PERFORMANCE ISSUES and frame rate issues.

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

The only way to make the game run smooth on my system is locking fps at 30. I have AA 4x and no HDR and other effects off. Visibility 4x.

 

 

Game runs rock solid on 30 fps and very rare micro stutters considering I am flying bf110 90% of time on the deck.

 

 

Anyway, I was playing 60 fps before summer updates. Something must be done.

Edited November 29, 2015 by 6./ZG26_Gielow

[XQ_Lothar29]

some of my 71st brethren have found that running with;

 

my setting in the NVIDIA control panel 3D program Settings make a profile for BOS. exe

 

if you don't have NVIDIA and your on a AMD ATI card try setting the threaded optimization to off.

 

3D settings BOS1.jpg

 

3D settings BOS2.jpg

 

if this does not work for you, more than likely you may not meet the minimums for this game.

 

its really suxs your GPU 100%.

 

and the guys with blue screens is usually a hardware conflict, and or not enough RAM.

What???!!

 

A Update before if I had a good setup for this game, and not now? 

 

and that many people around the world with this simulator

 

Is not suficient

 

I7 4790K

16Gb Ram

GTX 680 

 

is not suficient 

 

or 4.0GHZ CPU speed is not sufficient, Tell me that you have machine

 

because really we're not the only ones. for many people, but they can not write in English

[NN_RugbyGoth]

If a GTX 970 isn't enought you can write the game off right away.

 

Compared to DCS, where I get 140 FPS in the new engine, BoS is terribly underoptimised.

If memory is the key, even a 980 if it only has 2Go of RAM could have problems. I must say, we have a very poorly optimized code with this 1.105

 

Devs, it's your call now!

Edited November 29, 2015 by NN_RugbyGoth

[NN_Elanion]

For french speaking only :  

"Mon expérience en vol est devenue,depuis la dernière update,moins fluide et même par moment bien "désagréable" et saccadée (carte graphique RAM 1 Go Nvidia GTX 560 ti).
Un truc bizarre est que les fps affichés par EDF restent à un niveau supérieur à 25-30 même lorsque le paysage semble avancer par petits et rapides à-coup.
Dommage que BOS semble plus exigeant au niveau matos que ces derniers mois "

 

You can read a french post about this "problême" here: http://www.checksix-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=437&t=191975

 

 

(i must to say "BOS is fabulous for me despite a few pb " :)   THX ++++)

 

 

[XQ_Lothar29]

Video Rec from My Smartphone

 

Video Sttutering,

 

[MadisonV44]

As I'm no more in a mood for flying with the 1.105 (fly experience became so painful ... ) I spent my time to do additional tests  : 

 

1- Took a track a in 1.105, 16 planes dog-fighting over Stalingrad in average cloudy situation

2- Launch Fraps benchmarks

3- Replay in 1.105 + benchmark 

4- Replay in 1.104 + benchmark (*) 

 

Result -> Very slight differences in terms of min / max and average FPS between the two versions with my 680 GTX

So I guess the guilty performance is definitely not related to FPS !!

In addition, Micro stuttering are far more perceptible in MP compared to SP (even if they remain annoying in SP ... )  

 

My two cents : the 2 guilty are Network code + Memory management (pushed to the limits)

 

(*) I always keep the 3 last versions to compare FM since a lots of change are not reported in dev update ... huge changes in 109 & 190 behavior for ex. between 1.103 and 1.105 ... Mouhahahahah 

[XQ_Lothar29]

For french speaking only :  

"Mon expérience en vol est devenue,depuis la dernière update,moins fluide et même par moment bien "désagréable" et saccadée (carte graphique RAM 1 Go Nvidia GTX 560 ti).

Un truc bizarre est que les fps affichés par EDF restent à un niveau supérieur à 25-30 même lorsque le paysage semble avancer par petits et rapides à-coup.

