Constant instant kills

[KoN_]

Getting a bit fed up with instant kill on pilots its getting to be a joke now . one or two tracer fly past canopy , DEAD . seems with the new patch this is happening a lot  . before you would use half your ammo bring down a plane , now few hits dead pk kills . getting to be a joke , please don't tell me how to fly , this is happening instant no time to react . 

Time to move back to Cliffs . Nothing is being done about the bugs that have been here for quite some time ,and  yet another add-on is on its way and BOS still  isnt fixed . Good luck with BOM . 

Edited August 19, 2015 by II./JG77_Con

[6./ZG26_Custard]

I find it depends on the aircraft in my experience. The 109 G2 with it's glass block rear armour can take a lot of punishment without insta-death but the 190 seems sorely lacking in pilot armour. As for the F-4 remove the rear armour and get hit in the rear (Oh er!) and you end up invariably playing a golden harp.

 

With regards this title, its a work in progress but I understand folks frustrations. With regards CLOD, without getting into which one is best there is stuff in that title that is a joke too   

[Potenz]

well 1 or 2 tracer plus the other 3 or 4 tracers you can't see

cause are out of your LoS, that means at least 30 bullets, so

there're plenty on chances of getting hit in a low armored 

cockpit.

[[CPT]milopugdog]

I'll commonly get a wing blasted off or such, but pilot kills don't happen too often. Typically only when I'm being dumb and have my canopy open, or they get shells into my canopy (extremely rare for me). May I ask you something though? Why is it that just about every topic you post complaining about something? With all of the topics opened criticizing, you talk about uninstalling the game. So if you're just SO close, why don't you? 

[Maxyman]

One 20mm round is more than enough to kill a pilot.

[Y-29.Silky]

Yet another "back to clod" elite complaint. I've only been pilot sniped a few times.. and that was mostly flying the I-16.

My pilot gets wounded a lot, but that's granted knowing a couple 20mm shells are blowing up 10ft from him.

I think it depends on the situation. Sometimes 109's can eat my 23mm's for breakfast when I'm from behind them, sometimes it only takes 1-2 if they pull up and expose themselves.

Furthermore, BoS happened 2 years after BoB where the lethality of armament on aircraft went way up. If you want to simulate BoB by having to spend all your ammunition on one aircraft like Spitfires had to do 2 years prior, just fly the MC-202..

[Willy__]

For me is quite the opposite. Since the latest patch I find that planes (at least the russian ones, since I've flown mostly axis since the patch) now requires more hits to down. Before the patch I would usually kill or completely wreck an enemy a/c with a single pass, keep in mind that I mostly use the 190 with the 4 cannons, so it is completely possibly to wreck on one pass, but now the planes are much more sturdier and though, and I have to unload more bullets/rounds compared to before patch. Pilot kills seems to be on a reasonable and believable level for me.

Edited August 20, 2015 by istruba

[Dakpilot]

I think a quick read through here will show a few bugs that have been fixed

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/12826-game-updates/

 

Several hundred in fact.

 

Without further development of BoM there is no revenue stream, without revenue and work to do, all the team are fired, there is no more bug fixing.

All development of BoM is merged with BoS and it (BoS) will benefit from this, creating and releasing BoM is in its own way fixing BoS, Patches have come at a very steady stream,

probably quicker than any other Flight sim, and will continue for BoM/BoS when it is released

 

to say "yet another add-on is on its way" seems a bit melodramatic how many add-ons have there been? personally I think you are being a bit short sighted with the realities of surviving in business for a small Flight sim team with a large and complex project

 

however of course it is your choice to move back to CLoD if you feel there is more to offer, faster bug fixing or a better future there

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Personally, wounded on occasion and sniped very rarely. Are you a TNB guy? That would expose your pilot fairly often to incoming rounds. Also, each tracer is indicative of several non-tracer rounds in the loadout. Lastly, a single 20mm will take your head clean off leaving a bit of ragged steak where your neck used to be.

Edited August 20, 2015 by [LBS]HerrMurf

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

I almost exclusively fly the 109g2 with armoured glass rear armour and am very rarely (can't remember the last time) pilot killed other than collisions.

