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[curiousGamblerr]

Re, Thanks for your help.

 

I make:

1) choose moscow map

2) add icons / airbase

3) start streaming (test_Genius / password: Genius)

 

When you finish to edit the map, stop streaming is needed/availuable ? Other players can still connect to this map if "stop streaming" are applied (the map still appear on the connect list) ?

 

How much long is this map allowed ?

 

Thanks

 

Genius

 

 

P.S.: you can test "test_Genius" map. I don't click to "stop streaming"

 

Thanks for the details. I was able to connect to your test map and see a few icons.

 

"Stop streaming" is not necessary unless you want to stop sending your map edits to the stream. It does not actually delete the map from the list, and others can connect until the stream expires and is deleted from the list. I believe I've set maps to expire 12 hours after the last time they were changed/edited.

 

Does that answer your questions? Feel free to ask more, I'm happy to help. 

[IRRE_Genius]

Thanks for the details. I was able to connect to your test map and see a few icons.

 

"Stop streaming" is not necessary unless you want to stop sending your map edits to the stream. It does not actually delete the map from the list, and others can connect until the stream expires and is deleted from the list. I believe I've set maps to expire 12 hours after the last time they were changed/edited.

 

Does that answer your questions? Feel free to ask more, I'm happy to help. 

 

Yes, thanks.

 

I will made more test later.

 

Salute !

 

Genius

[JimTM]

Hi curiousGamblerr,

 

I can't seem to export mission plans in Chrome or IE.

 

Chrome v58.0.3029.110

  I click "Export Mission Plan" and nothing happens. No error message.

 

IE v11.0.9600.18665

  I click "Export Mission Plan" and a new webpage opens with "The webpage cannot be displayed".
  "Most likely cause: Some content or files on this webpage require a program that you don't have installed."

 

Can you advise on what to check for please. I can provide more information if you let me know what you need.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim

[No_85_Gramps]

I get the same error in IE 11, same version. In Chrome, same version, it works fine. Gotta love computers.

[curiousGamblerr]

Thanks for letting me know guys 

 

The export function is sort of thrown together and could use some work anyway. I'll take a look at it and see what I can do.

[curiousGamblerr]

Hey guys, a random collection of updates:

 

1) I looked into the download problem. I wasn't able to recreate the error, but frankly the way the download feature works is crap anyway. I'm planning to redo it soon so it works like a normal download instead of just giving you the text. I originally didn't bother with this because cross-browser compatibility is an issue, and I know for sure IE 11 is going to give me trouble. But I'm going to try anyway.

 

2) Crusader, Temuri and any other server owners interested in integrating with il2missionplanner like Random Expert has done- I'm going to revamp that feature and generalize the pattern to make it easy for any additional servers to integrate, without changes to the mission planner. It might take a while, but sit tight for new on that feature.

 

3) In general, I'm making plans for a "version 2" of the planner. There are a few things from the very beginning that have always bugged me and lots of changes I want to make. These include SSL, a better UI, a more powerful and robust backend API, and improving the streaming feature to put pilots in a "room" with multiple flight leaders plotting at once. These are some big changes I'm mentioning, and won't be around anytime soon, but I have hope I'll be able to do some cool things with the planner through the end of 2017.

 

4) Last but not least, I had an unfortunate thing happen recently: My AWS free-tier trial ended, so my costs for the mission planner went from $5 per month to about $20. Wicked lame, but fortunately I can afford it and the planner isn't going anywhere. If you are interested in helping out, however, I've broken down and made a Patreon page here: https://www.patreon.com/il2missionplanner - thanks very much if you decide to throw me a dollar to offset infrastructure costs 

 

That's it, for now...

Edited June 8, 2017 by 19//curiousGamblerr

[Retnek]

Just an addition: Firefox in the last versions wasn't able to export, too. I searched my HD, checked the usually suspicious, strange places deep down in my windows profile - nothing. So I dare to say it wasn't written.

[curiousGamblerr]

Just an addition: Firefox in the last versions wasn't able to export, too. I searched my HD, checked the usually suspicious, strange places deep down in my windows profile - nothing. So I dare to say it wasn't written.

Yeah no file is supposed to be written. It should open a new tab with some text in it. You can save that as a plain text file and upload it later to restore the map.

 

Thing is, opening a tab like that instead of actually saving a file is weird and unweildy, as you've all noticed, so I'm hoping to improve it.

Edited June 9, 2017 by curiusVonGambler

[Lord_Flasheart]

This is a fantastic tool! 

