Is a B-17E needed for Battle of midway?

[Trooper117]

The B-17 was a failure in the Pacific, it was rapidly phased out and used for training purposes, by 1943 the heavy bomber in the Pacific was the Liberator... it would make far more sense to develop that aircraft if they did decide to go for a heavy bomber.

[Dakpilot]

Phased out in the Pacific because they needed a real Bomber in Europe 

 

     Liberator = Toyota Corolla

 

      B -17      =  Cadillac

 

not the finest comparison...but you get my drift  B -17 useful in more scenarios than just Pacific, but actually used in timeframe/Battle of Midway and in such a way that a heavy would actually work in game engine (not en masse) 

 

In all seriousness though there is a great and balanced article on the merits of both here

 

http://warfarehistorynetwork.com/daily/wwii/the-boeing-b-17-flying-fortress-vs-the-consolidated-b-24-liberator/

 

by the way I'd like to see a Liberator too, but at a push I prefer the British bombers

 

Cheers Dakpilot

Edited October 13, 2016 by Dakpilot

[Trooper117]

B-24 flew faster, farther, and for longer, with a 3 ton larger bomb load than the B-17... This is what made it a far better prospect for war fighting in the Pacific.

[Legioneod]

A B-17 would be great and could be used for later theaters but for Midway I'd rather see a B-26.

 

For the other pacific maps a B-24 would be a better choice as it had a bigger role in the Pacific compared to the B-17 due to it's longer range and bomb-load.

 

This is what I'd do:

 

Midway: B-26

 

Okinawa/ Whatever else: B-24

 

West Europe/ Mediterranean: B-17

 

B-17 didn't play a very large role in the Pacific like the B-24 did, so it doesn't make much sense to have in at this moment imo.

 

A B-24 would be a much better idea because it can be used in every other American theater. The B-24 is always overshadowed by the B-17 but it played a larger role in the war.

Edited October 13, 2016 by Legioneod

[Dakpilot]

@ Trooper, Yes All is true...... but not at the same time, B-17G could carry a similar payload to B-24, but at much slower speed and shorter distance, the only advantage the B-17 had operationally was it's higher operating altitude  due to lighter weight, but this only effective in distances found in Europe

 

Liberator was more suited to Pacific ops

 

Cheers Dakpilot

Edited October 13, 2016 by Dakpilot

[Legioneod]

The Lib was used in every American Theater. It played a larger role then the B-17 throughout the whole war. The Lib was better suited for use in the Pacific but it was used alot in Europe as well alongside the B-17.

 

I would much prefer to see a B-24 than a B-17, especially for a Pacific Theater. The B-17 can come later.

[Dakpilot]

All true but there is no chance of fitting in a B-24 in B of Midway release, even though I usually prefer the less glamorous aircraft there is no point denying that they can sell games and make finance easier

 

the only likely chance of a 4 engine aircraft in the foreseeable near future could be justified by B-17 historical part in Midway

 

Personally I feel before Okinawa MTO/Italy would be better, there is already a solid base after Kuban aircraft.. Even  a Yorktown class Carrier was in Med, 10 aircraft added to that theatre would really flesh it out well, Keep Commonwealth Pilots happy and give grounding for some Mod maps while Okinawa is made   But I guess they had to sell a concept/roadmap to the financiers, planeset is prob already planned so all this is moot

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[216th_Peterla]

I guess it will be an unnecessary waste in resources and we all know that small companies absorb in a painful way wrong development choices. That's my personal subjective opinion.

 

Of course I will love to see something similar to the Microprose title with this game engine.

Regards,

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Then dont try to fit B-17 into Midway and think of PBY. B-24 can work well with New Guinea, Leyte, Burma, China ...

[=CFC=Conky]

The Lib was used in every American Theater. It played a larger role then the B-17 throughout the whole war. The Lib was better suited for use in the Pacific but it was used alot in Europe as well alongside the B-17.

 

I would much prefer to see a B-24 than a B-17, especially for a Pacific Theater. The B-17 can come later.

