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[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

I had the most unlucky Sortie ever. Almost lost my Live in it. The 3 Flak Hits and my entire Vertical Stab was gone. http://72ag-ded.ru/en/sortie/95824/?tour=6

[606_hayes]

bro....i;ve play il-2sturmovik from first original game IL-2 sturmovik, I;m in squadron more then 10years....i know something about "simulation",but it;s still game....

in planest bf110, bf110e versus i-16 and old sturmovik......the german planeset have advatage,

and it;s really no my cup of tea to fly around whole map and pray to don;t meet any enemy becase i have no chance...or i have very little chance.......

why Bf-110 don;t have limited loads,.....take 3-4 fully load bf-110s and you can destroy warhouse, artylery position..whatevere you want,

take 3-4 odl il-2 sturmovik...and you can pray.........but i;m pretty sure that you can;t destroy warhouse......

..but how i told....we wait for better planeset ,,,,,,

S

[-WILD-AlbinoHA5E]

bro....i;ve play il-2sturmovik from first original game IL-2 sturmovik, I;m in squadron more then 10years....i know something about "simulation",but it;s still game....

in planest bf110, bf110e versus i-16 and old sturmovik......the german planeset have advatage,

and it;s really no my cup of tea to fly around whole map and pray to don;t meet any enemy becase i have no chance...or i have very little chance.......

why Bf-110 don;t have limited loads,.....take 3-4 fully load bf-110s and you can destroy warhouse, artylery position..whatevere you want,

take 3-4 odl il-2 sturmovik...and you can pray.........but i;m pretty sure that you can;t destroy warhouse......

..but how i told....we wait for better planeset ,,,,,,

S

So you've been in a Squad for all your Life then? Because from your Writing Patterns a I have no reason to believe you have progressed beyond 4th Grade.

Edited January 5, 2017 by CuteKitten94

[IRRE_Centx]

bro....i;ve play il-2sturmovik from first original game IL-2 sturmovik, I;m in squadron more then 10years....i know something about "simulation",but it;s still game....

in planest bf110, bf110e versus i-16 and old sturmovik......the german planeset have advatage,

and it;s really no my cup of tea to fly around whole map and pray to don;t meet any enemy becase i have no chance...or i have very little chance.......

why Bf-110 don;t have limited loads,.....take 3-4 fully load bf-110s and you can destroy warhouse, artylery position..whatevere you want,

take 3-4 odl il-2 sturmovik...and you can pray.........but i;m pretty sure that you can;t destroy warhouse......

..but how i told....we wait for better planeset ,,,,,,

S

 

 

Okay, so if il-2 1941 is SUUUUUCH an useless plane to bomb/destroy objectives/win a map, explain me this: 

http://72ag-ded.ru/en/mission/663/

 

How could VVS won a map this morning when they were 6 (SIX! SIX!) Russians who destroyed ground targets? 

 

 

 

You fear to meet E7s and 110s?

Do navigation, take escort and don't attack from obvious paths... as you would do in real life?

 

 

And by the way i-16 with the 2x20mm is a huge threat for 110s.

I litterally one shoted two 110s yesterday evening. 0.5 second burst, wing off.

Edited January 5, 2017 by -IRRE-Centx

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

 

 

And by the way i-16 with the 2x20mm is a huge threat for 110s. I litterally one shoted two 110s yesterday evening. 0.5 second burst, wing off.

 

 

German MG34 Flak took a mere two hits to take of the Vertical Surface of my Il-2 entirely. 

[=gRiJ=Alado]

again dead.

 

pushstart button and appear in the air without airplane. I leave and he gives me as dead and with the countdown to wait. Is it my pc's fault? Or the server? Or of this sim that is half cooked?

[IRRE_Centx]

German MG34 Flak took a mere two hits to take of the Vertical Surface of my Il-2 entirely. 

 

 

Happened to me multiple times also, even in the "mighty undestructible completely cheated" Pe-2.

Yes MG34 is deadly (and sniper xD)

 

 

(but not sure what's the link with the fact that I-16 with 2x20mm is a 110 destroyer?  )

[606_hayes]

... cuteKitten94 _ you don;t know how much I don;t  care about your stupid opinion about my age, ..and generally about me.....

 

yes...red won again...maybe they are people withou social life and they have whole days to fly sturmoviks .....

it would be interesting to see...how many take off;s need Il-2 sturmovik to destroy warhouse and how many take off needs bf-110, or stukas or ju-88, we can compare it even with pe-2,

bf-110 can destroy more targets in one flight than sturmovik.....

