Tactical Air War

[Cpt_Siddy]

2 hours ago, JaffaCake said:

 

 

I don't see how flying red is hard - you have technochat for all possible errors you could be making... Wrong mixture? Heres a handy warning to tell you about it! Engine overheating? Don't need to watch the dials - technochat is here to save the day. Set some weird RPM/Throttle settings? technochat will tell you what mode you are flying in, so you don't burn your engine by doing emergency by accident!

 

Literally the only difference between flying LW and VVS is that on the VVS side you need to have a few more buttons mapped and be able to respond to technochat warnings. Oh and I guess change supercharger gear when you pass 2.5km alt. I can see how it could be daunting for a complete new player - but those generally stay in single player.

 

You are forgetting who are we dealing with here. There is some that think automatic gears are hard now days. 

 

The divide between people who want to learn even simplest of things, and the instant gratification crowd grows wider every day. 

When you are a new pilot who has literally no prior experience of flying, being told that "TAW is fun, you should join", take a guess, what side they go fly first. 

 

Now, i might be completely wrong, and there is some other reasons why Axis can snatch the defeat from the jaws of victory in such a prodigious manner. I have only my personal experiences of how i started, how i progressed and what i encounter to go by. But something tells me it is not the OP Soviet planes or red AAA....

[JaffaCake]

1 hour ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

You are forgetting who are we dealing with here. There is some that think automatic gears are hard now days. 

 

The divide between people who want to learn even simplest of things, and the instant gratification crowd grows wider every day. 

When you are a new pilot who has literally no prior experience of flying, being told that "TAW is fun, you should join", take a guess, what side they go fly first. 

 

Now, i might be completely wrong, and there is some other reasons why Axis can snatch the defeat from the jaws of victory in such a prodigious manner. I have only my personal experiences of how i started, how i progressed and what i encounter to go by. But something tells me it is not the OP Soviet planes or red AAA....

 

 

I would not consider people paying this much money and having this much patience to learn to take off in an aircraft as the kind "that think automatic gears are hard".

 

Technochat literally takes away any difference in "complexity of engine management" between LW or VVS aircraft. Its like driving a manual with an on-screen display that tells you "you need to press A to change gear now", and without having to ever bother with the clutch.

[Cpt_Siddy]

10 minutes ago, JaffaCake said:

 

 

I would not consider people paying this much money and having this much patience to learn to take off in an aircraft as the kind "that think automatic gears are hard".

 

Technochat literally takes away any difference in "complexity of engine management" between LW or VVS aircraft. Its like driving a manual with an on-screen display that tells you "you need to press A to change gear now", and without having to ever bother with the clutch.

 

 

Then to what would you attribute this widely reported discrepancy in the pilot discipline?  (Skill is wrong term to use in here, as one can be skilled and undisciplined)

It is true that sims are somewhat of heavy on the equipment side, but i've seen my shares of people asking for "good cheap" joystick and complaining that they had no track IR, even tho making one costs u less than 25 bucks. (And assumes you are not some who have never hold a sodder iron in his life, and even then there still hope for you if there is will).

 

And there is reason why there is "Hartmann" meme going around, even tho some people get colossally offended by it. (And you know who you are).

Edited March 15, 2018 by Cpt_Siddy

[JaffaCake]

9 minutes ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

Then to what would you attribute this widely reported discrepancy in the pilot discipline?  (Skill is wrong term to use in here, as one can be skilled and undisciplined)

It is true that sims are somewhat of heavy on the equipment side, but i've seen my shares of people asking for "good cheap" joystick and complaining that they had no track IR, even tho making one costs u less than 25 bucks. (And assumes you are not some who have never hold a sodder iron in his life, and even then there still hope for you if there is will).

 

And there is reason why there is "Hartmann" meme going around, even tho some people get colossally offended by it. (And you know who you are).

