Game version 1.102 discussion: Macchi in early access

[Finkeren]

Golani m8, I think he meant pictures of the improved long distance terrain rendering

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Here you go - each with armored windscreen:

 

-snip-

 

Awesome! The fairings/casings on the 20mm pods look pretty interesting.

 

Golani m8, I think he meant pictures of the improved long distance terrain rendering

 

Fink is right. 

Edited August 11, 2015 by Space_Ghost

[Finkeren]

I noticed some weird tendency for the plane to stall when rolling hard right. Not sure why that is.

Almost certainly has to do with the asymetrical wings, which will no doubt have a marked tendency to stall one wing before the other (enter a spin)

[Finkeren]

I would just like to say a big thank you to the dev's for the massive improvements to the terrain in this update. The tar pits are gone and the rivers and waterways look so much better than they did with the "eyeliner" effect now removed that we had prior to this update.

 

I know I moaned overly much about the terrain issues but credit where credit is due and you have done a wonderful job.

 

So glad to hear from you on this Custard.

 

I had no doubt at any point, that the devs would look into this. It was clearly not meant to look like it did. But hearing it from you, I know for sure the issue has been resolved.

 

Cheers mate

[6./ZG26_Custard]

Fink is right.

 

It's miles better than before and the rivers and waterways look much better IMO.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

It's miles better than before and the rivers and waterways look much better IMO.

 

Looks nice.

 

Does that meet the quality that we could achieve through the .cfg file?

[6./ZG26_Custard]

 

 

Does that meet the quality that we could achieve through the .cfg file?

I think if you slot the cfg file in you may get a little more out of it. The screenies are vanilla. I have tried it with and without the cfg, with it I think there is a slight improvement. Saying that, it's a massive improvement all round though.

[Reflected]

I'm no expert of the Mc202, but it seems to me that you guys are releasing planes of better and better quality. Great job on the update. I love the new 109 sound as well!

[BeastyBaiter]

The quality of the cockpit and exterior model looks noticably better than the other planes (apart from the struts, which are low res textures and that together with the strong weathering effect drags the overall visual quality down quite a bit). But like most other Italian planes, it just doesn't really thrill me. It might become the plane i spend the least time in overall.

 

I noticed some weird tendency for the plane to stall when rolling hard right. Not sure why that is.

 

But now i'm even more looking forward to the other planes, especially if they will be as well modelled as this one.

 

The left wing is longer than the right wing thus making for some interesting handling characteristics. I'm not sure if I like the 202 yet. It climbs well, has a nice cockpit layout and decent armament but those asymmetric wings give it some wonky handling.

[LLv24_Zami]

It's miles better than before and the rivers and waterways look much better IMO.

 

Distance detail is much better now, really glad it was sorted .

 

Waterways looked better before patch for me but you can`t have everything, right?

[Dakpilot]

No harm in some more

 

6000m max zoom out

 

 

and some a little lower just for fun

 

 

Click pics for more detail (using FXAA, gives a little bit of blur  but stops shimmer on distant objects  )

 

Cheers Dakpilot

Edited August 11, 2015 by Dakpilot

[coconut]

 

 

6. Ground troops were taught how to use signal flares more adequately;

 

I wonder, what does that mean exactly? Is it referring to the flaring ground units do when you approach them in campaign missions?

[Brano]

Well,after few sorties with this designo italiano

1. Cockpit ergonomy is based on some kind of spaghetti diagram

2. You have better view out of jousting helmet then from this cockpit

3. Those puny SAFATS could do only scratches on sturmovik.but sparks do look lovely.

 

Perfect match with reality.But I will stick with my LaGG 

[Voidhunger]

I found mc 202 pleasure to fly, stable gun platform but it has bad climbing ability.

Two machine guns are more than enough to shot fighters down, visibility is good to the front and to the side , but very bad to the rear.

On 1.4 ata its a capable fighter but it has limit to approx 5 min. on 1.2 - 1.3 its not so good

 

What ata is for continuous fight? 1.3 ?

Edited August 11, 2015 by Voidhunger

[6./ZG26_Custard]

^{202, first thoughts.....}

 

[Voidhunger]

Well,after few sorties with this designo italiano

 

hehe its true that Italian design is much much better on cars   (magnificent design of Ferrari 250 , 275 ! ) 

[RDW]

Awesome plane, love the gun sounds

 

bomBOMbomBOMbomBOMbomBOMbomBOMbom

 

 

How do you get such high frame rate? Looks amazing!

[wellenbrecher]

That's regular old 60 FPS. 

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

That's regular old 60 FPS. 

 

When you get stuck playing at 20-30FPS (which is not the case for me) than that "regular old 60 FPS" probably looks pretty darned good. 

[wellenbrecher]

Yeah ok true, but BoS is very much on the tame side of things with its system requirements, so I was a tad surprised that it was in turn such a surprise to someone to see the game run at it.

 

Or who knows what framerate Penshoon is actually running it at, the video is certainly limited to 60 because of YouTube.

[Finkeren]

I found mc 202 pleasure to fly, stable gun platform but it has bad climbing ability.

Hmmm... That doesn't sound quite right. The 202 was supposedly strong in a climb despite its mediocre P/W ratio. It should climb at least as well as the Yak-1 but worse than the 109s.

 

At what power settings did you test it?

[BeastyBaiter]

It out climbs all Russian aircraft in game at 89% power with boost (almost unlimited use) up to at least 4km.