[Trinkof]

... cuteKitten94 _ you don;t know how much I don;t care about your stupid opinion about my age, ..and generally about me.....

 

yes...red won again...maybe they are people withou social life and they have whole days to fly sturmoviks .....

it would be interesting to see...how many take off;s need Il-2 sturmovik to destroy warhouse and how many take off needs bf-110, or stukas or ju-88, we can compare it even with pe-2,

bf-110 can destroy more targets in one flight than sturmovik.....

Each kp has 1 warehouse, heavy building worth 2 points, 2 convoy often armoured : 2 il2 can destroy any of it in less than 4 minutes... It would be 3 or 4 flight for 2 bf110 in the eventuality every of their bomb is right on target .... Actually most diffcult target ... And an atillery positon which can be destroyed by any plane (soft targets only need to be destroyed on it)....

 

Add to this i16 vs e7 is probably the most advantageous duel fo russian (i16 is faster down turn better roll better , climb better under 3k and has a massive firepower advantage.... )

 

... And the il2 41 with his helicopter flaps and insane prop hanging capacities is probably the second best fighter of the planeset

 

So yeah this planeset is actually tons of fun ... And the most favourable to soviet you will ever have regarding ground tagets aviable

Edited January 5, 2017 by LAL_Trinkof

[Lusekofte]

 

 

Because from your Writing Patterns

 

HAve to stop you there, not being native English make English writing looks childish. The lack of english word during a discussion is damnedest thing you can imagine 

[HR_Tumu]

From wiki about Mig-3

 

but all sources say the same ;

 

"On 22 June 1941 at the beginning of Operation Barbarossa, some 981 were in service with the VVS (the Soviet Air Force), the PVO (Soviet territorial air defense organization) and Naval Aviation. "

 

Its more fun if you can run rear enemys 

 

))

Edited January 5, 2017 by RedEye_Tumu

[CSW_GC3_Chroust]

 

 

And by the way i-16 with the 2x20mm is a huge threat for 110s.

I litterally one shoted two 110s yesterday evening. 0.5 second burst, wing off.

 

100% true..

 

http://72ag-ded.ru/en/sortie/log/95980/?tour=6

 

one two three and the entire BF in flames

[IRRE_Centx]

how many take off;s need Il-2 sturmovik to destroy warhouse 

 

And how many take offs need a 110 to destroy a tank column? 

 

A single il-2 can destroy a whole tank column ALONE only with canons.

Try to do the same with a 110, I hope for you that you're a sniper with your bombs, because even a one ton bomb at 10m from a tank doesn't destroy it, you have to drop them with pinpoint accuracy 

 

YES, Germans have an advantage to destroy warehouse (= 2 points)

BUT Soviets have the advantage to destroy convoys (= 2 points too)

 

 

 

 

Its more fun if you can run rear enemys 

 

 

You know that I-16 under approx. 3000m and with a good engine management is faster than 109 E7  ? 

So yes you can run rear enemies.

Edited January 5, 2017 by -IRRE-Centx

[HR_Tumu]

sorry, i see need a correction...

 

run rear and of course, catch him!!!!! hhehehehe

 

And for me not its a  engine managamen question... its a dive speed limit , please im old on this games.... not try to lie me mate 

 

))

 

But no problem, i only ask why not Mig3 , its historical planetset no??  thats all, i dont know why , but its the second server i play , no have mig3 on first maps.... 

The question for me its, why reds no have mig3... have 2 excelent weapons from the begining, I-16 to low level and turn, Mig for altitude and run. But now.... on servers ( some say are historical planetset ) mig3 no exist.

Edited January 5, 2017 by RedEye_Tumu

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

to 307_Tomcat...you really have no right to learn my about fairplay.......becase you disconnet so many time that ......nevermind.....

...disconection is new "sport" on this server......tomcat can tell somentig about it........:D he learned me it :D

...have fun on this server... we wait for better planeset:D

Time to time my connection is lost from the game server and TS but any moran should know that could happend when you are in fight or not but you call me an asshole when it happend and i was not involved in any dogfight (just flying paraller to enemy airfield). Yes you are lier and do offending others because of yours delusions.

[606_hayes]

HAve to stop you there, not being native English make English writing looks childish. The lack of english word during a discussion is damnedest thing you can imagine 

Time to time my connection is lost from the game server and TS but any moran should know that could happend when you are in fight or not but you call me an asshole when it happend and i was not involved in any dogfight (just flying paraller to enemy

 

airfield). Yes you are lier and do offending others because of yours delusions.

so ..time to time....my connection is lost........and any [Edited] should know that it could happen during the flight......... have a nice day.....