 

 

I'd attribute it mostly to the surrounding hype - nobody wants to fly an "inferior" plane. At the end of the day the newbies don't realise that they would perform better in a vvs aircraft, which is a better turn fighter, than if they flew a 109 and ended up turning with a competent yak anyway as they know no better.

 

The whole argument that "engine management is complex" is really silly. I'd love to see technochat completely removed and get stats on how many so-called vvs aces will burn their engines in the first few dogfights. 

[Carl_infar]

1 hour ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

You are forgetting who are we dealing with here. There is some that think automatic gears are hard now days. 

 

The divide between people who want to learn even simplest of things, and the instant gratification crowd grows wider every day. 

When you are a new pilot who has literally no prior experience of flying, being told that "TAW is fun, you should join", take a guess, what side they go fly first. 

 

Now, i might be completely wrong, and there is some other reasons why Axis can snatch the defeat from the jaws of victory in such a prodigious manner. I have only my personal experiences of how i started, how i progressed and what i encounter to go by. But something tells me it is not the OP Soviet planes or red AAA....

Unfortunately You are right. The instant gratification crowd grows bigger and bigger and I'm not only speaking about the il2.

 

I remember when many years back as a 16 year old, I started my "adventure" with flying . Each of us was totally focused on learning, we were watching each other take offs and landings to get better, but when I visited last summer my old airclub and seen the new people.... - they were totally not interested in what was going on, instead of watching their collegues flying and learning from their mistakes they were playing with  their phones not even speaking to each other and i wonder if I'll see any of them this year...

[Cpt_Siddy]

1 hour ago, JaffaCake said:

 

 

 

 

The whole argument that "engine management is complex" is really silly. I'd love to see technochat completely removed and get stats on how many so-called vvs aces will burn their engines in the first few dogfights. 

 

 

It is, for us who know better, but those not in the know, find it intimidating to say at least. 

 

And i am all for the removal of tooltips, i stare in to the instrument panel like it is religious icon regardless of what the tooltips say, because they are sometimes misrepresenting the actual situation.  

Edited March 15, 2018 by Cpt_Siddy

[JaffaCake]

24 minutes ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

It is, for us who know better, but those not in the know, find it intimidating to say at least. 

And i am all for the removal of tooltips, i stare in to the instrument panel like it is religious icon regardless of what the tooltips say, because they are sometimes misrepresenting the actual situation.  

 

Glad you are for it too - but until they are removed please do not argue that engine management is "more complex"  There are bigger factors influencing the choice than that. And it certainly doesn't take an ace to learn to respond to technochat.

 

When you say it mis-represents - how so? Generally my belief is that most of the in-game timers are based on the output of technochat - overheat is by technochat (never had the engine fail without technochat warning), engine mode is again, via technochat etc.

[A_radek]

42 minutes ago, JaffaCake said:

 

 

I would not consider people paying this much money and having this much patience to learn to take off in an aircraft as the kind "that think automatic gears are hard".

 

Technochat literally takes away any difference in "complexity of engine management" between LW or VVS aircraft. Its like driving a manual with an on-screen display that tells you "you need to press A to change gear now", and without having to ever bother with the clutch.

I think your right Jaffa. Though I also think you underestimate the casual players (noobs) knowledge of aircraft. Most of us, skilled pilots or not, have a passion for aviation. I'd even say that would be a prerequisite for picking a game of this complexity. I suspect the "noobs" very well know blue aircraft have the performance edge needed to dictate the engagement. Though their skill fails to utilize it, It sure feels good to have it. While from the other side fighting an enemy that has both that one very significant advantage and a stacked team would require the balls most don't have.

The yak really is a no-brainer to fly. But siddy has a point. Getting the most out of a spit, mig or p-40 while in combat, does take a little more attention than just keeeping your hand on the throttle. Hud or not.

[JaffaCake]

1 hour ago, a_radek said:

The yak really is a no-brainer to fly. But siddy has a point. Getting the most out of a spit, mig or p-40 while in combat, does take a little more attention than just keeeping your hand on the throttle. Hud or not.