 

3. Timestamp on legs

It would be really interesting option if the waypoint line would include a series of 1-minute breaks/points/or very small markers that would indicate to the pilot where on the leg he is or should rather should be according the route.

This could be done by interrupting the line with a small x or a point.. or something that is subtle yet informative.

Normal flight plans just include the hdg/alt/etc, but since you already included the speed option, this could be a neat function?

 

In this the pilot would cross reference if he is on time or behind or forward etc.  This would look something like this along the path

------------ . ------------- . -------------  or ----------- | --------- | --------------  or maybe even the time stamp with micro font of time or minute number? 

------------ 1 ------------- 2 -------------  or ----------- hh:mm --------- mm:ss -------------- 

 

Hi curiousGamblerr, thanks so much for the effort on this map program. It's fantastic. Could I please second what Petter has requested with the minute check marks? Keep up the good work.

 

Cheers, Greacey

[curiousGamblerr]

Glad you like it Greacey!

 

I'll have to think about that suggestion- might be possible to adjust the arrows on the line to be exactly 10km apart, which would probably be sufficient? I'm unlikely to want to deal with the complexity of calculating time marks, but I'll take a look.

[Reaperr]

Hello i'm really like your'e tool great work on that. But i noticed that times are inaccurate compering to real stopwatch, so i did little test.

 

MY TEST: Consist of pe-2 ser 87 with 2x 500kg bombs flying at 300kmh. I try to keep speed as close to 300kmh as posible but there was +,- 10kmh wariation. My timing was every 10 km then 20 km and 30km. i did this test 3 times with 2 different stopwatch.

First test spawn on runaway after take off and ratcheting 300 kmh i start clock i did slight climb as you usually do with bomber passing 10km, 2min 26 sec. Passing 20km, 4min  48sec. Passing 30km, 7min 10 sec.

Test nr2. spawn at 1000m level fly reduce speed to 300 kmh when speed stabilized start the clock. passing 10km mark 2min 24 sec, passing 20km mark 4min 52 sec. and passing 30km mark 7 min 08sec.

Test nr3 spawn at 2500 supercharger gear-2 did slight climb, reduce speed when stabilized start the clock at 10km 2min 25sec passing 20km 4min 45sec and passing 30km 7min 11sec

and according to mission planer at 10km 2min 00sec at 20km 4 min 00sec and at 30km 6min 00sec.

 

Don't get my wrong i like tool and i want it to be successful , but is very easy to miss target if you fly at long distance at expert servers without navigation aids. Unless i did something incorrect then let me know, then will apologize. Or if you want i can redo test or do different one just let me know.

[curiousGamblerr]

Hello i'm really like your'e tool great work on that. But i noticed that times are inaccurate compering to real stopwatch, so i did little test.

 

MY TEST: Consist of pe-2 ser 87 with 2x 500kg bombs flying at 300kmh. I try to keep speed as close to 300kmh as posible but there was +,- 10kmh wariation. My timing was every 10 km then 20 km and 30km. i did this test 3 times with 2 different stopwatch.

First test spawn on runaway after take off and ratcheting 300 kmh i start clock i did slight climb as you usually do with bomber passing 10km, 2min 26 sec. Passing 20km, 4min  48sec. Passing 30km, 7min 10 sec.

Test nr2. spawn at 1000m level fly reduce speed to 300 kmh when speed stabilized start the clock. passing 10km mark 2min 24 sec, passing 20km mark 4min 52 sec. and passing 30km mark 7 min 08sec.

Test nr3 spawn at 2500 supercharger gear-2 did slight climb, reduce speed when stabilized start the clock at 10km 2min 25sec passing 20km 4min 45sec and passing 30km 7min 11sec

and according to mission planer at 10km 2min 00sec at 20km 4 min 00sec and at 30km 6min 00sec.

 

Don't get my wrong i like tool and i want it to be successful , but is very easy to miss target if you fly at long distance at expert servers without navigation aids. Unless i did something incorrect then let me know, then will apologize. Or if you want i can redo test or do different one just let me know.

 

Hello,

 

There's no need for any manual testing to prove the correctness of the timing. It's a simple matter of arithmetic- If you have the route speed and distance, calculating the time is simple.

 

Recall that speed is equal to distance over time. Therefore time is equal to distance over speed. Since speed is given in kilometers per hour, speed over distance gives the time in hours. Multiply by 60 to get the time in minutes, or by 3600 to get the time in seconds.

 

As an example, assume 10km at 300kph. Divide 10km by 300km/h to yield .0333...h, multiplied by 3600 you get get 120 seconds, or two minutes. You can see the mission planner matches this perfectly.