 

Last warning

Edited January 7, 2017 by SYN_Haashashin
Edited out the non-English part. And those insults.

[Trinkof]

sorry, i see need a correction...

 

run rear and of course, catch him!!!!! hhehehehe

 

And for me not its a engine managamen question... its a dive speed limit , please im old on this games.... not try to lie me mate

 

))

 

But no problem, i only ask why not Mig3 , its historical planetset no?? thats all, i dont know why , but its the second server i play , no have mig3 on first maps....

The question for me its, why reds no have mig3... have 2 excelent weapons from the begining, I-16 to low level and turn, Mig for altitude and run. But now.... on servers ( some say are historical planetset ) mig3 no exist.

Bf109 f2 was also there. I guess they did not aimed for an historical planset, but a progressively balanced one .... Which is good also IMO.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Generally a clean E-7 will do 475 at 1.3ata at SL. I-16 will never go above 450.

The 110 is not that much slower than the 109, I think up to 460 are possible at 1.3ata.

I-16 only has the Acceleration/Climb advantage due to better P/W Ratio, however 109 is more stable in low Speed Manouvering.

[IRRE_Centx]

But no problem, i only ask why not Mig3 , its historical planetset no??  thats all, i dont know why , but its the second server i play , no have mig3 on first maps.... 

The question for me its, why reds no have mig3... have 2 excelent weapons from the begining, I-16 to low level and turn, Mig for altitude and run. But now.... on servers ( some say are historical planetset ) mig3 no exist.

 

Read again the post of Crusader 

Did he mention somewhere that the planeset was historical? No 

 

It's just an evolutive planeset with some balanced configurations, and some configurations where alternatively LW/VVS has an advantage.

[Trinkof]

Generally a clean E-7 will do 475 at 1.3ata at SL. I-16 will never go above 450.

The 110 is not that much slower than the 109, I think up to 460 are possible at 1.3ata.

I-16 only has the Acceleration/Climb advantage due to better P/W Ratio, however 109 is more stable in low Speed Manouvering.

I would say 460 for a clean one... And emergency power 1.3 ata for 5 minutes only. At combat power I think (not sure) the i16 is fatser low by a few km/h.

 

Anyway it is a very nice duel, i did not pointed the differences to be negative about it, but to point the fact it is actually one of the most balanced duel we can have with current planeset.

[HR_Tumu]

 true  Centx, i dont read Crusader point, sorry. Not historical,

 

Thank you, i think my question was solved, the cause for no have mig3, is the kind of  planetset selected,   because the idea is not historical planetset, the idea is balanced planetset.

 

Ths again.  

All right.

 

))

[=gRiJ=Alado]

can any help me to know what happen???

 

http://72ag-ded.ru/en/sortie/log/96784/?tour=6

 

http://72ag-ded.ru/en/sortie/log/96795/?tour=6

[Nil]

Yes Nil...you and your friend are doing a great job with the german markings "camo" and colours...

 

No Achilleus, We and my friend had only Spanish camo, we never had never had German Camo.

My friend used this camo since a long time without issues with Russians and Germans.

Red or Orange Camo are to visible, gives us no chance to evade.

Our Spanish Camo did not prevent you guys for shooting us down so do not worry.

 

Spanish camo is distinctive enough from grerman camo, maybe it should be locked for Russians.

[KG200_Achilleus]

No Achilleus, We and my friend had only Spanish camo, we never had never had German Camo.

My friend used this camo since a long time without issues with Russians and Germans.

Red or Orange Camo are to visible, gives us no chance to evade.

Our Spanish Camo did not prevent you guys for shooting us down so do not worry.

 

Spanish camo is distinctive enough from grerman camo, maybe it should be locked for Russians.

Nil,only you had spanish camo,with no russian markings at all in any place on plane,

your friend had german colors with german markings as you can see in my pics..

so please stop the crap..

red and orange may be quite visible..but brown is almost camo with ground..

Edited January 5, 2017 by KG200_Achilleus

[IRRE_Centx]

Crusader, can you seriously lock skins for Ju52 please?

Red and Blue/Orange for Soviets, other skins for Germans...

 

 

 

 

Again shot down a friendly Soviet Pe-2 flying with German camo, even after asking in tchat if there was some Soviet 52...

No answer, German camo, cruising on German territory with a heading toward a German airfield, I shoot... aaaaaand friendly fire.

 

 

And since Germans give order to their gunner to not fire (ahah smart...), you CAN'T identify a Ju52...

