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Lad and... Dear gentlemen! I would like to know your opinion about what I think could be the best theatre for this game (it's only my personal opinion anyway): the southern/center italian campaing during mid 1944 or even later.

We will find planes like Mc. 205 and FIAT g.55, Me109 G10/K4 (maybe), Me410 Hornisse, FW D series, DO 217, Hawkers Tempest, Spifire, P-51, P-38 lighting, P-47 thunderbolt, B25, B26, Mosquito AND I know that russian sent a Yak-3 squadron in southern Italy to help communist in Jugoslavia

 

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It 's my dream ( and I know not only mine...) Italian -Med scenario Summer 1943 to winter 1944-45.

Not sure if there was Fw 190  D...but the rest of planeset could be really enjoyable..

Hope in a miracle !!

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FW-190A-8 and FW-190F-8 not Dora.

 

The Axis planeset would be really amazing considering Macchi 205, Fiat G-55 (too few Re-2005), BF-109G-6 (all the serie), Bf-109G-14, BF-109G-14AS, BF-109G-10 Erla (this was the most important Gustav), and some BF-109K-4, FW-190A-8, Fw-190F-8.

For the allied, Spitfire Mk.Vc, Spitfire Mk.IX, Spitfire Mk.VIII (the most important), P-51D, A-36, P-47D, P-38, B-17, B-24, A-26, A-20, Mosquito, Lancaster ecc. ecc.

 

Yes, Yak was depolyed also in Italy as for the Arado 234 and P-80.

 

Air War Italy would be insane, but it will never happen.

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Thank you for your answers! I didn't add any 4 engines plane because I don't think that the developers will ever create them.

Also, landscapes will be surely much more interesting then russia's plains and a lot of the planes that we talked about are more or less already created!

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Where is the pre-order button ?  :biggrin:

 

Yep, That's something I would definitely want for the BoX series, esp since I'm not a big enthusiast about the pacific theater.

Maybe if the community shows it's interest the Battle of ??? of Jason's announcement might transform in BoI. 

 

It could finally give us a med theater without being in direct concurrence with the team fusion. 

Plus the lot of good planes in that late war set.

 

I'm all in for it !

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oh yes please! I've made this one for a Italy scenario:

 

E636.jpg

 

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I would love this. I've watched plenty of documentaries of P-47s doing CAS/Ground attack missions over Italy and I would love to recreate that in-game. I think it should be the next theater after the Pacific is released.

 

Also, I think it would be a good idea to add a poll to the thread :happy:

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oh yes please! I've made this one for a Italy scenario:

 

E636.jpg

 

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Awesome! Love trains models

I would love this. I've watched plenty of documentaries of P-47s doing CAS/Ground attack missions over Italy and I would love to recreate that in-game. I think it should be the next theater after the Pacific is released.

 

Also, I think it would be a good idea to add a poll to the thread :happy:

Yes, more or less every important WW2 planes flew here in the italian theatre except for russians (only a few yaks and pe-2s)

 

What you mean for "add a poll to the thread"?

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What you mean for "add a poll to the thread"?

I just mean you should add a poll because it's in the poll section of the forums.

 

P47 and italy would be a dream come true

Agreed. P-47s flew almost everywhere during the war, I hope to see one eventually.

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I would be keen on that theatre too.

 

That planset is sexy for both sides.

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Jason sayd on public TS interview (http://www.filefactory.com/stream/2peifvd2d3zp) that this game WILL NOT go to Africa because Team Fusion is working to that COD add on...

Thats kinda foolish imo, it's like saying you won't make a shooter because someone else is already doing it. I think they are passing up on a good theater, same with western europe because they don't want to make heavy bombers for some reason. I would gladly help fund the development of heavy bombers if they are willing to add them.

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Thats kinda foolish imo, it's like saying you won't make a shooter because someone else is already doing it. I think they are passing up on a good theater, same with western europe because they don't want to make heavy bombers for some reason. I would gladly help fund the development of heavy bombers if they are willing to add them.

