Heavy Bomber DLC- Would You Pay ?

[Rjel]

17 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

You have to spawn them all at once if you want a coherent group.

A group was not a wing or an air force. I'm talking about a group size force of 18 heavy bombers. In my thoughts I've wondered if it would be possible someday to have 36 to 54 bombers visible with maybe others coming into view as those in front pass by. I guess that's where a simplified flight model and straight line flight plans would come into play for large numbers of heavies. Regardless, we're arguing possibilities and ideas we each have. Nothing more.

[Gambit21]

By "group" I mean a unit of objects in the editor...not talking 8th Air Force language here.

Visibility isn't really the issue...it's the number of AI "brains" active at one time.

[1_Robert_]

Anyone remember Rowan's Battle of Britain? Best dynamic campaign ever, and somehow they managed to litter the sky with aircraft. 

 

*Edit*  Sorry, I forgot to mention what my point was.. There was no point other than the game had huge bomber formations and we haven't seen anything like it since. I don't remember what the AI was like but I imagine it was dreadful to today's standards..

Edited April 24, 2018 by 1_Robert_

[Gambit21]

5 minutes ago, 1_Robert_ said:

Anyone remember Rowan's Battle of Britain? Best dynamic campaign ever, and somehow they managed to litter the sky with aircraft.

 

Yeah...the "somehow" is the dreadful AI as you've already eluded to.

Our computers get faster and faster, and the software get's more and more sophisticated...so we never get ahead.

[TheBlackPenguin]

Perhaps Il2: Operation Crossbow.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Crossbow

 

Get to play against Doodlebugs and to hunt their sites, while He111's could launch V1's. amongst other activities and I am pretty sure it involved heavies as well without having to go to Peenemünde

[RAY-EU]

 

[Pharoah]

I'll be honest - my interest is in the MP aspect of it (eg. use in WoL or TAW) so I don't expect to there to be massed bomber flights. Just develop if (if possible) and let us figure out how to use it with current maps. Hell, we already have bombers like the PE2, H111 and JU88. Strap on 2 extra engines and a slightly longer airframe and there you go. YOu don't tend to see massed bombers now do you?

[sevenless]

6 hours ago, TheBlackPenguin said:

Perhaps Il2: Operation Crossbow.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Crossbow

 

Get to play against Doodlebugs and to hunt their sites, while He111's could launch V1's. amongst other activities and I am pretty sure it involved heavies as well without having to go to Peenemünde

 

Yeah IL2 - Operation Doodlebug and Diver patrols. I like that. Give us the Gloster Meteor, first introduced with 616 Sqd in July 1944 and the first allied jet plane to see operational combat in WW2. Would be cool. Even some of them were transferred to Melsbroek/Belgium and attached to 2 TAF on 20th January 1945. Would fit perfectly well with the Bodenplatte scenario.

[Godspeed]

Simulator needs more bomber planes and would definitely pay for them.

[Retrofly]

I know we wont be getting any 4 engine bombers, but on the subject of large bomber uses I found this interesting video of a Fw-200 carrying out low level bombing runs on convoys, there are even scenes of the gunners firing down on the ships too.

 

So just because the bombers are large, it doesn't mean they can't be used in ways we are already seeing with the current bomber set.

 

  I didn't really know much about the F1-200 Condor until now, seems like a great plane, would love to fly it in Il2.

 

 

Edited April 25, 2018 by -DFA-Retrofly

[Rjel]

15 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

By "group" I mean a unit of objects in the editor...not talking 8th Air Force language here.

Visibility isn't really the issue...it's the number of AI "brains" active at one time.

My mistake. I misunderstood what you were saying. 

[hames123]

Retrofly, the Germans used He 111s and Do 17s for those sort of mast height attacks. After the BoB they left several units to attack the convoys. But it was dangerous, and soon those units were understrength due to losses.

 

[PatrickAWlson]

On 4/24/2018 at 5:32 PM, Rjel said:

No, mass U.S. bomber streams could reach one hundred miles long and take 30 plus minutes to cross over the same spot. So I've read. I doubt we'll see 1000 plane bomber streams simulated in my lifetime, but maybe a group or two with others following just out of range might be possible.

 

lol - I was talking  about spawning a dozen of them ::).  In the games current state a single box would probably crush performance.

[Rjel]

5 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

lol - I was talking  about spawning a dozen of them ::).  In the games current state a single box would probably crush performance.

 

I already owned up to misunderstanding a couple of days ago. Thanks.

[PatrickAWlson]

@Rjel

Sorry, I was on vacation and wasn't keeping up.  Just noticed the notification and responded.  

[danielprates]

I would pay DCS-worth money on this (meaning not that dcs is better or worse,  but damn expensive). 

 

However I do agree it is a little out of place in the eastern front.

 

It would make more sense in the new bodenplatte context,  or better still,  a new BoX-something set in the west. 

 

Maps would have to be larger,  and tbh,  another time frame would be more meaningful. Say,  1943. There we could see b17s and lancs in a more meaninful use then developing heavies to use in stalingrad or moscow.

 

But if i were to say where dev efforts would be better spent,  i would say some more advanced medium bombers for the already extant maps would be a far better addition. Say the b26 marauder to use in bodenplatte,  for instance. It fits the operational scale of the map and mingles well with the planes,  tactics and context we already use.

 

HOWEVER....

 

if new larger maps were to be considered,  and navigational methods were to be further developed in-game (like the H2S, the lorenz beam etc.),  an entirely new BoX set in the strategic bombing campaigns of 1943/44 would be simply the best! Lancs,  b17s and b24s,  Do217s .... I shiver in delight just to think of a lancaater night bombing raid using english radio navigation,  or a B24 precision bombing run... 

 

But it seems like a dream. I cant see the market. I doubt it is commercially preferable than another action-packed,  mainly fighter expansion.