Edited January 5, 2017 by -IRRE-Centx

[F/JG300_Gruber]

can any help me to know what happen???

 

http://72ag-ded.ru/en/sortie/log/96784/?tour=6

 

http://72ag-ded.ru/en/sortie/log/96795/?tour=6

 

Never happened to me 

 

Maybe send a PM directly to Crusader if it's not already done.

[Nil]

Nil,only you had spanish camo,with no russian markings at all in any place on plane,

your friend had german colors with german markings as you can see in my pics..

so please stop the crap..

red and orange may be quite visible..but brown is almost camo with ground..

Hey oh, chill out please, and stop those familiarity with me,  we do not know each other. thank you and be respectful.

My friend took a Spanish camo. You see it German in your sim, so it might be a bug, because we made sure to take a Spanish camo.

 

Of course brown is almost camo with the ground as you said but isn't  the purpose of a camo?

Red and Orange are NOT situable for combat missions.  Would you take a red and/or orange skin when you fly?? Would you do that??

I am not sure.

This spanish camo is VERY distinctive enough from german camo so it is logically perfect for Russians.

Edited January 5, 2017 by Nil

[KG200_Achilleus]

Hey oh, chill out please, and stop those familiarity with me, we do not know each other. thank you and be respectful.

My friend took a Spanish camo. You see it German in your sim, so it might be a bug, because we made sure to take a Spanish camo.

 

Of course brown is almost camo with the ground as you said but isn't it the purpose of a camo?

Red and Orange are NOT situable for combat missions. Would you take a red and/or orange skin when you fly?? Would you do that??

I am not sure.

This spanish camo is VERY distinctive enough from german camo so it is logically perfect for Russians.

ohh...so you say that it was a bug that cause all blue players arround you to see no markings at all from you,and german markings in your friend?

ohhhh...bad boy litle bug bad boy!!!

lol

Admins,

please take position on this..

[Nil]

i do not know what it is actually, I said a bug, but it might be something else,

 

I am not ashamed to admit my mistakes as I have NOTHING to compensate in my life

I have a good self esteem and confidence in myself.

 

If he would take a german camo I will tell you, I am a honest simmer and an humble real life pilot

Like everybody in this world I am not perfect, so for me it is normal and natural to admit my mistakes as everybody is doing mistakes.
 

Honestly I would never fly with him if he had the German Camo, I do not fly with cheaters. I avoid them in fact.

[KG200_Chrisrag]

i do not know what it is actually, I said a bug, but it might be something else,

 

I am not ashamed to admit my mistakes as I have NOTHING to compensate in my life

I have a good self esteem and confidence in myself.

 

If he would take a german camo I will tell you, I am a honest simmer and an humble real life pilot

Like everybody in this world I am not perfect, so for me it is normal and natural to admit my mistakes as everybody is doing mistakes.

 

Honestly I would never fly with him if he had the German Camo, I do not fly with cheaters. I avoid them in fact.

Hello Nil

 

 First of all Achilleus did not said anything about your manners in real life or so.We regularly see Ju52's with german markings,even with the rules not to take markings like this.You posted in forum how you managed to succeed doing some drops behind enemy lines.After that post Achilleus reported that doing missions that way,are not quite honorable.So my point is that as long as the rules are to take red/orange skins and russian markings for ju52 you and other players need to follow it.Same on german side of course,that has to use only german skins.

 

~S~

[Malik]

With more servers coming online that encourages me to buy more IL2 content, simple!

[Nocke]

It seems people are not aware that there I NO SKIN DOWNLOAD in the game. If you put on a custom skin others only see a default skin if they did not download your skin previously...

[Nil]

Hello Nil

 

 First of all Achilleus did not said anything about your manners in real life or so.We regularly see Ju52's with german markings,even with the rules not to take markings like this.You posted in forum how you managed to succeed doing some drops behind enemy lines.After that post Achilleus reported that doing missions that way,are not quite honorable.So my point is that as long as the rules are to take red/orange skins and russian markings for ju52 you and other players need to follow it.Same on german side of course,that has to use only german skins.

 

~S~

Please read what he wrote. nobody is addressing me that in the real life so no change in a forum there is a proper way to express concerns, and this way is respect.

Honestly I am fed up with the words he uses. this is enough time wasting for me, I have better in my life to do and I ignore him now.

 

As your answer is respectful, I will answer you: 

I am not responsible if other players use Germans markings with Tante Ju. 

The rule of taking red/orange is rather unofficial, and very unforgiving for Russian, that is why some take the Spanish Camo.

