Would you rather have a new Battle of X that follows BOM and BOS(plane capabilities) or would you like something new?

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

As to the pacific being boring.... I figure since the map has one island on it its pretty clear where the action is. that 100 person server suddenly doesn't feel so empty.

Not sure, people always find a way to start a furball 42km out at sea

[74_jim_nihilist]

I am not a statistician, I only wanted to open some eyes to the truth of the PC market.  The US Pioneered PC gaming in the 1990's when Russia was still coming out of the Soviet coma, and despite the console revolution, which is petering out a bit BTW, the US is still the largest PC market in the world by a long shot.

Nervethless I think a Pacific scenario is the financially least viable I assume. No matter how much we like it or don't like it.

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

The question is the actual gameplay don't have use for this things, transport function is just script in mission can be done by any plane, downed planes/pilots disappear in few instants... parachute troops for do what?  In il-2'46 serves only for lag the mission.   In WB online they blow up the control tower... 

 

Better tanks that flyable Ju-52 e cia.   

 

Paratroopers could capture airfields, villages hold bridges etc. All vital things in example the "Friday night bomber missions" that goes on every Friday.

 

If it would be done right, then it could be pretty cool

 

And about the downed pilots, I think the devs would be able to do some work to make it into a fine mechanic 

Edited November 12, 2015 by McKvack

[TheElf]

Don't get mw wrong I love the planes from pacific but weren't all the big air battles out at sea or over tiny islands. I think that would be quite boring besides the novelty of mastering that kind of flying

 

Battle of Guadalcanal, Battle of Port Moresby, Battle of Fortress Rabaul, the Marshall Island raids, Battle of the Cora Sea, Battle of Midway, Battle of the Phillipine Sea,  Marianas Turkey Shoot, Battle of the Solomon Islands, Battle of Empress Augusta Bay, Battle of Tokyo...on and on

 

Yeah these were all boring...lol.

[TheElf]

Nervethless I think a Pacific scenario is the financially least viable I assume. No matter how much we like it or don't like it.

 

Based on.....????

[TheElf]

@ Pacific

I remember from old sturmovik times that every time our czech-slovak community server loaded pacific map,most of blue players disconnected.Very few "LW" pilots where willing to burn in zekes...

SP would be very boring with huge distances to cover.Even with eastern front people complain to fly missions that merely take 30min to fly.

MP will require scaled maps to be anything close to fun.

 

This is a commmon occurrence and is no different from the opposite perspective.  When I played IL-2 1946 on Warbirds of Prey, they had two dedicated servers

 

Spits & 109s 

 

And Zekes & Wildcats

 

So ETO and PTO Servers.  THe ETO maps ranged from Europe/Normandy to North Africa (mostly due to the plane set commonality) to Italy to Russia, and Sicily.  When the map rolled to Russia guess what...The server emptied.  But there were enough players back then that those who left were replaced by those who loved the Eastern Front Maps and planesets.  I chose to stay and LEARN about the russian planes.  I got my ass handed to me for a long time, but I finally figured it out and began to enjoy all aspects an theaters of WWII Air Combat.

 

This game NEEDS MORE PLAYERS.  In particular it needs Western players.

 

In the PTO, there were Axis players who almost exclusively flew Zekes, and when the A6M2/F4F matchup switched to A6M5/F6F they bailed, but someone else came in and filled the gap.  I flew both sides.  And I enjoyed the challenges of flying a Zeke against a Hellcat and Corsair.  It is a different kind of fight in the Pacific, that is why many people don't "like" it.  Because its hard...

 

For me, that is why I play.  I like a challenge, not droning around at 6K in my F-4 waiting to pounce and run...

[74_jim_nihilist]

Based on.....????

Il2 Sturmovik?

The SilentHunter series?

Wargames?

 

All dipped their toe into the pacific, but in the end it always reverted back to Western Europe or the Eastern Front. I mean look at wargames. The War in the Pacific is the Niche in a Niche. I quite enjoy some pacific theatre games, because it is a nice pace of change to the usual WW2 games. But that says it also... the mainstream is somewhere else.

 

I believe most people relate most to the aircraft their countrymen flew back then (not all, but I think there are an awful lot more Germans flying LW instead of flying VVS). But where are the masses who want to fly Japanese aircraft?

 

In most other theatres you have Brits, Americans and Germans... much more viable and as a Russian developer 777 cater to their audience, which wants to fly VVS. And no I have no data to back it up.

Edited November 13, 2015 by 74_jim_nihilist

[TheElf]

Il2 Sturmovik?

The SilentHunter series?

Wargames?