Dommage que BOS semble plus exigeant au niveau matos que ces derniers mois "

 

You can read a french post about this "problême" here: http://www.checksix-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=437&t=191975

 

 

(i must to say "BOS is fabulous for me despite a few pb " :)   THX ++++)

I am Understand perfect Friend, i am Live in Girona.. Neighbors 40Km from Montpellier

[SYN_Mike77]

some of my 71st brethren have found that running with;

 

my setting in the NVIDIA control panel 3D program Settings make a profile for BOS. exe

 

if you don't have NVIDIA and your on a AMD ATI card try setting the threaded optimization to off.

 

3D settings BOS1.jpg

 

3D settings BOS2.jpg

 

if this does not work for you, more than likely you may not meet the minimums for this game.

 

its really suxs your GPU 100%.

 

and the guys with blue screens is usually a hardware conflict, and or not enough RAM.

So I went into my nvidia control panel and discovered I did not even have specific settings for BoS!!!  How is that possible?  Anyway, I used Mastifs settings and in a quick test flight noticed a huge performance upgrade.  It was a light test and I will be doing more extensive test soon.  On the blue screen crashes.  I had already figured out that  the problem was on my end.  I had unplugged my printer without uninstalling it. Plugged it back in and no more blue screen crashes.  Although the stuttering low fps and freezes remained.  I am hopeful that this to shall pass thanks to Mastif.  UPvote for Mastif!

[NN_Elanion]

@ Lothar29:bonjour à la Catalogne.

 

Peux-tu expliquer ici si tu as toi aussi des problêmes sur la fluidité du jeu ?

Peux-tu éventuellement parler de ce problême avec d' autres pilotes de ton groupe ( E 69) ? Et en parler ici afin d' espèrer que les développeurs prennent bien en considération ce problême.Des copains pilotes ne peuvent pas voler sur BOS pour raison matérielle et ça ne risque pas de s' arranger apparemment .

 

Merci à vous et bon vol .

Adeu (google).

Edited November 29, 2015 by Elanion

[MadisonV44]

So I went into my nvidia control panel and discovered I did not even have specific settings for BoS!!!  How is that possible?  Anyway, I used Mastifs settings and in a quick test flight noticed a huge performance upgrade.  It was a light test and I will be doing more extensive test soon.  On the blue screen crashes.  I had already figured out that  the problem was on my end.  I had unplugged my printer without uninstalling it. Plugged it back in and no more blue screen crashes.  Although the stuttering low fps and freezes remained.  I am hopeful that this to shall pass thanks to Mastif.  UPvote for Mastif!

 

I tested Mastiff setting with flight mates today.

We discovered that some of the setting are helping (texture filtering on Quality instead of High Quality are not altering too much the flight experience for example), good point ... thank you Mastiff 

 

BUT ... Stuttering remains especially in MP.

Once again I'm convinced that the guilty is not related to FPS (see my Fraps test 1.104 vs 1.105 above ...)

[XQ_Lothar29]

Max problems is Stuttering. even the FPS have fallen considerably

Edited November 29, 2015 by E69_Lothar29

[Pollux]

Same here, stutterings, very big FPS drop and Track IR lacked fluidity ... flying is painful

 

No problem before update 1.105

(Windows 7 SP1 64 Bits, i7-3770 @ 3.90GHz, 32 Go Ram, GeForce GTX 680)

+ 1

 

Windows 7 SP1 64 Bits, i7-2600K @ 3.40GHz, 8 Go Ram, ATI 6970 2Go Ram

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

 I noticed stuttering too. 

[Ala13_Super6_1]

 I noticed stuttering too, we need fix now.

[Luger1969]

Hi guys.

 

I dont have a FPS problem but a certain microstrutter problem. Depending on activity etc FPS runs from 30-60 fps in ultra (I have tried from balanced to ultra does not impact fps significantly). The micro stutts happen irrespective whether on balanced or high or ultra. The stutters happen mostly when enemy aircraft flies in front of me or cross from left to right or vice versa.

If it is my system then no prob and I will live with it, if not and you can advise then I would be grateful.

 

[a]Intel® Core™ i7-4710MQ Processor (6M Cache, up to 3.50 GHz)

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-4710MQ-Notebook-Processor.115117.0.html

http://ark.intel.com/products/78931/Intel-Core-i7-4710MQ-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_50-GHz

NVIDIA Quadro K2200M

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2598/quadro-k2200m.html

Dedicate video memory 2048MB gddr5

[c]NVIDIA control panel: attached

[d]Game settings:

Sound bitrate: Low

Graphics: Full screen ticked,  Distance Landscape x 2,  AA 4

 

Kind regards.