 

What likely happened is you failed to account for wind. Over a long flight, strong winds can make a huge difference. I would like to incorporate wind calculations into the planner, but haven't done so yet and am unsure when I will have time.

 

Alternatively, its possible there is a bug somewhere in the calculations (heck, it could even be my conversion from seconds to MM:SS or something has a bug). If you do more tests, consider calculating the theoretical time and seeing if it matches the planner, as opposed to measuring by hand. Hand measurements are bound to have errors in addition to the wind issue I mentioned, so they can't be trusted as much as theoretical calculations.

 

Thanks for bringing it up though, even if nothing is wrong. I appreciate everyone's help tracking down bugs. Let me know if you still have concerns!

[Reaperr]

Hello,

 

There's no need for any manual testing to prove the correctness of the timing. It's a simple matter of arithmetic- If you have the route speed and distance, calculating the time is simple.

 

Recall that speed is equal to distance over time. Therefore time is equal to distance over speed. Since speed is given in kilometers per hour, speed over distance gives the time in hours. Multiply by 60 to get the time in minutes, or by 3600 to get the time in seconds.

 

As an example, assume 10km at 300kph. Divide 10km by 300km/h to yield .0333...h, multiplied by 3600 you get get 120 seconds, or two minutes. You can see the mission planner matches this perfectly.

 

What likely happened is you failed to account for wind. Over a long flight, strong winds can make a huge difference. I would like to incorporate wind calculations into the planner, but haven't done so yet and am unsure when I will have time.

 

Alternatively, its possible there is a bug somewhere in the calculations (heck, it could even be my conversion from seconds to MM:SS or something has a bug). If you do more tests, consider calculating the theoretical time and seeing if it matches the planner, as opposed to measuring by hand. Hand measurements are bound to have errors in addition to the wind issue I mentioned, so they can't be trusted as much as theoretical calculations.

 

Thanks for bringing it up though, even if nothing is wrong. I appreciate everyone's help tracking down bugs. Let me know if you still have concerns!

In that case i do apologize for my error i'm sorry. might by you can help me how to account for wind if there is some kind of simple formula, thanks for replay i appreciated 

[curiousGamblerr]

No need to apologize! If I find time later I'll try to share some information about accounting for wind, but Google should also give you some info. Happy flying 

[3rd-BG_Concho]

Hello Gamblerr !

 

Thanks for creating this tool !  My question is, when do you plan to add the Kuban map into this tool for mission planning ?  Thanks in advance.

 

 

[curiousGamblerr]

Hello Gamblerr !

 

Thanks for creating this tool !  My question is, when do you plan to add the Kuban map into this tool for mission planning ?  Thanks in advance.

 

 

I'll get the tiles when the map is released to the public and add the map to the planner that day or the next 

[3rd-BG_Concho]

Thankyou !    

[sergio_]

Happy customer here and new Patreon'er.

 

I know you are busy enough and with already things in your future implementation list, so take this just as a suggestion: When settin up the next waypoint, while draggin what will be the waypoint, a label reads "Click to continue the flight plan". Now, it would be awesome if that label showed the course and distance from the previous waypoint.

 

That would work as I imagine an actual map would work. The pilot can mark a point in the map and label it with the hour when he was there. After, let's say, 6 minutes, he can draw a line in the map with the course he's been following and reaching as far as the distance the pilot estimates he has run. Yes, it's not the flight plan itself, but it is the pilot drawing in his map while flying, traking his position.

 

Well, thank you for having created this tool!

[curiousGamblerr]

Hey there Amnesic-

 

Thanks for the kind words and thank you very much for contributing to the Patreon! I had almost forgotten I set that up!

 

Your suggestion is a good one and I would love to include it in the planner sometime. The challenge is that the line drawing code is not my own, but part of the underlying map framework I used to create the planner (called Leaflet btw). This doesn't mean it's impossible to add this feature, just slightly more challenging to integrate. In addition to your suggestion, I would also like to make the Shift key lock the line to 90, 180, 270 or 360 degrees so it's easier to plot a direct course in any of the four cardinal directions, but this faces the same integration challenge.

 

Kuban will be released soon, at which point I'll have to add the Kuban map to the planner. I'm hoping I find the motivation to do a few more things at the same time, and might look into this then. Unfortunately I can't make any promises tho (however as winter gets here I will surely have more time inside and am more likely to work on the planner, so perhaps then).

 

Again, thank you so much for your Patreon pledge. It means a lot!

[curiousGamblerr]

FYI-

 

I plan to add the new Kuban map to the mission planner tomorrow after work. Today, I'm too excited and just want to fly it!

