Bf-110 E2 Skins

[A-E-Hartmann]

Panzerbar

 

Excellent work . Thank you .

[707shap_Srbin]

 

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[A-E-Hartmann]

Thank you very much . Nice work .

[A-E-Hartmann]

Thank you Spektre.  

[Boomerang]

All the 110 skins look excellent

Thank you very, very much

[Zargos]

Hello,
 
I'm starting a new skin (from a suggestion of a pilot of our squad).
A plane of the NJG1 converted for sea operations : the plane received a RLM72 (dark sea green) painting over the standard overall black layer.
Thanks to Panzerbar and its sharkmouth templates it took me only a few minutes to create this black/red mouth ...
 
A couple of screen shots of the raw skin (still WIP):

 

There are many things left to do before the release.

Be patient !

[707shap_Srbin]

 

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27.05.42

9./ZG 26

Bf 110E-2, 3797, 3U+ET

Zwischen El Cheima und Mteifel

Flakbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.

 

Oblt Johannes Bergfleth, Flugzeugführer (Staffelkapitän) KiA

Fw Karl Schupfner, Bordfunker KiA

[707shap_Srbin]

 

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This aircraft (usual mount of Ofw. Heller of 8./ZG26) was lost on 24.12.41, when new Gruppenkomandeur (and ex-StaKa of 9./ZG26), Hptm Thomas Steinberger took it 3U+OS on ferry flight between Athens and Crete, but never arrived and was lost without trace in waters of Mediterranian sea.

[Zargos]

Here we are ! The NJG1 skin is finished !

This BF110E-2 (some sources say that it is a model C) from the 4./NJG1 was involved in the "Donnerkiel" operation in 1942. This operation was supposed to protect the Kreigsmarine during Cerberus operation. At this occasion, somme BF110 of the NJG1 received a RLM72 sea green painting over the nightfighters standard black paint scheme.
I tried to reproduce the raw quality of this temporary painting and also a weathering related to seashore conditions.

Credits : thank you Panzerbar for sharing your sharkmouths. This had allowed me to create this black and red mouth in a few clicks !

I must confess that I'm especially proud of this skin ... that's the reason why I post more pictures than usally.



















I hope you'll enjoy it as well

Available here : http://www.unbound-frogs.org/zsf/2015/12/10/bf110e2-4-njg1/

Last minute :

As I was collecting information about this plane when writting this post I've founded thit picture of "my" G9+JM :



One can see clearly the RLM72 delimitation around the unit codes ...
Update to come !

 

Update done during the cofee break (download link above).

 

Edited December 10, 2015 by UF_Zargos

[Trooper117]

@ Zargos... Very nice mate... great skin!

Edited December 10, 2015 by Trooper117

[Zargos]

Hello guys !

I'm sorry but you'll have to reload the 4./NJG1 skin : there was a bug in the former dds file.

 

Here is the right version : http://www.unbound-frogs.org/zsf/skins-bos/zsf/zsf-skin-bos-018.rar

[707shap_Srbin]

Zargos, great skin.

Just two cents.

 

Personally, I dont beleive in "special" maritime camouflage for that operation. This must be complicated, especially when You are trying to find some hundred kilograms of special maritime colors, wich were issued to very little of regiments - Kustenflieger Gruppen, Seenotdienst and so on.

 

IMHO, that what is painted on uppersurfaces, is simply RLM75 with spots and sparks of RLM74. At that time, overall RLM22 was (rare, only as experiment) were replaced by usual daytime 74/75/76 colors. Sometimes, only undersurfaces were painted in RLM22.

 

Code - It is RLM77, and only "J" have white outline. But is is still same color as other letters, i.e. light gray. Not green.

 

Be attended to "squared" shape of "G" letter and lower part of "J" letter.

 

 

 

Edited December 10, 2015 by 1./ZG1_Panzerbar

[707shap_Srbin]

HereYou are:

 

Operation Donnerkeil, and Bf110E's of 9./NJG3 (ex-6./ZG76 of "Schark Gruppe") during final stage of operation, Norway.

 

Here You can see RLM76 waves over standart 74/75/76. It is early 1942!

 

 

 

Note: not all of III./NJG3 aircrafts had sharkmouth, and not all have a row of national flags under cockpit. It seems only "II./ZG76 veterans" had them. 

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

-snip-

 

Here You can see RLM76 waves over standart 74/75/76. It is early 1942!

 

-snip

 

Actually, all I see is grayscale. 

[TG-55Panthercules]

Hmm - I tried reading through this thread and doing a little other searching but may have missed something, but I haven't been able to find anything about whether (and if so, why) the radio antenna post (I assume that's what it is, anyway) above the canopy really had what looks like a bare wooden portion at the base like the BoS Bf-110 template seems to have (see my personal skin below for example):

 

[acred99]

Zargos, great skin.