 

 

Over 18,000+ B-24's built, can't be that bad eh?

[JtD]

What's most important - the B-24 looks better than the B-17.

[wtornado]

I would rather have the B-25 Mitchell with all its variants including Pappy Gunn's variant

than any of the planes mentioned here for the Pacific.With four plus .50 Cals in the nose

minimum not to mention the 75mm some models had.

 

Would be a blast flying anti-shipping sorties with it.

 

 

Edited October 13, 2016 by WTornado

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

What's most important - the B-24 looks better than the B-17.

Oh, the mouth on you  

[YSoMadTovarisch]

Didn't the dev say they will not be doing any 4 engines plane?

[Dakpilot]

+1 for B-25 however we are talking Midway Scenario....but by then B-25's had bombed Tokyo

 

But have to say, I will take old school B-17 over modern lamina flow high aspect ratio B-24 any day ..it just flies sweeter 

 

B-17 pilot nicknames --- The queen

 

B-24 pilot nicknames --- Convulsive Leviathan

 

B-17's were still flying commercially in the 80's/90's B-24's not..and B-17's continued as Military SAR aircraft post war, B-24's were scrapped

 

As much as I dislike ''glamour aircraft" B-17 was born from passion and B -24 was a moneymaker

 

it's all good humour 

 

Cheers Dakpilot

Edited October 13, 2016 by Dakpilot

[Cpt_Cool]

Scoring a hit on maneuvering ship with B-17 would be a ... miracle.

 

I've dropped a bomb on a flying airplane in BOS.  

 

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

You're not dropping any bombs on MY ship ! 

[Legioneod]

Over 18,000+ B-24's built, can't be that bad eh?

Not sure what you mean, all my responses are in favor of the B-24, I like it more than the B-17.  B-24 served a greater role in the war.

 

If we are going to choose any bomber for midway it should be the B-26. It was there and was one of, if not the, greatest medium bomber that the US had. It had a larger bomb load than the B-25 and lost the least of any bomber during the war.

Edited October 13, 2016 by Legioneod

[Cybermat47]

Didn't the dev say they will not be doing any 4 engines plane?

I doubt that, seeing as they've already made one.

Edited October 13, 2016 by Cybermat47

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Actually, they did. No viermot's for the foreseeable future. If they do it for the pacific I would expect a B-24, B-29 and/or an Emily over the B-17.

Edited October 14, 2016 by II/JG17_HerrMurf

[wtornado]

 

 

+1 for B-25 however we are talking Midway Scenario....but by then B-25's had bombed Tokyo

 

Just ''FW-190'' it into the Midway scenario like the 190 was put in BOS. 

B-25's were all over the Pacific theatre.

[=362nd_FS=RoflSeal]

What's most important - the B-24 looks better than the B-17.

Mate, the B-24 looks like some pregnant fish whose offspring are ready to burst out, this is where you are just wrong, the B-17 is a much better looking aircraft from every angle.

[Legioneod]

Mate, the B-24 looks like some pregnant fish whose offspring are ready to burst out, this is where you are just wrong, the B-17 is a much better looking aircraft from every angle.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I suppose. I for one think that the B-24 looks better than the B-17, but that's just my opinion.

[Sokol1]

B-17 in Midway game is not god idea, they can sunk the Japanese fleet in one pass, so what players will do with their torpedoes and dive bomber planes? 

 

Although not considered today as one of the heroes of midway, it was at the time very much considered so, taking credit for two carriers in all the newspaper headlines of the day, "Army Fliers Blasted Two Fleets off Midway." these claims were never publicly disputed/resolved until much much later... which lead to a certain resentment by the Navy, 

 

This propaganda reminds that made by RAF after Faklands war.

In "Sharkey" Ward book he say that survey conduced by Navy Public Relations with school boys at end of 1982, reveal that for then: 

The RAF won  the air war, the Army won the land war, and the Navy didn't really take part."    

Edited October 15, 2016 by Sokol1