 

Well we are comparing the top-tier aircraft here. You have to manage rads / rpm on stukas  / he111 / ju / etc.

 

But majority of VVS flying is solved by mapping RPM to throttle axis, making sure you have access to radiator buttons (assuming newb with barebones joystick) and supercharger. You don't even have to bother with mixture - leave it at 100%, there is no penalty in the game for it.

 

Also do not forget that majority of the LW stuff has very tight timers set on them - so you cannot simply go 100% throttle and forget about it until temperature warning shows up. Technochat, at least for me on expert MP servers, does not show "exceeded boost time".

Edited March 15, 2018 by JaffaCake

[Carl_infar]

18 minutes ago, JaffaCake said:

 

Well we are comparing the top-tier aircraft here. You have to manage rads / rpm on stukas  / he111 / ju / etc.

 

But majority of VVS flying is solved by mapping RPM to throttle axis, making sure you have access to radiator buttons (assuming newb with barebones joystick) and supercharger. You don't even have to bother with mixture - leave it at 100%, there is no penalty in the game for it.

 

Also do not forget that majority of the LW stuff has very tight timers set on them - so you cannot simply go 100% throttle and forget about it until temperature warning shows up. Technochat, at least for me on expert MP servers, does not show "exceeded boost time".

This is all true, but as Radek said, You underestimate the casual player knowledge and willingness to learn new things.

 

[A_radek]

41 minutes ago, JaffaCake said:

 

 

 

But majority of VVS flying is solved by mapping RPM to throttle axis, making sure you have access to radiator buttons (assuming newb with barebones joystick) and supercharger. You don't even have to bother with mixture - leave it at 100%, there is no penalty in the game for it.

 

 

Haha good tip! Like an ass I've been flying the spitfire with rpm on a separate rotary. Shows how noob I am. I don't see myself doing this for the p-40 though. Or mig mixture (boost),  yes mig boost has a more generous limit than 109 emergency.

[Padre]

I assure you that we plan to remove technochat as soon as possible. I do not know if this possibility exists after new patch releas, but if so, the new campaigns will be without technochat. 

[Carl_infar]

12 hours ago, =LG=Padre said:

I assure you that we plan to remove technochat as soon as possible. I do not know if this possibility exists after new patch releas, but if so, the new campaigns will be without technochat. 

Personally I have no problem with it, but I'm afraid that the side effect of that change will be such, that even less people will fly the red side, so the blue side will be much more stacked than it was now.

Edited March 16, 2018 by Carl_infar

[Psyrion]

Mapping the rpm to the throttle axis doesn't sound like the best idea. The yak for example goes faster at low altitude when you run it at only 2550 rpm (~84%) while still having the throttle at 100%. And when you get shot in the engine you want to reduce the rpm most of the time to try to save it.

[56RAF_Roblex]

16 hours ago, JaffaCake said:

But majority of VVS flying is solved by mapping RPM to throttle axis,

 

Jeez do people really do this?  I thought people were dumb for linking all their radiators & cowlings together :-)

[JaffaCake]

2 hours ago, Psyrion said:

Mapping the rpm to the throttle axis doesn't sound like the best idea. The yak for example goes faster at low altitude when you run it at only 2550 rpm (~84%) while still having the throttle at 100%. And when you get shot in the engine you want to reduce the rpm most of the time to try to save it.

 

 

We were talking about newbies flying aircraft... in 109 you also can extend your boost by going 100% throttle at lower RPM - but that is no longer full-auto control.

[7.GShAP/Silas]

3 hours ago, Carl_infar said:

Personally I have no problem with it, but I'm afraid that the side effect of that change will be such, that even less people will fly the red side, so the blue side will be much more stacked than it was now.

 

 

Yeah, that would really not be good.  Maybe a more severe balance mechanic would fix that.