Jason said that they don't want to have trouble with Team Fusion again so they will leave to them Malta and Africa and they will see in the future IF a mediterranean theatre could be profitable.

About the your second problem: heavy bombers. The actual game's engine can't support 4 engines planes and because actual maps are "small" an heavy strategic bomber will be useless and unplayable even in multiplayer.

Third thing to say: game's graphics engine is designed to load map and objects with distances less than 10km. They are thinking about improve that (expecially for the Pacific theatre but it's difficult to do so because this is going to use a lot more of cpu and graphic card power.

Last thing about new theatres: developers received pressure to develop the Pacific theatre ASAP to sell more copies of the game to Americans, Australians exc... so Kuban will not be (in my opinion) too detailed in the close release time. They said that they have a very small development team and few money so they have to chop many big things untill they will start to sell more copies!

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Jason said that they don't want to have trouble with Team Fusion again so they will leave to them Malta and Africa and they will see in the future IF a mediterranean theatre could be profitable.

About the your second problem: heavy bombers. The actual game's engine can't support 4 engines planes and because actual maps are "small" an heavy strategic bomber will be useless and unplayable even in multiplayer.

Third thing to say: game's graphics engine is designed to load map and objects with distances less than 10km. They are thinking about improve that (expecially for the Pacific theatre but it's difficult to do so because this is going to use a lot more of cpu and graphic card power.

Last thing about new theatres: developers received pressure to develop the Pacific theatre ASAP to sell more copies of the game to Americans, Australians exc... so Kuban will not be (in my opinion) too detailed in the close release time. They said that they have a very small development team and few money so they have to chop many big things untill they will start to sell more copies!

Ah I see. I was hoping we could eventually get some heavy bombers. The small map doesn't bother me, we could just have the bombers start on the very edges of the maps and fly in to the objectives.

 

I had the most fun in 1946 flying bombers and those maps were pretty small and the number of bombers were pretty limited but we still had fun.

 

I know quite a few people who are willing to fly bomber formations online if we were to get the heavies, even if it's only 10-12 bombers in formation that's still extremely fun and enjoyable.

 

Heavy bombers would be a huge selling point for this game and I hope they are able to work on the engine so it can support them. They could even sell the bombers as a premium, I know I'd pay $50-60 or more per bomber just to see heavies in-game. I'd help fund the project to if they were willing to take it on.

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This would be very interesting as well as a challenging theatre.  Wish it was here already!

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Ciao Alessandro!

Anche a me piacerebbe molto!

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Count me in!

 

Any idea for the map? Lots of interesting battlegrounds to cover (e.g. Malta, Sicilly, the italian mainland, Sardinia and Corsica, Maybe a part of southeastern France?).

 

Yay for more Maccis, Fiats and medium sized bombers.

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This is an old thread but looking back at it, I'd prefer a 43-44 scenario and not just a mid 44. 

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Although the chance that we get any Italian theatre map appears to be very distant,

I would love it, as it is a splendid reason to fly SAAF Spits over Italy

and enjoy the landscape :)

 

 

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On 7/15/2018 at 3:33 PM, Bremspropeller said:

Count me in!

 

Any idea for the map? Lots of interesting battlegrounds to cover (e.g. Malta, Sicilly, the italian mainland, Sardinia and Corsica, Maybe a part of southeastern France?).

 

Yay for more Maccis, Fiats and medium sized bombers.

 

On 7/29/2018 at 7:28 PM, Legioneod said:

This is an old thread but looking back at it, I'd prefer a 43-44 scenario and not just a mid 44. 

 

On 7/29/2018 at 5:00 PM, Rolling_Thunder said:

Did I miss some geological shift somewhere? The last time I looked Italy was in Europe. 

Well, thank you for your answers!