 

What plane are you finding issues with getting pk in?

[SharpeXB]

In Rise of Flight I understand it takes 2-4 hits to kill the pilot. That certainly sounds realistic and I don't think this would change for BoS. Of course those are only small caliber rounds. I've been insta killed plenty of times in CoD too, I don't feel either is better or worse.

[Potenz]

well, actually one bullet is a realistic amount to kill a person, even shrapnel from one can.

[[CPT]milopugdog]

Probably b8. I r8 8/8 m8. 

[=CFC=Conky]

I have not been pk'd yet.

 

Beginners luck I guess   .

 

Good hunting,

Conky

[SteelValkyrie]

The majority of deaths since I've started playing online over the past three days or so have been due to heavy wing or engine damage, pilot injured/sniped perhaps 1/10 times..

 

Also I'm not too sure on the changes to plane endurance but I downed two Red fighters in one pass last night in the 190 without extra cannons, wing rip and engine fire.

 

I don't come across any bugs other than the recent disappearance of black/red outs, sure some things may be a bit rough around the edges but like many people have stated, this is a small team working on a very big project for an extremely niche market.. I've heard CloD has lots of bugs and crashes anyway.

Edited August 20, 2015 by Aphelion

[SR-F_Winger]

Getting a bit fed up with instant kill on pilots its getting to be a joke now . one or two tracer fly past canopy , DEAD . seems with the new patch this is happening a lot  . before you would use half your ammo bring down a plane , now few hits dead pk kills . getting to be a joke , please don't tell me how to fly , this is happening instant no time to react . 

Time to move back to Cliffs . Nothing is being done about the bugs that have been here for quite some time ,and  yet another add-on is on its way and BOS still  isnt fixed . Good luck with BOM . 

In my experience scoring a pilotkill from a 109 is not so easy. But since i fly the 190 with 4x 20mm i score them pretty frequent. And IMO if i hit my target with 4x 20 in the canopy i EXPECT the pilot to insta die. There is nothing wrong in my opinion. Pilots dont seem to be overly vulnerable. After all its 20 mm cannons against pretty thin canopyglass and a little thin rolled steel.

[TP_Jacko]

Well I can't say that I have been pk'd much either lots of red stuff and burning aircraft. A good pilot will aim for the cockpit so a few 20mm+ rounds around there must be pretty lethal to the pilot considering the size of the hole it makes in a wing.

 

The only tine I can say I was pk'd evry time was in CloD when after an update the LW ammo accidentally got modelled as an 88m flak shell, it did get fixed.

[Dutchvdm]

I think pilot vulnerability is modeled quite well. When attacking Il-2's i practically never kill the pilot. Which sounds logical because of the armored cockpit. The only plane where i get a lot of pilot kills are the I-16's. I think 30 to 40 % off them. I think gunner kills are modeled nice as well. Especially compared to ROF, where the observer/gunner can soak up large amounts of bullets. Gunner/pilot kills in the Pe-2 or Il-2 largely match the historic data.

 

Just my 2 cents.

 

Grt M

[KoN_]

Yes i get what most are saying here ...

I have been flying the 190  , a lot ,  maybe it has some thing to do with the fact  that the 190 isn't as tough or as rugged as should be or there is  lack of armour , i am pretty sure there is armour plating behind the pilot ..!!  , over the course of several days i have noticed  instant kills on pilot  flying the 190 . No time to React . 

Adding to the fact there is no hit sounds when on-line or few and far between . This may be adding to my frustration . I only fly axis mainly 99% of the time . I may take a VVS up if the teams are well under balanced .  I  will go back to the 109 and give that a try . 

[SYN_Ricky]

IIRC the FW-190 quite vulnerable when shot in the belly, there's no armour there, might be that you've benne shot at from below?

[KoN_]

On the three occasions all have been from six , didn't hear a thing , it  went to outside view as pilot is dead , had no reaction time ,  spit second to evade ,  it happened so quick , !  yes a good kill , but i am thinking 190 is to soft . But hey who am i ,  never flown a 190 in combat , only from what i read in history .

