Developer Diary, Part 121 - Discussion

[FlyingNutcase]

Looking good as usual, well done.

I'm really enjoying the I-16, I can't wait to see more skins and meaningful missions for it.

 

Top notch badge art! Very impressive indeed.

 

 

Edit: I like this smiley better! 

 

Indeed, the quality of the medals shouldn't be overlooked; they seem very thematic and extremely well done. Kudos 777 artists!

[Feathered_IV]

The 88 looks great and the improvements to singleplayer will be very welcome. Nice job on the medals too!

[LukeFF]

 

 

Maybe the outer wing bombs, as they are not very common on actual pictures of the plane

 

That one screenshot does show SC250s (or perhaps SC500s) on the outer wing racks, plus at least one more large bomb underneath the fuselage.

 

This should be a really fun plane with lots of armament options. And, it can dive-bomb!  

[Cybermat47]

This should be a really fun plane with lots of armament options. And, it can dive-bomb!

 

I think it will quickly become more popular than the He-111, thanks to how versatile it is

[Boomerang]

All looking brilliant! BOM release getting closer and closer

Great work, thank you.

[-JG2-Oesaumarousovo]

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Very nice. Ju 88 is looking great, but it I think ju 88 can have something more than other bombers, like

50mm canoon or it can have upgraded nose like ju 88C.

But its your work.

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Very nice. Ju 88 is looking great, but it I think ju 88 can have something more than other bombers, like

50mm canoon or it can have upgraded nose like ju 88C.

But its your work.

[Original_Uwe]

Maybe one day, but probably not today.

[LLv24_Zami]

Really looking fantastic.

 

You guys are monopolizing my available flight sim time these days!  I was running a mission last night and fell asleep once I gained cruising alt.  Woke up ~7 min. later at the action point, same relative altitude ​​

That`s the spirit, you don`t let a little fatigue to get in the way of playing one more mission 

 

I had something like that last night. I was a bit tired after work but decided to fly one more mission in my current La-5 campaign. Everything went well, shot down couple of He-111s. I turned home with couple of escort fighters chasing me. Airfield AA took care of them. Satisfied I turned to the landing but the plane behaved a bit strangely. The reason was this:

 

I forgot my gear up 

Edited February 6, 2016 by Zami

[F/JG300_Gruber]

That one screenshot does show SC250s (or perhaps SC500s) on the outer wing racks, plus at least one more large bomb underneath the fuselage.

 

This should be a really fun plane with lots of armament options. And, it can dive-bomb!

 

I meant on vintage photographs of the 88 in action. 

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

That`s the spirit, you don`t let a little fatigue to get in the way of playing one more mission 

 

I had something like that last night. I was a bit tired after work but decided to fly one more mission in my current La-5 campaign. Everything went well, shot down couple of He-111s. I turned home with couple of escort fighters chasing me. Airfield AA took care of them. Satisfied I turned to the landing but the plane behaved a bit strangely. The reason was this:

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I forgot my gear up 

Don't forget to GUMPS, just like in real life.

[LLv24_Zami]

Don't forget to GUMPS, just like in real life.

Roger that   

 

This was the first time I did gear up landing with undamaged plane. I blame my job for this, it disturbs my flying     

Edited February 6, 2016 by Zami

[Feathered_IV]

I'll look forward to seeing the interior of the Ju-88 and the animations of the crew.  I didn't really warm to the JU-88 in CloD, with it's crewman seemingly frozen in the act of eating an invisible hamburger.

[CF-105]

Roger that   

 

This was the first time I did gear up landing with undamaged plane. I blame my job for this, it disturbs my flying     

 

Remember to always flip the gear lever to the 'down' position after forgetting to lower the gear, but before anyone notices...  

[Azdack]

Hello

thanks for that game! Great fun to fly with all these ww2 fighters.

Question : how can I use the beautiful planes screenshots one can see in the diary 121 as wallpapers on my PC desk?

Thanks for answers

[LLv24_Zami]

Remember to always flip the gear lever to the 'down' position after forgetting to lower the

gear, but before anyone notices...

I'll add this to my checklist :D

[No601_Swallow]

Hello

thanks for that game! Great fun to fly with all these ww2 fighters.

Question : how can I use the beautiful planes screenshots one can see in the diary 121 as wallpapers on my PC desk?