 

All dipped their toe into the pacific, but in the end it always reverted back to Western Europe or the Eastern Front. I mean look at wargames. The War in the Pacific is the Niche in a Niche. I quite enjoy some pacific theatre games, because it is a nice pace of change to the usual WW2 games. But that says it also... the mainstream is somewhere else.

 

I believe most people relate most to the aircraft their countrymen flew back then (not all, but I think there are an awful lot more Germans flying LW instead of flying VVS). But where are the masses who want to fly Japanese aircraft?

 

In most other theatres you have Brits, Americans and Germans... much more viable and as a Russian developer 777 cater to their audience, which wants to fly VVS. And no I have no data to back it up.

 

I was the Air team lead for Admiral's Edition.  WitP is niche, but you can hardly compare the two... 

 

The Pacific done right yields US Navy, USMC, USAAC, IJN, IJAAF, New Zealand, RAAF, RN, RAF.  Plenty of action, plenty of variety in Aircraft, and the point of a new theater isn't necessarily to make the Russian flight sim community happy, its to add revenue and open the throttle of the BoS engine.  Until that happens the development future is in jeopardy. 

Edited November 13, 2015 by TheElf

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Breaking: 777 announces Pacific expansion with American aircraft. We proudly present you:

 

Il-2: Battle of Manchuria, featuring the P-63 Kingcobra!

[Feathered_IV]

I suspect 777 will need to look at their purchasing options for individual aircraft before too long.  If an MTO standalone/expansion did come along one day you would doubtless encounter plenty of:

 

"OMG WFT?!!.  All I wanna do is fly 190 all day long in Med and no buy Moscow.  WFT??!1 I so angry I make you No1 worst game on google! Y'all suck. 3rd raich roxx  bai!"

[LLv24_Zami]

About the Pacific. People complained a lot, I mean A LOT, about the winter maps and how boring it was. It chills me just to think about the pacific. Vast ocean. Couple of ships and few islands here and there. Not exactly a lot of change in scenery, I don`t think anyone can deny that.

 

I get that Brits and Americans are dying to get their beloved Spitfires and Mustangs. They are legendary and great aircraft for sure. But how about if it turns out that those planes are not all mighty that shoots everything down with left hand. I can imagine the amount of complaints and bashing what comes out of that as the developers are Russian. Biased and all that stuff. It could do more harm to the game than good. Just look at the few unnamed forums to get the idea 

 

Stick with the eastern front for the next episode, it is a sure bet IMO. 

Edited November 13, 2015 by Zami

[No601_Swallow]

About the Pacific...

 

Carrier landings, Zami! Don't tell me you don't think carrier landings are fun! Some of my most epic squadron nights in IL2 '46 were just shooting circuits trying to nail those landings, and howling with laughter as various comrades either rammed the stern of the Lexington or slithered off its bow. Great stuff. 

Edited November 13, 2015 by No601_Swallow

[Reflected]

After yesterday's news, the Tank battle of Kursk would be a very logical choice to continue.

 

This being said, it's only a large, boring steppe map what it would bring, along with some new aircrafts. Not sure if it's worth delaying the development of anything really new by another few years.

 

I'm sure 777 has a large size of the pie of the German and Russian markets. I don't think they can grow enough there by releasing another title. By the time they finish BoM, it will be high time for them to switch.

[LLv24_Zami]

Carrier landings, Zami! Don't tell me you don't think carrier landings are fun! Some of my most epic squadron nights in IL2 '46 were just shooting circuits trying to nail those landings, and howling with laughter as various comrades either ram the stern of the Lexington or slither off its bow. Great stuff. 

Agreed, they are fun. 

 

This being said, it's only a large, boring steppe map what it would bring, along with some new aircrafts. Not sure if it's worth delaying the development of anything really new by another few years.

 

Compared to the pacific it would be extremely diverse  .

Edited November 13, 2015 by Zami

[Reflected]

+ There are Islands in the Pacific. It doesn't have to be a 1000x1000 mile ocean map

 

But yeah: CARRIER LANDINGS!!!!

[Trooper117]

From the developers perspective... if its about making money, then they need to open up the toy box and move elsewhere. Give the eastern front a break.

 

If it's about following the heart and making a complete WWII eastern front experience from start to finish, then so be it, but at least they will be true to their goal.

 

But if money is more important, they have to move to other theatres with new horizons. That at a stroke would bring in more players = more revenue...

I get it that they have made an eastern front sim... but there are many  flight simmers out there that have no interest in that particular scene.

 

Having said that, time will tell... the last time I had a conversation with one of the devs, the Kuban was mentioned, but that was some time ago... we shall see

[steppenwolf]

I think the real success we all want 1C/777 to have will come from innovation outside planes sets and theatres.  

[II./JG77_Manu*]

Compared to the pacific it would be extremely diverse  .

