FMs and DMs.

 

ye guys get guder

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i hope when they fix the 109 prop hanging (never seen it actually) they will also fix the Yak prop hanging which is an actual issue

 

I will try to do some tests this weekend but I actually felt that the ability of the 109 to keep flying in very low speed almost vertical flight was a bit over the top. 

I have no comparison in tests to yak for myself but the 109 always felt way more able to keep in a steep climb at low speed.

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TL;DR: Historical accuracy is great, but if the main reason that you care about it so much is because you think it means you should win a computer game all the time, you might be a Luftwhiner.

Omg this should be a thing. "You might be a Luftwhiner if..."

 

And for the other side we can have "Here's your star." Hahahaha!

 

Then again people won't get it because probably nobody here knows redneck comedians from the 1990s.

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