I said that the official game will not cover southern italy/North Africa

I think that an adriatic side map with center and northern italy in 1944 would be the best option. Because in 1944 we will have the very best italian planes, we'll have every famous american and english planes too. AND.... a group of YAK3 from URSS too! They flew from southern Italy airfields to support Tito's partisans. In that map we will have alps mountains and seaside too!

 

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41 minutes ago, =FEW=ayamoth89 said:

I think that an adriatic side map with center and northern italy in 1944 would be the best option.

You have Italians fighting Italians then. With a little help from new and old friends.

 

In this case it would be the Battle of Rimini (Gothic Line). But there was no significant air combat besides bombing Italian towns to ruins and dust. 

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21 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

Would that include Venice and the Po valley?

mmm well maybe venice area as a corner of the map. Central area should be more north west of  that city.

21 hours ago, ZachariasX said:

You have Italians fighting Italians then. With a little help from new and old friends.

 

In this case it would be the Battle of Rimini (Gothic Line). But there was no significant air combat besides bombing Italian towns to ruins and dust. 

Actually italians didn't fight against italians by Allied choice. The co-belligerant air force fought only against germans and hungarians mainly.

About significant air combat.... Well yes it was a secondary theater of war. But every kind of plane in every role fought in center Italy.

If we move this in mid 1943 maybe we have more actions going on but with not any new interesting planes

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3 hours ago, =FEW=ayamoth89 said:

About significant air combat.... Well yes it was a secondary theater of war. But every kind of plane in every role fought in center Italy.

I am not that familiar with the details of these operations, but maybe you can tell me, were Serie 5 Italian fighters used in that campaign and if so, to what extent?

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35 minutes ago, ZachariasX said:

I am not that familiar with the details of these operations, but maybe you can tell me, were Serie 5 Italian fighters used in that campaign and if so, to what extent?

 

well the g55 was mainly used by the axis side. The first planes were used in Sardinia with Mc 202 and 205 in June 1943.

Another squadron was formed near Rome to protect the city from enemy bombers but when Italy called for peace (8th september 1943) only 43 g55 were in use mainly near Turin and center Italy-Sardinia. After that date, 50 planes more or less were captured by LW and A.N.R.

164 g55 were produced in 1944 and every plane lost in the italian squadrons was replaced by 109G series. So they ought mainly against american bombers and ground attackers (and their escort offcourse)

According to some italian pilots it was a tipical italian planes: agile, fast and extremely aerobatic but not enough firepower (due to the quality of the weapons), poor assembly quality, bad radios and too much maintenance needed. Below 3000meters it was way better than every allied planes (according to them) but at high alt its engine was not powerful enought to be at the same level of the allied fighters. Anyway they shot down mainly p-47, b25 and marauders. Some heavy bombers too

Mc 205 Veltro was the most produced series 5 fighters.

Fought from the first months of 1943 until July from Pantelleria island and Sicily to Tunisia where they were very successful against spitfire Vb and p-40.

Other squadrons faced Doolittle's heavy bombers in defense of Rome and its region from june to august 1943

After Italy's defeat, 68 planes were in south Italy where they were used by the allied forces

In northern Italy they fought very successfully since january 1944 against B-17 and their escort fighters over the Piedmont and Liguria skies to stop factories and ports bombing.

Their number was so little that they stopped fighting sorties in june 1944 and were replaced by g55 and 109

 

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I really like the idea of an Italian setting for IL2, even more than I would like the Pacific. Starting on 13 February 1944 (start of the battle of Monte Cassino) and ending on 2 May 1945 (capitulation of the German forces in Italy) the map would cover the area of central Italy from the Gustav line up to the area around Bologna. This map would be comparable in size to the Bodenplatte map.