[Blackhawk_FR]

2 hours ago, JaffaCake said:

 

 

We were talking about newbies flying aircraft... in 109 you also can extend your boost by going 100% throttle at lower RPM - but that is no longer full-auto control.

 

Without loosing speed? 

edit: Just tried it, it's useless, you're loosing about 10km/h by reducing 100 rpm.

 

17 hours ago, =LG=Padre said:

I assure you that we plan to remove technochat as soon as possible. I do not know if this possibility exists after new patch releas, but if so, the new campaigns will be without technochat. 

 

Padre, is it possible to just add one word in the weather briefing about turbulences? Like none/light/moderate/strong. 

Edited March 16, 2018 by F/JG300_Faucon

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

18 hours ago, =LG=Padre said:

I assure you that we plan to remove technochat as soon as possible. I do not know if this possibility exists after new patch releas, but if so, the new campaigns will be without technochat. 

 

It would be good if you could choose what to show and what to hide. For  example there are controls like radiators that  don't have status indicators in the planes and are controlled by rotating wheels, its not possible to determine how much you are opening them if you dont have them in an axis, while the real pilots did as they operated them manually.

Edited March 16, 2018 by -=PHX=-SuperEtendard

[curiousGamblerr]

20 hours ago, JaffaCake said:

 

But majority of VVS flying is solved by mapping RPM to throttle axis

 

What are you smoking, and where can I get some? 

Edited March 16, 2018 by 19//curiousGamblerr

[=SqSq=switch201]

I have a split throttle, and for single engine planes I map the RPM to the left and the throttle to the right, so I essentially have the same setup as the yak1-b

 

I usually just move the throttle and RPMs together in this case (for fighters) and find that it's easier to control my speed, but maybe that's placebo.

[=LG/F=Kathon]

The new update 3.001 brought great stuff but unfortunately some of them we are not quite happy about:

- Resaver.exe doesn't work (it convert big mission files to small binary files)

- No info about payload and fuel in log files (the script use it)

- Many roads were changed on Kuban map. We have to manually define them for script purpose once again. 

 

Let's hope devs release hotfix very soon. Meanwhile we are fixing bugs and adding new features.

[ACG_Smokejumper]

On 3/15/2018 at 6:32 AM, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

And there is reason why there is "Hartmann" meme going around, even tho some people get colossally offended by it. (And you know who you are).

 

Some of us find it offensive but not for the reasons you think. The reasons I dislike it is the players who use it the most are too often awful community members. I don't care about chute killing, base rape or the variety of play styles from the multitude of personalities. What I do care about is open mocking behaviour within the community. It's the reason I had a solid crack at someone in the forum who has been rather quiet since....

 

It's all too often inaccurate  and unjustified mud slinging. My personal example:  Disarray was calling me this after I withdrew from the objective I had been CAPping post escort. Using the exact argument you have made in this thread stating that I was being useless and that I should cover bombers or something blah blah Hartmann.  When I was no longer able to provide CAP for strangers because the attack had brought in mass VVS  I withdrew towards my next wave of bombers. Disarray went after them a few minutes later and I got to record his aircraft coming apart from my cannon.

 

Fly how you want but being an insulting tool just makes you look like a jerk. Kill chutes if you want but it's easier to forgive a player who is not a c$%t of a person during personal interactions.....

Edited March 19, 2018 by 7./JG26_Smokejumper

[Cpt_Siddy]

1 hour ago, 7./JG26_Smokejumper said:

 

Some of us find it offensive but not for the reasons you think. The reasons I dislike it is the players who use it the most are too often awful community members. I don't care about chute killing, base rape or the variety of play styles from the multitude of personalities. What I do care about is open mocking behaviour within the community. It's the reason I had a solid crack at someone in the forum who has been rather quiet since....