 

Stay tuned...

[Habu]

FYI-

 

I plan to add the new Kuban map to the mission planner tomorrow after work. Today, I'm too excited and just want to fly it!

 

Stay tuned...

I think we can understand.

 

If you have the map in jpg, i'm interrest.

 

Edit : Wait, the map displayed in game have some parts missing. Problem has been reported.

Edited August 30, 2017 by Habu

[curiousGamblerr]

Hey Habu, can you elaborate on the map missing some parts? What exactly is it missing, and would you mind linking me to the report?

 

Thanks!

[Habu]

Here is a video i made for the bug report. You should understand.

[curiousGamblerr]

Gotcha, thanks. 

 

I'm going to move forward with the tiles I have, just to get something out there, but if they fix that please let me know and I'll look into regenerating the tiles.

[Habu]

Ok.

[curiousGamblerr]

Copying this from the patch thread...

 

I just added Kuban to il2missionplanner.com! I've linked directly to it there, but you can choose it like any other map, in the Settings menu accessed via the "Gear" button on the bottom right. If it doesn't load or you don't see the Kuban option in the map list, use Ctrl+F5 to force refresh the page and disregard your cache (Cmd+Shift+R on OSX).

 

Also, I consolidated some backend stuff to lower my costs a bit, so those Patreon pledge dollars will go further now    (thanks again Amnesic).

 

Please be on the lookout for bugs regarding the Kuban map and the Mission Streaming feature and report them in the mission planner thread in the 3rd Party Tools subforum if you find anything wrong (besides the export function not working in all browsers, which is on my list to fix)

 

Enjoy!

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Nice one Gambler!

[curiousGamblerr]

Thanks F/JG300_Gruber for becoming the second patron of il2missionplanner!

[SKG51_Axel]

I was using this great tool on my IPAD under IOS. I am using Chrome as a browser.

This has been working until these days.

Now when opening the IL2missionplanner with Chrome  under IOS my screen stays white.

The same happens with Firefox under IOS.

Has anybody seen this as well? Any idea how to get it working again under IOS?

[curiousGamblerr]

I was using this great tool on my IPAD under IOS. I am using Chrome as a browser.

This has been working until these days.

Now when opening the IL2missionplanner with Chrome  under IOS my screen stays white.

The same happens with Firefox under IOS.

Has anybody seen this as well? Any idea how to get it working again under IOS?

 

Sorry to hear that Axel, and thanks for reporting the issue here. The latest mission planner update seems to be working fine on my iPhone running iOS, on both Safari and Firefox (didn't try Chrome). Have you tried Safari?

 

I don't have an iPad to test with at the moment, but one suggestion is to make sure everything is updated (iOS and Chrome/Firefox). Also try clearing your browser data (I'm not completely sure how off the top of my head, but I'm sure you can Google it).

 

I will have access to an iPad when I return to work on Tuesday and I can test then. We'll get this figured out for you 

[SKG51_Axel]

Thank you for the quick reply.

I've just checked with my IPHONE (6s) and Chrome and there it works fine.

The have different iOS versions istalled.

IPHONE: 10.3.3

IPAD: 9.3.5 (latest SW)

Safari is also working fine with your tool on the IPHONE but not on the IPAD.

I've cleared now the different browser-caches several times, but without success.

I've tried Firefox as well, same issue.

Looks like a specific IPAD problem.

Strange, it has worked for month.

[curiousGamblerr]

I uploaded the previous version of the planner to one of my dev environments: http://dev2.il2missionplanner.com/

 

Can you try that and let me know if it works again? It's exactly as it was before my Kuban updates, except on minor detail. Whether it works or not, it will help me understand what the issue is so let me know.

 

Thanks for the version info btw.

[SKG51_Axel]

So the dev environment is working fine on my IPAD with Chrome and Firefox.

Safari works as well. :)

[curiousGamblerr]

Glad to hear it! It doesn't have Kuban, but you can use that in the meantime until I figure out what broke in my latest update.

[SKG51_Axel]

Great. Thanks a lot!! :salute:

[curiousGamblerr]

Axel,

 

My apologies but I'm sitting here at a bar on Friday night and remembered I totally forgot to check the planner on iPad this week. I'm sorry.

 

I will try to remember to do some debugging when I'm back at work Monday, Hopefully missing the Kuban map isn't too big of a deal so far. Still perplexed what might have caused this bug on iPad with the addition of that map.

[56RAF_Roblex]

Thank you for this tool.  It is fantastic.   Will be even better when it allows you to save again.