Edited August 11, 2015 by King_Hrothgar

[keeno]

I gotta say, as with the I-16 the Devs seemed to have nailed it first time around. The plane is lovely to fly, the engine and guns sound ace. The whole model internal and external is a work of art. Can't wait for more!!!!

 

Great stuff, off on hols on Saturday, I don't wanna go now!

 

Cheers.

[Voidhunger]

Hmmm... That doesn't sound quite right. The 202 was supposedly strong in a climb despite its mediocre P/W ratio. It should climb at least as well as the Yak-1 but worse than the 109s.

 

At what power settings did you test it?

1.3 - 1.4 but maybe its me. to me it feels like it struggle to climb. its only impression, i didnt "test" the climb

good news is that when the engine is out it falls like a brick nice change from the rest of the bos/bom/rof planes

Edited August 11, 2015 by Voidhunger

[150GCT_Veltro]

It's a real pleasure to fly, really. Takeoff and the typical "Macchi's landing" are really amazing!

 

Thank guys, great work.

Edited August 11, 2015 by 150GCT_Veltro

[Bert_Foster]

Seeing some major stutters now with terrain extended view X 4 especially close to the ground. Backing it off to X 2 improved it but not completely. Never saw these stutters until updating to 1.02.

Macchi Prop CSU.

 

In some discussion before release it was mentioned the MC202 only had two RPM settings that are governed. In this discussion it was stated they were 2200RPM and 2400RPM. With the Prop switch in position "A" (auto I presume) the CSU governs to 2400RPM. So is there a way to reset it to also govern to 2200RPM ?

[Bert_Foster]

Sorted CSU 2200 normally and 2400 with WEP +100 selected

[MilAvHistory]

Hmmm... That doesn't sound quite right. The 202 was supposedly strong in a climb despite its mediocre P/W ratio. It should climb at least as well as the Yak-1 but worse than the 109s.

 

At what power settings did you test it?

 

I didn't properly test the climb, but in my first flyout (a quick sortie vs. two I-16s) they, more or less, stuck with my climb up until 7km...at that point I had enough of what I was seeing and shot them down. It took me by surprise that they only dropped behind slowly, especially above 4k. I'll probably will check this again tomorrow.

[Felix58]

I was a little non-plussed about the Macchi but after flying it I think I have found a new favourite!

Looking forward to spending more time with it.

Nice job!

[Cybermat47]

Almost certainly has to do with the asymetrical wings, which will no doubt have a marked tendency to stall one wing before the other (enter a spin)

Asymetrical wings?! :O

[SCG_Neun]

Great addition..Thanks Guys.

[VBF-12_Snake9]

Sounds like i need to download the patch. Waiting on p40 then i will have to let go of my tightly gripped wallet.

[smink1701]

This is a great update ... thanks!  I like the Macchi and think the start up animation and sounds are very nice.  Also think the smoke has been improved and the engine sounds in the 109's are more accurate and seem like your listening to a real engine.  I think there is a lot of nice new little touches that have added to the immersion. IMHO   

[Finkeren]

Asymetrical wings?! :O

Yes. One wing is 20cm longer than the other (I forget which one) to counter torque at cruise speed. Quite an unusual arrangement.

[CF-105]

Sounds like i need to download the patch. Waiting on p40 then i will have to let go of my tightly gripped wallet.

If two mediocre 50s are enough to do in any fighter in game, I'd hate to be on the receiving end of 6 that have stuck around for over 75 years!  

[TheElf]

Seeing some major stutters now with terrain extended view X 4 especially close to the ground. Backing it off to X 2 improved it but not completely. Never saw these stutters until updating to 1.02.

Macchi Prop CSU.

 

In some discussion before release it was mentioned the MC202 only had two RPM settings that are governed. In this discussion it was stated they were 2200RPM and 2400RPM. With the Prop switch in position "A" (auto I presume) the CSU governs to 2400RPM. So is there a way to reset it to also govern to 2200RPM ?

 

Bert, I had the same problem.  Hooves suggested I restart my computer.  I did and the stutters went away.  If you install anything sometimes the installation isn't "right" until you reboot your PC.  It worked for me.

[TG-55Panthercules]

Indeed - the distant terrain does look better after this latest update, especially from higher altitudes (around 5,000m).  And the new plane is a beauty.

 

Unfortunately, the "bubble of blur" issue is still present (seems unchanged) at lower altitudes (1,000-1,500m), so it looks like it's back on the shelf again till the next update    

 

Really wish someone could come up with a fix or find some sort of work-around, but at least it's good to see the devs are still hard at work and still bringing good things to the game.  Maybe someday this issue will work its way onto their fix-list.

[6./ZG26_Emil]

It's miles better than before and the rivers and waterways look much better IMO.

 

Praise the lord....and 777 

[Blooddawn1942]

The 202 had never been one of my favourit planes and I guess it never will be.

But it remains to admit that it is fun to fly and the devs did an excellent job creating this one. Bravo!

I also noticed the improvements, which found their way into the update. Once again: Bravo! Bravissimo!

Especially such little details as the corrected droping order of the 109 ordinance!

This sim is definetly on the right way and it shall conquer the throne.

[CCG_Pips]

 

 

Bomb release sequence changed for 50kg bombs used on German fighters;

 

Does not work in my game!!!  (except if I missed something?)