 

It's all too often inaccurate  and unjustified mud slinging. My personal example:  Disarray was calling me this after I withdrew from the objective I had been CAPping post escort. Using the exact argument you have made in this thread stating that I was being useless and that I should cover bombers or something blah blah Hartmann.  When I was no longer able to provide CAP for strangers because the attack had brought in mass VVS  I withdrew towards my next wave of bombers. Disarray went after them a few minutes later and I got to record his aircraft coming apart from my cannon.

 

Fly how you want but being an insulting tool just makes you look like a jerk. Kill chutes if you want but it's easier to forgive a player who is not a c$%t of a person during personal interactions.....

 

 

You are a big guy, you should know what is true and what is not, when someone says something unsavory towards you. I find your enforced "be nice or else" Animal Farm mentality equally oppressive. Humans are humans, forcing niceness, outside of common rules is equally tyrannical as being a raging hater. 

 

And trust me, chute killing is not easy, fun or even usually worth the while. This is why i took great poop on the people that went ballistic on the larger-than-usual chute killings in the last map. It was only way for VVS to score win in that map, and considering all the poo VVS had to suffer in earlier maps due to server instability and blatant team stacking, no one have any right to sit on high horse with that one. 

 

Remove chute killing from scores, and i am sure the killing will decrease. Make it against the rules (why would you do that, is beyond me as you are opening huge can of worms) and it will go down even further. 

 

Chutes are not, despite what anyone might think, an interesting targets. 

Edited March 19, 2018 by Cpt_Siddy

[ACG_Smokejumper]

12 minutes ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

 

You are a big guy, you should know what is true and what is not, when someone says something unsavory towards you. I find your enforced "be nice or else" Animal Farm mentality equally oppressive. Humans are humans, forcing niceness, outside of common rules is equally tyrannical as being a raging hater. 

 

 

Not once have I said enforce anything. I approve of chute killing and base rape. I don't care and the tears are delicious.

Common courtesy however, isn't a small thing in life.

 

Be a c$%t it's hilarious but you can do it with a gentlemanly flair. It's more funny that way anyway.

 

I also approve of you standing your ground. I just don't see the point of insults unless they really have it coming.

This is why when I really hammered said player he eventually shut up. I was able to maintain the high ground through moderation of my own behaviour because at the end of the day I too am a c*#t.

 

I have learnt to wait and let it out at the right and most delicious moment.

Edited March 19, 2018 by 7./JG26_Smokejumper

[Tuesday]

There's nothing gentlemanly about being a dick, nor the way either of you were acting in game or on the forums - don't kid yourself.

 

You're establishing a rather strange impression of yourself on these forums.

 

Removal of technochat will be interesting, looking forward to trying it.  Will the digital compass be disabled?

 

 

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

You're Canadian. That's so far from Siddy's and Smokey's reality, as if someone from Mars was speaking right now. 

 

 

Politeness overload 

[ACG_Smokejumper]

2 hours ago, 19//Tuesday said:

There's nothing gentlemanly about being a dick, nor the way either of you were acting in game or on the forums - don't kid yourself.

 

You're establishing a rather strange impression of yourself on these forums.

 

Removal of technochat will be interesting, looking forward to trying it.  Will the digital compass be disabled?

 

 

 

 You will find some consistency in my postings but yes I am a strange person I admit. Some of my very early posts here are a bit out there but I've learnt to express myself better since then.

 

I don't mind being a dick. I don't start it first but when it starts I'm going to do my best to win the jerk competition.

 

The problem often today is people lie. I don't. I especially don't lie to myself. I enjoy being kind but have the vast capability for being an asshole. I also have a twisted sense of humour and take a delightful pleasure in laughing at child behaviour. With a few exceptions most of us here are men. It's not generally a female hobby nor is it cheap. This puts the demographic at late teen to retirement age males. Some of which think acting like little girls and constantly whinging is a good way to go....... I find it fun to wind the mangirls up. I find it especially delightful that the females in our community display more integrity and spine than so very many "men" here..