Maybe i am too used to il-46 and the FW~190 .. as it can take lots of punishment ,  reverse roll and keep energy in rolling fight   , yes in the beginning it was porked but its a far better aircraft now . 

Edited August 20, 2015 by II./JG77_Con

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

To the contrary of the OP I am surprised that when hit, I am wounded as often as I am instead of being killed outright.  Cannon hits do vicious things.

[KoN_]

To the contrary of the OP I am surprised that when hit, I am wounded as often as I am instead of being killed outright.  Cannon hits do vicious things.

190 or 109 or vvs

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

190 or 109 or vvs

 

In any plane I fly including all of the above.

Edited August 20, 2015 by VR_Stick

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I am very rarely killed by gunfire in the 190, my preferred mount, especially from dead six. She has excellent armor. It's usually by impact after my plane is disabled at low alts.

[=CFC=Conky]

I am very rarely killed by gunfire in the 190, my preferred mount, especially from dead six. She has excellent armor. It's usually by impact after my plane is disabled at low alts.

 

Yeah, deceleration trauma is usually what gets me. 

[-TBC-AeroAce]

+100 at least u normally get a free cremation

Edited August 20, 2015 by =TbC=AeroACE

[steppenwolf]

I think a quick read through here will show a few bugs that have been fixed

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/12826-game-updates/

 

Several hundred in fact.

 

Without further development of BoM there is no revenue stream, without revenue and work to do, all the team are fired, there is no more bug fixing.

All development of BoM is merged with BoS and it (BoS) will benefit from this, creating and releasing BoM is in its own way fixing BoS, Patches have come at a very steady stream,

probably quicker than any other Flight sim, and will continue for BoM/BoS when it is released

 

to say "yet another add-on is on its way" seems a bit melodramatic how many add-ons have there been? personally I think you are being a bit short sighted with the realities of surviving in business for a small Flight sim team with a large and complex project

 

however of course it is your choice to move back to CLoD if you feel there is more to offer, faster bug fixing or a better future there

 

Cheers Dakpilot

Without any fundamentally new features surviving is all flight sims are gonna do. And, BoS and BoM are add-ons...for Rise Of Flight. Sorry Dakpilot, but the 'have to support the devs' philosophy isn't getting anyone anything new but maps and AC. I know you guys love flight sims and for some AC and maps are enough, but if you want more regular players and revenue something's got to change...then the devs get the money, not before.   

[Dakpilot]

There is no "have to support the dev's" philosophy in my post. Just a bit of reality of the real current situation as regards BoS, flight sims are a small niche market, there is no AAA studio with a massive budget prepared to invest in a 'change' the only change they are prepared to risk is MMO type sim light games, which are very popular as figures show

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Potenz]

On the three occasions all have been from six , didn't hear a thing , it  went to outside view as pilot is dead , had no reaction time ,  spit second to evade ,  it happened so quick , !  yes a good kill , but i am thinking 190 is to soft . But hey who am i ,  never flown a 190 in combat , only from what i read in history .

Maybe i am too used to il-46 and the FW~190 .. as it can take lots of punishment ,  reverse roll and keep energy in rolling fight   , yes in the beginning it was porked but its a far better aircraft now .

 

In WWII 80% of downed pilots never had a chance to see or react against the atacker

[KoN_]

In WWII 80% of downed pilots never had a chance to see or react against the atacker

Totally agree with you there , some mixed reviews here , some never get killed and some get killed PK instant like me the other day  . just maybe i had a bad day . 

[Potenz]

Totally agree with you there , some mixed reviews here , some never get killed and some get killed PK instant like me the other day  . just maybe i had a bad day . 

we all have bad streaks

[KoN_]

I think for me its the lack of sounds when being hit . its like a silent death , no time to react or even to acknowledge your under attack , to be presented with an outside view as one been killed . And yet some don't get killed at all only injured , i will admit that these have been done when i have been on jabo missions and i am down low or at a low altitude extending away from target .  Shall continue but not take things so seriously any-more . S!