Thanks for answers

 

Absolutely. Just save it on your hard drive somewhere, and then - if I recall correctly - a simple right click on the picture gives you the option to set it as wallpaper. I've got a screensaver slideshow going, from a folder of screenies which I add to regularly as the diaries come round.

Edited February 6, 2016 by No601_Swallow

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

The Ju-88 is looking gorgeous, and that I-16 formation heading to the party is impressive too! I'm quite happy with how the medals turned out, they look very authentic while also being aesthetically pleasing.

[Dutchvdm]

I wonder what they will do with the two bomb bays of the Ju-88. They where only for small bombs like 50 kg or smaller. 18 50 kg bombs in the first bay and 10 in the second. But i believe it was not uncommon to use the first bay for extra fuel. 

 

Grt Martijn

[Asgar]

both bomb bays could be used for extra fuel as far as i know. about 1600l in the front and about 1200l in the back i think ...not sure though. it's been a while i read about it

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

That much fuel plus the usual internal load is perfect, just in case you need to bomb Moscow from Stalingrad.

[Finkeren]

Boy, that's a lot of fuel. The 88s will make nice warm bonfires that will burn a looooong time for the benefit of our freezing comrades in the glorious Red tank force, after we shoot them down.

[Asgar]

well, you don't have to take the additional fuel tanks. that's just what fit's in the bomb bays

[Blitzen]

That much fuel plus the usual internal load is perfect, just in case you need to bomb Moscow from Stalingrad.

Strange that you should say that !! I just happen to have an old clipping from a 1941 LIFE Magazine:

A possible real time & place candidate for first skins when plane & template are released??

Edited February 6, 2016 by Blitzen

[Plurp]

both bomb bays could be used for extra fuel as far as i know. about 1600l in the front and about 1200l in the back i think ...not sure though. it's been a while i read about it

 

According to Ju-88-1 Betriebsanleitung (1940 Mar) the front tank was 1220, rear tank was 680.  I would think it would be the same for the A-4.  Both, I believe, were able to be jettisoned.

Edited February 6, 2016 by Beedo

[Asgar]

as i said. it's been a while since i read up on it

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

I suppose if they do include it, the extra fuel has its uses, particularly if you include losing half your fuel to flak and fighters in your flight plan

[Finkeren]

Strange that you should say that !! I just happen to have an old clipping from a 1941 LIFE Magazine:

A possible real time & place candidate for first skins when plane & template are released??

Love that picture. Not least because of the camouflaged building in the background. The many wild attempts at altering the looks of Moscow is one of the things I'm really gonna miss about not being able to fly over the city.

[F/JG300_Gruber]

I don't think we will see those spare fuel tanks in the bomb bays for the same reasons they did not include droptanks on others aircrafts.

[Roast]

Great news, especially that Ju-88 does look superb

 

I asume that a Hungarian skin for the Ju-88 will be included?

 

Edited February 7, 2016 by Roast

[Jade_Monkey]

Strange that you should say that !! I just happen to have an old clipping from a 1941 LIFE Magazine:

A possible real time & place candidate for first skins when plane & template are released??

 

 

Very interesting picture!

 

I assume that the "Stuka Ju-88" is just a lack of knowledge on the journalist's side, right?

 

I don't think we will see those spare fuel tanks in the bomb bays for the same reasons they did not include droptanks on others aircrafts.

 

Since they are internal, I'm not sure how much work that would represent for the devs.

If you dont want to make them jettisonable like Beedo said, it could be as easy as just increasing the fuel values for the plane, maybe lock the bomb bay doors.

 

Maybe it would be more work if they have to include the fuel to the damage model (the leaks and fire). 

[Finkeren]

I assume that the "Stuka Ju-88" is just a lack of knowledge on the journalist's side, right?

 

No, why would it be? The early Ju 88s were all stukas since "stuka" is simply an acronym for "STUrzKAmpfflugzeug" in English: Dive bomber. Since the Ju 88A4 was equipped with dive brakes and external hard points useful for diving attacks, it was classified as a dive bomber, even though it rarely performed in that role by 1941.

 

In principle ALL dive bombers regardless of which side they belonged to would be called stukas in German. As the war progressed, and the Ju 87 essentially became the only German aircraft to perform that role, it became common to refer only to Ju 87 as "Stuka" as a callsign or affectionate nickname.