 

Just a suggestion for allowing for wind:-   If the pilot has the option to put in a start marker on a long leg of the flightplan then put down another marker showing where he actually ended up after X minutes while following the suggested bearing then you will have all the info you need to calculate a triangle of velocities and see what the wind speed and bearing is and so recalc all the headings and leg times. The longer the leg, the more accurate the recalc.

 

I have to admit I don't know if you will find that easier or harder than just asking the pilot to type in the wind details when he starts.  Though if he is planning days in advance he might not know what the wind details will be. 

[56RAF_Roblex]

BTW, someone asked how he could calc his route by hand to account for wind.   Here is a rough illustration of the basic concept,

 

You will see most examples showing a  Triangle of velocities in terms of velocities,as the name implies :-),  but for your purposes it is better  to use time.

 

NOTE: This is a hand drawn diagram with approximated lengths & vectors so not exactly accurate.  Same goes for the answers I come up with. They are just representative.  If you get a piece of paper and draw it with exact lengths and angles then your answer for A-C will be correct.

 

Imagine you want to fly from A to B which is 200 miles on heading 300 at 100mph so would take 120 minutes to complete.

The wind is actually 20mph from your 2 o/c so will slow you down and blow you to the left.

 

1) Draw a line A-B 120mm long at a bearing of 300 and this represents the direction and how long you need to fly (in minutes) to get from A to B at 100mph with no wind.  

 

2) Now draw a line from B in the direction the wind is blowing *from* and of a length equal in mm to how far the wind will have travelled in 120 minutes. Wind is 20mph so it will travel 40 miles in 120 minutes so draw a line 40mm long.

 

3) Draw a line from A to C to complete the triangle and measure the distance and the bearing of A-C. If it is 150mm at 330 degrees this means you need to point your nose 330 degrees and fly for 150 minutes.  

    You will actually be flying along the A-B line at less than 100mph with you nose set at a 30degree angle to your vector over the ground.

 

Stop reading now if that did not make sense as anything below will just confuse you more. :-)    Also stop if that answers your needs and you don't need it elaborated.

 

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If you calculate it all using Velocities then you still get the same shaped triangle and the bearing of A-C will still be 330 but the length will be 80mm telling you how far you will have traveled after one hour so your actual velocity over the ground is 80MPH. You would then have to do another calculation to work out how long you will then need to fly for to cover the required miles from A-B.  It is a simple calculation but by using Time that step is avoided.   

Before anyone complains,  yes there valid reasons why someone might want the Ground Speed calculated but here our pilot just wants to know which way to point his nose and what time he will arrive over his destination.

 

As an addendum, and erase it from your mind if it just confuses you,  you can also work out an unknown wind direction and speed mid-flight  (or maybe your passenger can) by using a similar method.

 

Draw A-B as before but on your map.

After one hour look on the map to see where you actually are.

Draw a line from that point to the point on A-B where you expected to be after 1 hour and the angle will be the wind direction and the length will be the velocity.

It is really the same triangle but showing what would have happened if you had instead wanted to fly 330 degrees from A to C at 100mph and ignored the wind ie you would end up too far south and having only travelled 80 miles over the ground after 1 hour.

 

If anyone sees any errors speak out as I have not drawn such a triangle for at least 35 years and was doing the maths in my fuzzy sleep deprived head :-)  Even 35 years ago pilots were actually doing the calculations with specialised slide-rules and now use electronics or apps but in my experience a lot of novice pilots ended up entering the wind component wrongly then flying the wrong way without realising because they did not understand the triangle principal behind it.    If you want to quibble about my method then only do it if you think it makes it clearer for a novice navigator, not so you can show your greater command of big words & jargon :-P

Edited September 10, 2017 by 56RAF_Roblex

[SKG51_Axel]

Axel,

 

My apologies but I'm sitting here at a bar on Friday night and remembered I totally forgot to check the planner on iPad this week. I'm sorry.

 

I will try to remember to do some debugging when I'm back at work Monday, Hopefully missing the Kuban map isn't too big of a deal so far. Still perplexed what might have caused this bug on iPad with the addition of that map.

No problem. Please take your time.

[[DBS]El_Marta]

I get the following when I go to the mission planner

 

 

503 Slow Down

• Code: SlowDown
• Message: Please reduce your request rate.
• RequestId: D37E2DBBEF83C32F
• HostId: l853lxFlCK8JYPFDo2VOKpEr9Lyzxi5DuLHsocWMuvQhtOpqWeYu85u2U9thwVZvQq/xFPrj220=

 

Edited September 14, 2017 by [DBS]El_Marta