Just two cents.

 

Personally, I dont beleive in "special" maritime camouflage for that operation. This must be complicated, especially when You are trying to find some hundred kilograms of special maritime colors, wich were issued to very little of regiments - Kustenflieger Gruppen, Seenotdienst and so on.

 

IMHO, that what is painted on uppersurfaces, is simply RLM75 with spots and sparks of RLM74. At that time, overall RLM22 was (rare, only as experiment) were replaced by usual daytime 74/75/76 colors. Sometimes, only undersurfaces were painted in RLM22.

 

Code - It is RLM77, and only "J" have white outline. But is is still same color as other letters, i.e. light gray. Not green.

 

Be attended to "squared" shape of "G" letter and lower part of "J" letter.

 

Hi

This is Matthew from www.asisbiz.com 

I have been following some of your comments and love some of the historical information you have included.

I'm not sure but I thought that they did alter some of the paint schemes for this mission.

[Zargos]

Hello,

 

Thank you both of you Matthew and Panzerbar for your comments and documents.

As very often regarding Luftwaffe paint scheme, it seems that exceptions are the rule !

One my right Panzerbar with its "RLM74 theory" and on my left Matthew with a picture of a "green over black" BF110 !

I know that colour picture of WWII are not always accurate with colours but this one seems convincing because the grass colour is almost the sames as the colour of the planes. And in general the grass is more green than RLM74 !

 

So, you know what guys ?

1. First I'm going to redraw the tactical codes according Panzerbar advice.
2. Then I need additionnal information about the colour of the J. If I refer to the official Luftwaffe color code the J should be green as the plane is from the 4. staffel. But is this rule still stands for night fighters ? Looking closely to the picture that Panzerbar had posted it seem that the J is the same color (grey) as the other letters.
3. I'm certainly going to make a RLM74 variant of this plane. Because I still consider that both RLM72 and RLM74 paintings are possible, even the RLM72 is not the more likely (but it is the more beautiful to my opinion).

As a conclusion to this post, I want to say that I really appreciate the showdown between simulation and history. It enlarges the skinner point of view and allow him to get closer to the history.

Once again, thank you all for your help and support !

I come back as soon as I have something knew to show you !

Edited December 11, 2015 by UF_Zargos

[A-E-Hartmann]

hi ,

 

For tactical codes for these units are gray .

 

For the photo above she colorisé .Here is the original :

 

 

[A-E-Hartmann]

The colour was RLM 72 Seegrün and was temporarily applied for the covering of the operation Donnerkeil, the passage of Scharnhorst and Gneisenau through the channel. The RLM 72 was a greyish tone although it is described as Seegrün.

[Zargos]

OK for the tactical codes.

Just a comment about the overall black paint schemes that Panzerbar had mentionned as "experimental" : the pictures above seem to demonstrate that the NJG1 was an experimental staffel for the overall RLM22 painting ...

[Zargos]

Skin update to comme :

 

1. Version with RLM74 or RLM72 overpainting

 

 

2. New tactical codes :

 

 

Soon online.

[707shap_Srbin]

 

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[707shap_Srbin]

Even if we will hold off problems of gaining "sea" paint for short operation, there were many things to consider that "grey uppersurfaces color" as NOT RLM72, but "normal" RLM74 or RLM75 (more likely IMHO).

 

There are many photos wich show Bf110 in such camou, but from many other units and timeframes.

 

This is Bf110E D5+IM" of 4./NJG3, summer 1942. Half-a-year after "Donnerkeil".

 

 

 

 

 

This is Bf110F-4 of Stab./NJG3, summer 1943. "Donnerkeil" is far in the past. But You may see black undersurfaces and gray uppersurfaces.

 

 

 

 

 

Also, keep in mind hundreds of photos of Ju88 night fighters with same style of camouflage. Are they were repainted in "sea" colors too?

 

I agree with RLM04 yellow fuselage band (as it confirmed by other photos), but I doubt G9+JM had "shark mouth". Photo shows us only a miserable part of nosecone, and its hard to say what exactly there is. All I know - cerrect me if I am wrong - shark mouth was used only by III./NJG3, as it was formed from famous II./ZG76. 

 

I have G9+HN of Oblt. Herget, during his forcelanding in Norway on Donnerkeil operation. It is overall RLM22 black, it had RLM77 aircraft codes (H outlined in white), victory marks and a row of national flags (tradition of many ex-ZG76 pilots), but it had no shark mouth!