 

I also appear to be in the minority of people who like BEING vulched. I enjoy the excitement of bombs going off, sirens and strafers. I like having to fly S patterns while climbing out. It's all like the history books so if people complain enough they ruin my fun. A boring vanilla fly here fight ONLY there rule set is not fun nor in any way realistic. I don't even come in for landings like I see others do...... A fricking flight pattern with lights on..... It's a come bounce me beacon in a combat zone and the said flight simmer has a cry because they forgot it's not a flight sim it's a COMBAT flight sim.

 

That said I don't shoot parachutes and while I enjoy a good vulch I don't usually do it. If an objective is near one I certainly will make a detour for a quick and nasty giggle before running away. Airfield vulching will get you killed. You can get one and run or get mobbed. It's stupid.

 

For parachutes it's an easy don't do it for me. I do not like getting shot in my harness but when it has occurred I take it on the chin.

 

 

 

On a more positive note:

 

 

I removed technochat already. It makes you fly too conservatively in a P40 in my opinion.

 

 

1 hour ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

You're Canadian. That's so far from Siddy's and Smokey's reality, as if someone from Mars was speaking right now. 

 

 

Politeness overload 

 

 

Canadian born and bred. This new image of us being pussies is annoying.... 

 

"I'm going to teach you some manners" used to mean you where impolite and about to get a face punch.

Our favorite sport gives you permission to knock some dudes teeth out because he made a mom joke and our national sport allows you to beat the other players quite viciously with a stick.

 

Oh Canada. I miss you.

Edited March 19, 2018 by 7./JG26_Smokejumper

[=BES=Senor_Jefe]

Smokejumper, I like you.... You know, even if you're Canadian and all .

[ACG_Smokejumper]

Cheers Coyote. Us Canuckleheads are not so bad. 

[174driver]

12 hours ago, 19//Tuesday said:

.................

Removal of technochat will be interesting, looking forward to trying it. ...........

 

 

to remove techno chat? what for? Now practically on all planes the different sound is not realized depending on manifold. blue pilots are the first to start crying that in the manual mode the engine dies.
most red planes fly perfectly at 100/100, only look at the temperature, but as an exceptionally red pilot I do not mind, turn off the techno chat)))

(sry for google-translate))))

[Paulshow2]

sorry! but i have to ask: any rough idea about the ETA for a new campaign ?

[Leutnant_Artur]

1 hour ago, RedPaulshow2 said:

sorry! but i have to ask: any rough idea about the ETA for a new campaign ?

Not yet.

[KingstonDE]

6 hours ago, 174driver said:

....... blue pilots are the first to start crying that in the manual mode the engine dies.

 

 

LoL realy?

 

in no flight sim since 1946 you need a technochat to fly the plan to its limit. You have all what you need in the cockpit doesent matter what plane or what side.

For the right trim you have your eyes, for the coolers you have your temp instruments for the rest you have your so called fealings . Also in most planes you have a watch for the limits.

To do this you need to know the planes you fly and this is the biggest difference between a gamer and a simmer. A simmer learn over time his plane and how to fly it on engine limits without technochat, doghfighting is a different story . A gamer use technochat.

 

I also dont understand than on a server where people come on to fly "missions" to simulate a war as so called experts of flightsims and than you see them fly with support wheels

( technochat on ). This is the biggest joke at all, also when it comes to this we need it historical but still fly with technochat . So realy i would love to see that the technochat could be switched off server side, would make a total different story out of this simulation.

 

For learning the technochats are good specialy for new pilots, but an a mission based server it has nothing to do. This where the so called full real server in the good old 1946 days no helps nothing, only your cockpit, your knowleg and your senses. Damn i miss this times, this sim could be perfect to reanimate the good old times with server where you have to learn to fly and fight without the acarde style technochat support wheels.

 

regards

 

Little_D

[THERION]

8 minutes ago, 1./JG2_Little_D said:

So realy i would love to see that the technochat could be switched off server side, would make a total different story out of this simulation.