 

 

NVIDIA AND GPU.pdf

Edited November 29, 2015 by Chandalier1969

[richtervonboyce]

• Well I have to say that all of you coming out and being like hey! We got a problem is awesome. And if mastiff is are unsung hero when it comes to helping us, make sure we give him a big thanks! Keep it up, keep giving tips and tricks everyone and eventually we will figure this out.

VIVA LA REVOLUTION !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NN_RugbyGoth]

Ok, guys, now I know why the stuttering even if some of you have very powerfull rigs!

 

A directx9.0c 32bits game can only address 4Gb of RAM IN TOTAL (system + video). So the game will have to use only those 4Gb, the devs had to make choices about how ram is used between video and system. It seems that, for now, we have 1.5Gb System/2.5Gb video. And in 1.105 it seems to be not enough to run the game.

 

So, don't bother changing your video card (unless you have a 1Gb one like me) or adding more RAM, what we need is a game built in 64bits! 

 

Sources : http://www.avsim.com/topic/373830-videomemoryoverride-does-it-really-work/; http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/32-bit-vs-64-bit-how-it-relates-to-video-cards.91260/

[coconut]

 

 

A directx9.0c 32bits game can only address 4Gb of RAM IN TOTAL (system + video)

 

IIRC Jason explained that's why we have blinking skins and low-detail damage textures. 

[NN_RugbyGoth]

IIRC Jason explained that's why we have blinking skins and low-detail damage textures. 

Seems like even with those trade off the game needs more RAM available...

[VBF-12_Snake9]

As for invisible planes, a special log to bug track was made and reports asked for when this problem was encountered,

 

Not a good example of dev's ignoring an issue

 

Cheers Dakpilot

 

Example of something else then?  

 

Invisible planes.  Over a year still no fix.  Good job team.  

 

Hit sounds.  Over two years still no fix.  Good job team.

 

Trim on axis.  Over two years still no fix.  Good job team.

 

Random crashes.  Over a year still no fix.  Good job team.

 

As for stuttering, do a search.  The problem has been re-accruing every few months since early access.  In fact I bought a brand new 970 to solve the problem last year.  It worked until once again the code was broken.  

 

At least they could be truthful and say we are trying, but we don't know what the hell is going on.  That would be better than silence.    

[NN_RugbyGoth]

Example of something else then?  

 

Invisible planes.  Over a year still no fix.  Good job team.  

 

Hit sounds.  Over two years still no fix.  Good job team.

 

Trim on axis.  Over two years still no fix.  Good job team.

 

Random crashes.  Over a year still no fix.  Good job team.

 

As for stuttering, do a search.  The problem has been re-accruing every few months since early access.  In fact I bought a brand new 970 to solve the problem last year.  It worked until once again the code was broken.  

 

At least they could be truthful and say we are trying, but we don't know what the hell is going on.  That would be better than silence.    

But now we know why the stuttering and the random crashes, thanks to a debug message they added in 1.105!

 

So now we can put some pressure on the devs so we can have a fix about this RAM limitation ASAP

 

For my part, the hit sounds are just right, you just have to put the sound at 100% and then turn it down in windows sound mixer.

 

PS : Inivisble planes/structures can be side effects of ram lacking, no more space for the skin, so no skin... But I'm not convinced by this explanation...

[MadisonV44]

Excellent analysis regarding the memory management, thank u Rubby

 

For my part, the hit sounds are just right, you just have to put the sound at 100% and then turn it down in windows sound mixer.

 

[Off topic - will open a thread]

 

Since the 1.105 there are a lot of pilots unable to use this turnaround.

You can't put the sound louder and balance it with the Windows sound mixer since the sound mixing is no more memorized in windows. So you will have to do the procedure in the windows mixer each time you launch the game. 