 

Possible planeset:

 

Allies: 

Supermarine Spitfire Mk.VIIIB
Hawker Typhoon Mk.IIb
North American P.51B Mustang
Boeing B.24 Liberator

 

Axis:

Macchi C.205 Veltro
Messerschmitt Bf.109 G-10
Focke-Wulf Fw.190 A-6
Dornier Do 217

 

Premium aircraft:

De Havilland 98 Mosquito

Fiat G.55 Centauro


 

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1 hour ago, Flying_Bear said:

I really like the idea of an Italian setting for IL2, even more than I would like the Pacific. Starting on 13 February 1944 (start of the battle of Monte Cassino) and ending on 2 May 1945 (capitulation of the German forces in Italy) the map would cover the area of central Italy from the Gustav line up to the area around Bologna. This map would be comparable in size to the Bodenplatte map.

 

Possible planeset:

 

Allies: 

Supermarine Spitfire Mk.VIIIB
Hawker Typhoon Mk.IIb
North American P.51B Mustang
Boeing B.24 Liberator

 

Axis:

Macchi C.205 Orione
Messerschmitt Bf.109 G-10
Focke-Wulf Fw.190 A-6
Dornier Do 217

 

Premium aircraft:

De Havilland 98 Mosquito

Fiat G.55 Centauro


 

Im all for Italy and see this as realy atractive area for this game.

There was no Typhoons in Italy, also dont think well get any 4 engine bombers in this game, so maybe replace that 2 with something els.

 

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2 hours ago, 77.CountZero said:

also dont think well get any 4 engine bombers in this game, so maybe replace that 2 with something els.

B 26 Marauder  with B 25 were a lot present in Italy during that time

300px-B_26.jpg

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Some yak 9 fought in southern italy too. 

Despite the map design which could have alps or appennin's peaks, valleys and seaside, the plane set will be 75% already done. Having RAF, USAF, LW and the italian air force I think will be very interesting.

A good plane set will feature also a ju88 P version for ground attack, and, as ITAF_Rani said, B26 and B25. Maybe Me210/410 that I expected for Bodenplatte first.

What about a Mosquito?

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4 hours ago, 77.CountZero said:

Im all for Italy and see this as realy atractive area for this game.

There was no Typhoons in Italy, also dont think well get any 4 engine bombers in this game, so maybe replace that 2 with something els.

 

Thanks, I didn't know the Typhoons weren't used in Italy. What about the Tempest Mk. II? And the B 25 instead of 26

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30 minutes ago, Flying_Bear said:

Thanks, I didn't know the Typhoons weren't used in Italy. What about the Tempest Mk. II? And the B 25 instead of 26

No Tempest also, planty of B-25 and B-26 as Rani say before its more realistic option for bomber

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37 minutes ago, 77.CountZero said:

No Tempest also, planty of B-25 and B-26 as Rani say before its more realistic option for bomber

Guess the Yak-3 is a possibility then, although the suggested map wouldn't cover any territory in Yugoslavia.

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1 hour ago, Flying_Bear said:

Guess the Yak-3 is a possibility then, although the suggested map wouldn't cover any territory in Yugoslavia.

 

I dont know of any Yak-3 squadron that was based in Italy, most fighting over Yugoslavia and NDH were from bases there. You have planty options for Allied fighter or fighter bomber: Hurricane Mk.IV, Spitfire Mk.IXc, Beaufighter Mk.VIF, P-39Q, P-47D22, P-47D30, A-36A... you can leve Yaks for some future late war east front no need to push them on Italy area.

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14 minutes ago, 77.CountZero said:

 

I dont know of any Yak-3 squadron that was based in Italy, most fighting over Yugoslavia and NDH were from bases there. You have planty options for Allied fighter or fighter bomber: Hurricane Mk.IV, Spitfire Mk.IXc, Beaufighter Mk.VIF, P-39Q, P-47D22, P-47D30, A-36A... you can leve Yaks for some future late war east front no need to push them on Italy area.

 

Mine was just an overall information about aerial war in Italy. All the 5th generation italian fighters(Macchi 205, Fiat G.55 and Reggiane RE.55) were good planes and a good add to the axis flyable planeset and could be fit in the game... Don't know about developer's work on finding accurate infos about everyplane, they will probably be too hard to find

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