Note that Germans fighters were shooting at us WITHOUT the red/orange Camo. 

the last time I took orange camo skin, Every single German figther was spotting me from very far.

I took the advice of taking the Spanish camo from an experienced Simmer.

 

As skins are not locked, this issue will continue because some simmers are not honest

[Willy__]

Honestly, the issue is that the VVS is flying what is primary a german plane. With no skin locks the best thing to do is shoot at EVERY ju52 you see.

[CSW_606_Druindin]

 

What is your goal?

Hitorický planeset? (Probably not)

Sales Support BOM?

RPG adding any aircraft?

Something else?

 

(BTW I BOSfull / BOMfull / yak1b)

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Honestly, the issue is that the VVS is flying what is primary a german plane. With no skin locks the best thing to do is shoot at EVERY ju52 you see.

If everybody was nice and be playing by rules there would be no need for a kick function in the first place. If there's no skin lock people will abuse it to gain an advantage, simple as that.

 

More important, and far worse than that, it also ruins flying the 52 on german side because everybody willl get paranoid and just shoot every single 52 they come across no matter the skin. Could have been avoided easily by not making the mistake of handing a german aircraft over to the russian side in the first place.

 

Guess the only way to fly the 52 properly in MP is either in Coop (Friday Night) or by making your own server. If you want stupid fun in I-16 and 5min sorties this is perfect.

[72AG_Crusader]

What is your goal?

Hitorický planeset? (Probably not)

Sales Support BOM?

RPG adding any aircraft?

Something else?

 

(BTW I BOSfull / BOMfull / yak1b)

Interesting gameplay

no, but something similar

lol, no

lol, no

 

Its great if you have got all aircrafts.

 

I want players to enjoy online campaign. With fighting for front line movement, with feelings of aircraft superiority and limited amounts. Some approximation to war simulation with interesting gameplay. I have a vision of this. And I implement my vision to the server. Step by step.

Edited January 5, 2017 by 72AG_Crusader

[Otto_bann]

Hi,

 

Ground kills by Jabo stay on no gain in points (except flight time)?

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

I would say 460 for a clean one... And emergency power 1.3 ata for 5 minutes only. At combat power I think (not sure) the i16 is fatser low by a few km/h.

 

Anyway it is a very nice duel, i did not pointed the differences to be negative about it, but to point the fact it is actually one of the most balanced duel we can have with current planeset.

Sea Level

 

Bf109E-7: Closed Radiators (you can close them in straight and level flight, all of them) and Nose Heavy Trim (-100% to -60%) will give you 460 at 1.23ata/2300rpm and 475/2400rpm. This actually Practical .

 

Bf110E: Closed Rads: 445 at 1.25ata/2400 and 455 at 1.3ata/2450rpm

 

I-16: Continuous: 420; "Boosted": 450

[606_hayes]

it;s not racing.......if bf-110 or bf-109 recognize the i-16 on "six", I-16 have no chance to short the distance and kill. Bf can go to light dive or with "boost" one or two minutes can make a a altitude advantage......it;s not balanced planset....it;s not.

and BF110 is almost same. Came to target and level 2000+, dive to target, drop bombs and fly home. and now we have two options: I16 above bf110....but bf110 can dive and I16 can......dive too but without effect. second option : I16 are below bf110, so bf110 can shot some i16, drop the bombs and fly home.  ...

and this is experience from this evening......

 

red can only defend. germans are able to stop fight whenever they want.

..and this how its look like on server every evening...  http://www.rajce.net/f1129281721  

 

a pre tých prisprostých, ktorí majú problém s mojou angličtinou to napíšem aj po slovensky.

toto nie je zavodná hra.

Ak bf110 alebo bf109 za rozpozná za sebou I16, tak tá nemá žiadnu šancu ju dobehnúť a zostreliť. Bf môže isť do mierneho klesania alebo s "boostom" nabrať výškovú prevahu a odstúpať.  ..... nie je to balancovaný planest...nie je.

a bf110 je skoro to isté. priletí k cielu vo výške 2000+, strmhlavo to pustí dole, odhodí bomby a spokone letí domov. a I16 má v podstate dve možnosti. alebo bude nad: a bf110 si to klesne k cielu a I16 ...moôže klesnúť tiež ale bez efektu. alebo je I16 pod bf110tkymi, takže bf110 môže po ceste k cielu zostreliť ešte jednu dve I16tky.

 

pri tomto nastavení leitadiel sa mlžu červení iba brániť.

...a nieco o prečislení , ktoré je bežné snáď každý večer na servere.......link above