Edited February 7, 2016 by Finkeren

[Jade_Monkey]

Good to know! Thanks.

[LLv24_Zami]

No, why would it be? The early Ju 88s were all stukas since "stuka" is simply an acronym for "STUrzKAmpfflugzeug" in English: Dive bomber. Since the Ju 88A4 was equipped with dive brakes and external hard points useful for diving attacks, it was classified as a dive bomber, even though it rarely performed in that role by 1941.

 

In principle ALL dive bombers regardless of which side they belonged to would be called stukas in German. As the war progressed, and the Ju 87 essentially became the only German aircraft to perform that role, it became common to refer only to Ju 87 as "Stuka" as a callsign or affectionate nickname.

Germans and their obsession with dive bombing. Even the He-177 was supposed to do that. That`s insane 

[Finkeren]

Germans and their obsession with dive bombing. Even the He-177 was supposed to do that. That`s insane

The Ju 88 like the Pe-2 was actually fairly succesful when deployed as a dive bomber. Bomb sight technology of the late interwar years had let many air power analysts to suppose, that dive bombing was pretty much the only way to do precision bombing and therefore it was incorporated into a lot of designs, not all of which were particularly suited for it. It wasn't just a German thing, though the RLM held on to the idea a bit longer than others.

[LLv24_Zami]

The Ju 88 like the Pe-2 was actually fairly succesful when deployed as a dive bomber. Bomb sight technology of the late interwar years had let many air power analysts to suppose, that dive bombing was pretty much the only way to do precision bombing and therefore it was incorporated into a lot of designs, not all of which were particularly suited for it. It wasn't just a German thing, though the RLM held on to the idea a bit longer than others.

But the idea of heavy bomber doing dive bombing is just insane IMO.

 

On the side note, Finns did not dive bomb with Ju-88 even though it was capable of it. They preferred glide bombing style.

[Blitzen]

The Ju 88 like the Pe-2 was actually fairly succesful when deployed as a dive bomber. Bomb sight technology of the late interwar years had let many air power analysts to suppose, that dive bombing was pretty much the only way to do precision bombing and therefore it was incorporated into a lot of designs, not all of which were particularly suited for it. It wasn't just a German thing, though the RLM held on to the idea a bit longer than others.

I believe one Do-217 ( and only one) was experimentally fitted with a uniquely designed air-brake.If memory serves it wasn't a success...but still perhaps BoM and/or BoS will give us a Do-217 and an option for the dive-brake so we can see for ourselves....Stuka-Do-217?

having said all of that about STUKA ,I'll be it was the LIFE writer who just made an intentional  mistake.The use of the word Stuka was an attention grabber in the early war years  because it was initially viewed a a sort of super weapon,especially after Poland & France.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

The dive breaks on the Do-217 were removed because they were unsufficient and caused instability when deployed. I on't think it will be much of a gain if eventually modeled in BoX.

 

Dive bombing with planes like the Ju88 wasn't easy and showed less sucess than the smaller Ju-87s. Those large aircrafts required large recovery arcs to not over G and were very vulnerable by Flak due to their shere size.

 

Thats why the Ju-88 effectively remained unique as a multi purpose aircraft capeable of high speed level bombing, dive bombing, nightfighting and tank hunting.

Edited February 7, 2016 by Stab/JG26_5tuka

[Finkeren]

Thats why the Ju-88 effectively remained unique as a multi purpose aircraft capeable of high speed level bombing, dive bombing, nightfighting and tank hunting.

Except the Pe-2/3 served in those exact roles, so it wasn't really "unique" (though you could argue, that the Ju 88 was uniquely effective in most of the roles it was used for)

Edited February 7, 2016 by Finkeren

[JtD]

... and torpedo bomber. Pe-2 too?

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Except the Pe-2/3 served in those exact roles, so it wasn't really "unique" (though you could argue, that the Ju 88 was uniquely effective in most of the roles it was used for)

Although I referred more to the Luftwaffe you could argue that the Peshkas were not as much dive bombers as Ju88s were. They did not posess a "StuVi" (dive visor) and no recovery automatic system. Pilots had to aim with their reflex gunsight. As result they were not very accurate. Also, russians were not too familiar with dive bombing and lacked expirienced pilots as opposed to the Luftwaffe. They developed some rather strange methods of dive bombing which didn't promise great sucess.