 

[End of the Off Topic] 

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

might want to try another trick, in NVIDIA Control Panel

 

change the setting to this, from Full-Screen to Aspect ratio

 

 

 

 

I know this isn't fun stuff to have issues like this; but I can only help, and possibly try and get the DEVS to see maybe what is occurring to make a fix for this.

 

also in the game setup uncheck full screen

 

it could be a number of issues SSD transfer ratio to ram to read write speeds, number of thing could cause video stutters, even recently I had issues with micro stutters in CLOD and it was NVIDIA's Drivers only
it took BF4's microstutters to get them NVIDIA  fix BF4 inturn which fix this (CLOD) game.

Edited November 29, 2015 by 71st_Mastiff

[kissklas]

GTX 970 G1 overclocked with 150mhz

i7 960 overclocked at 4.2ghz

I'm getting FPS into the low 20s on the ground in MP now. Glad to hear it's not just me.

[SYN_Mike77]

This afternoon (eastern US time) I got online for two hours.  No crashes, no stutters.  Before1.105  I would get fps in the low to mid 30's on the ground that would quickly climb into the lower 50's once I got a little altitude. After 1.105 I was in the teens to low 20's on the ground with lots of freezes and stutters.  In the air I would do some better but nothing like before.  After Mastif's suggestions for tweaks in Nvidia control panel I am back to where I was before this latest patch.  Not the greatest, but I am happy and can play just fine.  So one more big thanks to Mastif.  Now I got to try his latest suggestion!

[Urra]

IIRC Jason explained that's why we have blinking skins and low-detail damage textures.

Way back when everyone was messing around with graphics terrain settings using "Coconuts file" i noticed a bit more smoothness and less hickups if the terrain was set to use the same detail level throughout. I know vanilla settings currenlty swap detail levels continously as you fly. Setting everything to 4096, or 2048(if video mem is lower?) might improve things a bit. Only downside to using Coconuts file is that the mission editor doesnt work as long as you have it active.maybe someone can try it and report back. I lost the link.

[XQ_Lothar29]

might want to try another trick, in NVIDIA Control Panel

 

change the setting to this, from Full-Screen to Aspect ratio

 

 

nofullscreen.jpg

 

I know this isn't fun stuff to have issues like this; but I can only help, and possibly try and get the DEVS to see maybe what is occurring to make a fix for this.

 

also in the game setup uncheck full screen

 

it could be a number of issues SSD transfer ratio to ram to read write speeds, number of thing could cause video stutters, even recently I had issues with micro stutters in CLOD and it was NVIDIA's Drivers only

it took BF4's microstutters to get them NVIDIA  fix BF4 inturn which fix this (CLOD) game.

that does not work, I tried all your settings, and does not woooork!! You Understand? 

 

because I start to believe you, I think the problem we have, and the problem is not ours, the problem is the patch 1.105. The solution is for developers look at how to fix this, that in the patch had 1,104 or

 

but we will look, How can you say that the solution is in NVIDIA Control Panel?  I've done a thousand different configurations within 48h, after this damned patch.  and before this patch had a stronger configuration that is and was much more fluid.. Yo really Understad or no? problem is last Update no more Turns

 

Ok? Salute From Spain

Edited November 30, 2015 by E69_Lothar29

[richtervonboyce]

I have uninstalled and reinstalled the sim and it has fixed a lot of issue. still not perfect but better.

[Urra]

Way back when everyone was messing around with graphics terrain settings using "Coconuts file" i noticed a bit more smoothness and less hickups if the terrain was set to use the same detail level throughout. I know vanilla settings currenlty swap detail levels continously as you fly. Setting everything to 4096, or 2048(if video mem is lower?) might improve things a bit. Only downside to using Coconuts file is that the mission editor doesnt work as long as you have it active.maybe someone can try it and report back. I lost the link.

 

Please ignore my post, this doesn't help at all. Stutters give me a headache...

Edited November 30, 2015 by roaming_gnome

[VBF-12_Snake9]

 

 

you just have to put the sound at 100% and then turn it down in windows sound mixer.

 

That's a old "so called cure", but doesn't work for many.  