 

you serious? 

 

of course....

 

THIS

 

is so much more interesting and diverse then....

 

 

this

 

 

 

some people just.....

[Feathered_IV]

I'd like to see this in the DN engine:

 

[LLv24_Zami]

you serious?

 

 

of course....

 

 

THIS

 

 

is so much more interesting and diverse then....

 

 

 

 

this

http://www.vielfalt-bewegt-

frankfurt.de/sites/default/files/medien/images/Orte/philippinen_coron_island.jpg

 

 

 

 

 

some people just.....

Are you serious?? :D Really?? :D

 

You put a pic of some little island. 99% of pacific theater is ocean...

 

You are right about some people though...

[Caudron431]

BoK - Battle of Kuban

 

 

Axis:

109 G6

190 A5

Hs 129

Do 217

Premium:

IAR 80/81

"Platin"(additional 20€ and you get a platin bar and all skins unlocked):

Ju52

 

Allies:

Yak 9D

La 5F

Tu-2

 IL-4

Premium:

P 39D

"Platin":

Po-2

+1 Best map and plane set possible for me. Great to complete what we already have and make it even more solid. Good post.

Edited November 13, 2015 by Yak9Micha

[LLv24_Zami]

+1 Best map and plane set possible for me. Great to complete what we already have and

make it even more solid. Good post.

Yes, Kuban would be my choise too.

[Reflected]

Which Eastern front scenario would have Spitfires? 

[Trooper117]

Which Eastern front scenario would have Spitfires? 

 

North Caucasus, Leningrad... any others?

[Dakpilot]

Spitfire Mk V for Kuban and  Mk IX used mainly for PVO and did not see much combat

 

 

Units

 

118 ORAP (PR Mk. IV and Mk. V)
7 IAP (Mk. V)
25 ZAP (Mk. V)
36 IAP (Mk. V)
57 GIAP (Mk. V)
821 IAP (Mk. V)
11 GIAP (Mk. IX)
16 IAP (Mk. V & Mk. IX)
26 GIAP (Mk. V & Mk. IX)
67 IAP (Mk. V)
102 GIAP (Mk. IX)
177 IAP (Mk. IX)
767 IAP (Mk. IX)
20 IAP (Mk. IX)

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Reflected]

Then Kuban could offer a great planeset with the 109G-6, the Spit Vb and Airacobra...

[Dakpilot]

Quite a reasonable overview of Battle for Kuban bridgehead

 

http://kplanes.tumblr.com/post/108680891735/k-planes-episode-35-the-kuban-meatgrinder

​

Cheers Dakpilot

[Dutchvdm]

I'm all about planes that where actually used on the front-line with substantial numbers and don't really care about obscure aircraft. But i must admit that i would like to see the FW-189 in the next scenario. I think Kuban would be great for that. I know it's only a recon plane, but ROF has proven that flying non-combat duties in a RE8 can be fun and rewarding. 

 

Grt Martijn 

[I./JG1_Baron]

I have a dream - Battle of France 1940

 

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

If a Kuban or Kursk theatre comes out I think at least an AI Fw-189 will be added. The Rama was very important across all of the Eastern Front, and was the centerpiece to many great aerial duels. The Luftwaffe would give heavy priority to escorting tactical recon aircraft, while the Soviet Air Force would also send out whatever they had to intercept them.

 

I think a Battle of France plane set would fit a Leningrad one perfectly - minus the I-153, it's an interesting one. Add a Spitfire to it and you can already create a Mediterranean map to go with it too.

[Saurer]

I have a dream - Battle of France 1940

 

 

 

I'd like that

[SvAF/F19_Klunk]

Carrier landings, Zami! Don't tell me you don't think carrier landings are fun! Some of my most epic squadron nights in IL2 '46 were just shooting circuits trying to nail those landings, and howling with laughter as various comrades either rammed the stern of the Lexington or slithered off its bow. Great stuff.

 

I totally concurr! even though carrier operations wasn't implemented really up to the expectations I had with Pacific; it still produced completely new dimensions of challenges. Not only was the landing itself an additional challenge after a dogfight or attackrun.. especially when we got new water physics with rolling decks... the navigational challenge was also a bit plus for me. I Really Really would love to see how this team would bring Kaga, Akagi, Yorktown, Lexington and all these wonderful carrierbased planes to life

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I know we always focus on the carrier aspect in a PTO scenario but I always love watching fleet operations with the other capitol and support ships in '46. There are surface targets galore which can more than make up for the lack of scenery in some scenarios. And there is actually plenty of ground based operations as well. The missions just have to be designed well.

 

Still advocating for the MTO to start but hoping the series has long legs and we get to the PTO eventually.