 

"Sea" green-gray color - the only mention of it I found in "Nachtjager" Vol.I of Luftwaffe Colors/Classic Colors, the series I found containing loooots of mistakes, errors and speculative interpretations of colored profiles.

[Zargos]

Many interesting information from Panzerbar, thank you.

[707shap_Srbin]

Zargos, mate - may I ask You to make heavy exhaust, oil leaks on engine and rudders and other stuff? 

 

 

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[707shap_Srbin]

I mean - for example as on pictures in this post.

http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/3062-obsuzhdenie-99-j-chasti-dnevnikov-razrabotchika/?p=303962

[Zargos]

Zargos, mate - may I ask You to make heavy exhaust, oil leaks on engine and rudders and other stuff?

 

Check MP Panzerbar ...

[=HH=Pauk]

5./ZG 1. S9+EN Pilot: Oberfeldwebel Willi Dibowski, radio operator: Unteroffizier Kurt Meier. Konstantinovka, Soviet Union, July 13, 1942

 

DOWNLOAD:

https://www.mediafire.com/?kihwkcejqk2l4cd

 

 

5./ZG 1. G9+IN Soviet Union, October 1942

 

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https://www.mediafire.com/?687wjqb6c180z4c

Mate, add any four numbers, please. It's for my movie   

5./ZG 1. S9+EN

5./ZG 1. G9+IN

...

 

maybe

5./ZG 1. G9+BN

5./ZG 1. G9+CN

5./ZG 1. G9+DN

5./ZG 1. G9+EN

5./ZG 1. G9+IN

 

 

Edited December 17, 2015 by =HH=Pauk

[XQ_Lothar29]

Mate, add any four numbers, please. It's for my movie   

5./ZG 1. S9+EN

5./ZG 1. G9+IN

...

 

maybe

5./ZG 1. G9+BN

5./ZG 1. G9+CN

5./ZG 1. G9+DN

5./ZG 1. G9+EN

5./ZG 1. G9+IN

 

 

Pauk, you're going to make a movie? I can participate.. Salute 

[=HH=Pauk]

Pauk, you're going to make a movie? I can participate.. Salute

A few tanks and planes, a little war of bots )

And so the summer skins need to have planes with different board numbers.

[707shap_Srbin]

Pauk - do You need ZG1 skins, or just any historical Bf110 skins?

P.S. ZG1 NEVER USED "G9" as VbKz! Only "S9" and "2N" (and 1E for Erg.Staffel./ZG1 in 1944).

[=HH=Pauk]

Ok, historical, but all of the same group.
Summer skin, like this

but, I know about your rule: no swastika

[=HH=Pauk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb__C7PJ_lA

[=HH=Pauk]

E69_Lothar29, your skin is very nice, but it's not quite summer and have no yellow line (the eastern front)

P.S.
Guys, sorry for my english, I try)

[Zargos]

Hello,

 

As I'm a lazzy skiner, I decided to create a new ZG26 skin from the former one I've made. The paint scheme is the same as well as many elements of the weathering but the paint chipping is different.

 

The skin represent a Bf110B of the ZG26 Stab, flown by Wilhelm Schaefer in 1942.

The original :
 

 
The skin in game :
 

 
Download here : http://www.unbound-frogs.org/zsf/2015/12/17/bf110e-2-stab-zg26-3ubc/

 

See you soon.

Edited December 18, 2015 by UF_Zargos

[Pierre64]

Nice "all green" Bf 110.

But probably no more operational 110 B with Jumo engines in 1942? Could you check the date

[707shap_Srbin]

Hello,

 

As I'm a lazzy skiner, I decided to create a new ZG26 skin from the former one I've made. The paint scheme is the same as well as many elements of the weathering but the paint chipping is different.

 

The skin represent a Bf110B of the ZG26 Stab, flown by Wilhelm Schaefer in 1942.

The original :

 

 

 

The skin in game :

 

 

 

Download here : http://www.unbound-frogs.org/zsf/2015/12/17/bf110e-2-stab-zg26-3ubc/

 

See you soon.

 

Why Bf110B? Here You are, Bf110C-1, 3U+AC and 3U+BC of Vollbracht and Schaefer

Edited December 18, 2015 by 1./ZG1_Panzerbar

[707shap_Srbin]

 

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[Zargos]

 

 

Why Bf110B?

 

Because I had no other picture than the one I've shown in my post.

Yours give another point of view.

Thanks !

 

By the way ? Did you received my MP's ?

[707shap_Srbin]

Yes.

I'll try to do it by myself

But after I'll finish all "main" skins, for II./ZG26, I and II./ZG2, I and II./ZG1 and I and II./SKG210.