[LY_LCT_ZaltysZ]

1st gen i7, 16GB RAM, GTX770 4GB, Win7 x64

 

1.103 was very good performance wise, and I was even playing with increased terrain visibility (x4). 1.104 took a huge performance hit: sometimes there were only around 10 FPS in furballs near airfields, and stuttering at high altitude was introduced. 1.105 is the same, if not worse when there are lots of tanks driving around.

[13Nrv]

+1

i ve lost fps , and some stutter appears too , reinstalling the game has been a little umprovement , but it s still way from being as smooth as before 1.105 .

I7 860 @2.8 + gtx 660 2g oc ed , 8 gigs ram ,1920X1080, last nvidia driver 359.00 , ultra , no hdr nor ssao , distance view X3 , perfectly smooth on 1.104 ...will try caping my fps to 30 ...

[Porkman]

I am also experiencing about 15-20 fps loss since 1.105 as well as stutters and lack of fluidity of Trackir and joystick inputs. Devs please hot fix asap. Was so much more fluid in 1.103.

 

I5-4690k @ 4.1 Ghz, R9 280xOC 3Gb Vram, newest drivers, win 10, 8 Gb 1833 MHz Ram.

 

In msi afterburner max gpu usage only hits 60%, max cpu usage only hits 60%, but fps staying between 25-40 when enemies around, used to get 45-60 before 1.105...

[Antiguo]

 

Hi  

Mastiff only you give your face? .... happens to the development team? ... do not open or mouth?

I think we deserve more than "go see this or that"

you have to be more serious and not launch something that has problems and bad reviews are won only

 

We want serious solutions......., if I did not throw the money away 

Edited November 30, 2015 by E69_antiguo

[NN_RugbyGoth]

Hey E69 guys, Mastif is only a tester located in US if i understood well. The devs are in russia, I believe that even if he can have access to them easier than us, he can't do anything to solve the problem, so you don't need to be rude with him, he tries to help us (thanks for the nvidia panel settings, Mastiff).

 

But, CheckSix just commented a thread next to this one, Mastiff tried to help, I believe that our concern is known by the devs team and I hope that they will take care of it. 

 

Keep on giving your settings and the performance drop you experienced with 1.105, the more we have data, the more likely a fix will come soon

[Antiguo]

Hey E69 guys, Mastif is only a tester located in US if i understood well. The devs are in russia, I believe that even if he can have access to them easier than us, he can't do anything to solve the problem, so you don't need to be rude with him, he tries to help us (thanks for the nvidia panel settings, Mastiff).

 

But, CheckSix just commented a thread next to this one, Mastiff tried to help, I believe that our concern is known by the devs team and I hope that they will take care of it. 

 

Keep on giving your settings and the performance drop you experienced with 1.105, the more we have data, the more likely a fix will come soon

 

 

 

 

Hi

 

Rude ? .... you know what you say? ... You've never seen me rude ... juassss would see my words .... I have not insulted or disrespected anyone

 

 

 

 I use a translator ... certainly I do not intend to be rude   

Edited November 30, 2015 by E69_antiguo

[NN_RugbyGoth]

When I saw your answer I guessed that we were lost in translation! Sorry about that and, like you, I would be happy to see an answer from a dev even if it's only to say that they know about the problem and that they will do something someday about it 

[richtervonboyce]

I've found a bug that when you attack a train and it stops it still has the sound as if its in motion same goes for planes that like belly land and what not. Reinstalling the game did help me at least, mp is playable and so is the sp. but there is still the flashing skins, fps stability, among other things. I have to say at this rate im afraid to see what battle of Moscow going to turn out like. you can bedazzle a turd but at the end of the day its still a turd. Amazing graphics are awesome but performance is what brings all together. So hopefully the devs have something up there sleeves.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

They have how many - One developer for game engine? This is not enough to elevate game engine to modern standards. They can only make new planes/objects and maps, forget that in current employment they are able to do dx12,64 bit or fixing some engine issues.

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

I haven't read all the posts but...

 

I remember a stutter issue in the past.  It was suggested to uninstall GeForce Experience.  I assume shutting it down is the same thing.  This helped a lot back in the day.  Maybe someone could give it a whirl or let me know if it has already been tested.