 

This would be way more realistic and immersive - I very often observe pilots pushing their planes to the limits without

being punished when mishandling their engines and I'm not even talking about the aerial manoeuvers they're doing for

nearly hours - in real life you would already barf after some minutes and your plane would also take much more stress.

 

I read in many books about combat pilots in WWII how exhausted they were after only half an hour of intense combat.

 

A lot has been simulated to our days, but fatigue is still not present...

 

Cheers

[ACG_Smokejumper]

4 hours ago, EAF_T_Therion said:

 

 in real life you would already barf after some minutes and your plane would also take much more stress.

 

I read in many books about combat pilots in WWII how exhausted they were after only half an hour of intense combat.

 

 

 

First point washes you out of flight school. Second point while valid is somewhat mitigated by youth and physical health. Modern men are weak by comparison to the youth of 1940. This was the era of MANDATORY gym class. Screw your feelings fatty get up the rope.

 

I remember playing contact sports for hours as a young man. I remember joining the Army being able to run for 5km at a high rate of speed then sit down and have a smoke. I was 18 and what my body could do then was amazing compared to myself at 38.

 

Pilots during the war would often be called a kid today.

 

Exhausted is not the same incapacitated. Not even close.

Edited March 20, 2018 by 7./JG26_Smokejumper

[THERION]

43 minutes ago, 7./JG26_Smokejumper said:

I remember playing contact sports for hours as a young man. I remember joining the Army being able to run for 5km at a high rate of speed then sit down and have a smoke. I was 18 and what my body could do then was amazing compared to myself at 38.

 

 

Well, same here - I did karate and fencing besides of gym and swimming, before I was drafted to be a "Gebirgsjäger" (Mountain infantry) in Switzerland

in the 80's - and we did 15km so called speed marches with full package just to start with the week and got further... so I know what you're telling me.

[ACG_Smokejumper]

See then no drama.

 

I just don't think the physical fatigue is a solid argument. While it has validity there are too many variables in my opinion.

 

Anyway, nice to meet you.

[SDV_Fin*19_]

 

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

18 hours ago, 1./JG2_Little_D said:

 

LoL realy?

 

in no flight sim since 1946 you need a technochat to fly the plan to its limit. You have all what you need in the cockpit doesent matter what plane or what side.

For the right trim you have your eyes, for the coolers you have your temp instruments for the rest you have your so called fealings . Also in most planes you have a watch for the limits.

To do this you need to know the planes you fly and this is the biggest difference between a gamer and a simmer. A simmer learn over time his plane and how to fly it on engine limits without technochat, doghfighting is a different story . A gamer use technochat.

 

I also dont understand than on a server where people come on to fly "missions" to simulate a war as so called experts of flightsims and than you see them fly with support wheels

( technochat on ). This is the biggest joke at all, also when it comes to this we need it historical but still fly with technochat . So realy i would love to see that the technochat could be switched off server side, would make a total different story out of this simulation.

 

For learning the technochats are good specialy for new pilots, but an a mission based server it has nothing to do. This where the so called full real server in the good old 1946 days no helps nothing, only your cockpit, your knowleg and your senses. Damn i miss this times, this sim could be perfect to reanimate the good old times with server where you have to learn to fly and fight without the acarde style technochat support wheels.

 

regards

 

Little_D

Bullshit. The Technochat enhances your Haptics, all the "Touchy Feely" Stuff you can't get from a Screen if you don't have Axis Controls for everything. 

The Engine Limits are Bullshit as well, and a Game Mechanic, completely unrelated to reailty, and so, to read that Game Mechanic, you need the Technochat. 

 

Flying without Technochat is like walking around in Lead Boots. I consider myself a Simmer and Technochat is Part of Simming. and doesn't take anything away from my need for Realism. 

 

But I wouldn't expect any less Arrogance from a Pure Fighter Jock with Mediocre Stats like yours. You only fly 2 Kinds of Aircraft, while I fly ALL of them. Technochat then is a Nice little support every once in a While.