[Cryptonomica]

Some very interesting ideas in this thread!

 

I think, personally, I'd to see somewhere with a coast and a bit of ocean, so there's options for some proper naval aviation and potentially some naval aircraft and torpedos.  I'd also like to see somewhere with some more hilly or mountainous terrain.  Other than that... I have no particular preference for which theater or which part of world war 2 we see next.

[SvAF/F19_Klunk]

I know we always focus on the carrier aspect in a PTO scenario but I always love watching fleet operations with the other capitol and support ships in '46. There are surface targets galore which can more than make up for the lack of scenery in some scenarios. And there is actually plenty of ground based operations as well. The missions just have to be designed well.

 

Still advocating for the MTO to start but hoping the series has long legs and we get to the PTO eventually.

indeed.. Guadal Canal would be an excellent scenario

[II./JG77_Manu*]

Are you serious?? :D Really?? :D

 

You put a pic of some little island. 99% of pacific theater is ocean...

 

You are right about some people though...

 

that some little island is in the Philippines, in the back you can see more "little islands", with forrests, beaches, mountains etc. In fact the Philippines are way bigger then any Map in this Franchise. There have been fierce fights going on, over quite some time. Same goes for Solomon Islands (including Guadalcanal), same goes for New Guinea, same goes for the Northern Marian Islands. Or the southern Japanese Islands (including Okinawa). Plenty of possible maps, with a way more interesting scenery then plain Kursk. Most of the crucial fights in PTO have been in those areas..only important exceptions with just small islands, and a lot of ocean are Midway and Wake. 

Just running down the whole Pacific theatre as "only ocean" doesn't show a lot of historical/geographical expertise. 

That said, i am still for Kuban as next theatre, like already stated. After that Africa and/or Italy. But i really really hope, that we will get the most interesting PTO theatres (Guadalcanal, Philippines) as well, in the future. Zeke-Wildcat, or Hayate-Corsair are just awesome matchups in my opinion, especially with this engine.  

[LLv24_Zami]

that some little island is in the Philippines, in the back you can see more "little islands"

, with forrests, beaches, mountains etc. In fact the Philippines are way bigger then any Map in this Franchise. There have been fierce

fights going on, over quite some time. Same goes for Solomon Islands (including Guadalcanal), same goes for New Guinea,

same goes for the Northern Marian Islands. Or the southern Japanese Islands (including Okinawa). Plenty of possible maps, with a way

more interesting scenery then plain Kursk. Most of the crucial fights in PTO have been in those areas..only important exceptions with

just small islands, and a lot of ocean are Midway and Wake.

Just running down the whole Pacific theatre as

"only ocean" doesn't show a lot of historical/geographical expertise.

That said, i am still for Kuban as next theatre,

like already stated. After that Africa and/or Italy. But i really really hope, that we will get the most interesting PTO theatres

(Guadalcanal, Philippines) as well, in the future. Zeke-Wildcat, or Hayate-Corsair are just awesome matchups in my opinion,

especially with this engine.

I know that is Philippines. I'm not an expert but we do have maps here. Still vast majority of the Pacific theater is ocean. Or maybe you have different maps. So when you put a picture of plain fields you should compare it to

picture of plain ocean.

 

But glad we agree on Kuban.

[II./JG77_Manu*]

I know that is Philippines. I'm not an expert but we do have maps here. Still vast majority of the Pacific theater is ocean. Or maybe you have different maps. So when you put a picture of plain fields you should compare it to

picture of plain ocean.

 

But glad we agree on Kuban.

 

 

that would be my Map. Plenty of land there. 

[LLv24_Zami]

 

 

 

that would be my Map. Plenty of land there.

Sure. How many carriers did operate in that area?

And you are comparing to the Kursk. It was a city, surrounded by villages and stuff. So plain fields don't really cover it.

You can yank this any way you want. You can't make ocean to mountains.

[II./JG77_Manu*]

Sure. How many carriers did operate in that area?

And you are comparing to the Kursk. It was a city, surrounded by villages and stuff. So plain fields don't really cover it.

You can yank this any way you want. You can't make ocean to mountains.

 

A lot, on both sides. This battle was both land based (USAAF,  Dai-Nippon Teikoku Rikugun) and naval/carrier based (USMC, IJN)

I don't have to make ocean to mountains. Plenty of mountains, including one very big one on Guadalcanal. If you'd have any idea about WW2 in the Paficic you'd know that. You didn't know a thing about the pacific theatre, posted nonsense, and now you are trying to save you with those posts, but every single one exposes more and more, that you have no idea about that. You have compared it to Kursk mate, not me. The discussion is over now, there is just no basic knowledge on your side. Enough off topic anyway.