FuriousMeow Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 There are plenty of instances of needing physical access to a server to restart it, even if automatic restarts are scheduled a BSOD or memory access violation can cause a lock up that prevents any automated processes from running. Additionally it can lead to corrupted data, and no server comes back up.
E69_Chipi Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 (edited) Jason, You are online. Say something, man... :biggrin: :biggrin: (I meant, sir..) Bring peace to our weekend souls Edited October 25, 2013 by Chipi
Shea Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 (edited) Servers can be made to automatically restart at certain intervals, doesn't require someone to sit there. +1 we have a server on darkest hour and we can restart it at any time Edited October 25, 2013 by Shea
FlatSpinMan Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 As I said before, discussion of server-manning isn't really the point, especially given we don't know what staffing arrangements they have made.
Freycinet Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 Wauw, that was quite an update. First off, thanks so much for the brilliant Il-2 footage. It is a big moment in flight sim history to see that iconic plane take flight again in a new generation sim. I am a bit negatively surprised to hear about the play-time limit, but I am sure the team has good reaons for it. Mainly that you will be monitoring how the sim works for customers and that you will be getting detailed feedback which can help improve the sim. Since you have the offline login option in RoF I would think that it could also work for BoS, and in this beta testing period. You could eventually make it an option that would only be available Fri-Sun. However, I know that I don't have all the information at my disposal to tell you that you really SHOULD do it like that. I defer to your development plan and just humbly submit that if it would work out for you guys I think you should have an off-line play option for Fri-Sun.
BraveSirRobin Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 If they have to limit access it seems like it would make more sense to limit it to weekends. We fly Friday through Sunday, they evaluate the data collected and make changes on Monday through Thursday. But I assume there must be a good reason why it isn't being done that way.
No601_Prangster Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 Looking forward to it. The way I see it is that this isn't an early release of the game but a chance to participate in the Alpha/Beta testing. You can't expect Alpha access to be on the same terms a buying a finished game, this will be part of the development process and I'm sure that the finished game will be better for it.
1CGS =FB=LOFT Posted October 25, 2013 1CGS Posted October 25, 2013 Jason, You are online. Say something, man... :biggrin: :biggrin: (I meant, sir..) Bring peace to our weekend souls We have a current goal, and the final goal. The final is in Q2 2014. We need to observe the trajectory of the optimal motion that would gravity pulled us in exactly the right spot. That is, maneuvering on the road is limited and generally risky. Therefore, we are cautious. We are careful, you are patient = good game. 9
Blitzen Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 One thing I have always appreciated about Studio 777 & RoF is their excellent communication with their customers...here is another example.They are smart , forthright .pleasant 7 honest...Thanks ...I realize we are getting a work in progress at first , but I'll be along for the ride!
Shea Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 But why not a 24/7 server for the eairly access loft,instead of this 72 hour non-sence?
Volkoff Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 (edited) The Il 2 looks great. Thanks to Loft for the update. Thanks to the community managers for helping to keep us informed. On the matter of the NDA, at least restrict feedback for matters like plane FM to direct communications with dev team members. There will always be a community member thinking he or she knows better than the dev team. The lead engineer working on FM development can best determine the utility of such information. On a public forum, the debate of such matters will likely lead to flame wars, miscommunication about the state of the project, and the info, at best, will be no more useful to the team than if delivered privately to the lead engineer. MJ Edited October 25, 2013 by =69.GIAP=MIKHA
Jason_Williams Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 Jason, You are online. Say something, man... :biggrin: :biggrin: (I meant, sir..) Bring peace to our weekend souls Chipi, Loft just said it. We are going to err on the side of caution at the start. As the announcement states, we will at some point allow unlimited access. We just don't know when exactly that is yet. We understand some folks may not be able to play much on the days we first allow and we will evaluate as we go. I hear you about the weekends Chipi. Jason 8
BeastyBaiter Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 Pretty sure the limited access part has been mentioned before though I can't remember where. In any case, it does make the most sense to have it on weekdays since that is when they are in the office and can promptly fix something if it breaks. From a player standpoint it makes the most sense to have it on the weekends but as said, they aren't there to restart the server on the weekends should it crash. There will be stability issues at first, I promise you. It will crash, lockup and do all sorts of things it isn't supposed to. That's why it needs to be on weekdays at first. Once those issues are ironed out, they can move it to include weekends or to run near continuously. Besides, 72 hours of continuous access (minus server crashes) should provide ample time for us to log in even on weekdays. This is alpha access, not a full game. As for the update itself, nice to see the IL-2 in the air. But I can't help but notice just how much trouble ya'll went to to avoid showing the instrument panel. I wonder what color the WiP missing 3d model/ texture block is. White? black?
Forager Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 No offline.... If that information had been had been released before the preorder program began, I wonder the effect on said preorders?? There would have been one less at least and three weekdays acess would have reinforced that decision. 1
99th_Jaguar Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 I hope that the initial beta release will be November 12th 2013. It may not be hump day but I could live with that. I understand why the dev's are rolling out the beta this way, however It is limited in a way that I did not expect. I will be ok with Tuesday -Thursday as I have lots of time. Now just getting friends to fly (time restrictions) or pre-order may be a little more difficult. My little gripe.
Jaws2002 Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 Are you guys for real? Do you think people paid double for the early access to be told when and how to enjoy the product they paid for? The middle of the week access may be ok for beta testers who get the game for free, not for customers who paid for a product, you advertized will be avilable for them months before the release. What part about paid product you guys do not understand? We play games when we have time and when it's convenient for you may not be convenient for most players. Remember we are not beta free beta testers, we are customers for a service/product you promised. I have limited play time and I want to play this in my own time. What you just told us is not the product you sold us and is not what I paid for. At this point I'm considering canceling my preorder, since we've been sold a lie. 5
AX2 Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 (edited) Without cooperatives in my squad, I'm basically a multiplayer pilot, I work ten hours at day, then I travel to my house, That adds another hour. In my home my wife is waiting me. I have a some free time basically on weekends. I don´t know how many founders are, but " surely " The servers will have 700+ players in multiplayer at weekends. Servers can be made to automatically restart at certain intervals, doesn't require someone to sit there. I do not know If you can... Please implement this for the weekend Edited October 25, 2013 by Mustang
E69_Chipi Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 (edited) We have a current goal, and the final goal. The final is in Q2 2014. We need to observe the trajectory of the optimal motion that would gravity pulled us in exactly the right spot. That is, maneuvering on the road is limited and generally risky. Therefore, we are cautious. We are careful, you are patient = good game. Chipi, Loft just said it. We are going to err on the side of caution at the start. As the announcement states, we will at some point allow unlimited access. We just don't know when exactly that is yet. We understand some folks may not be able to play much on the days we first allow and we will evaluate as we go. I hear you about the weekends Chipi. Jason ok, understood... but i am so eager to play bos, that this limiting factor was a little bit of a letdown. i know that devs are trying their best to release a high quality sim and that all the steps they take are aiming to that goal. but sometimes in airwar there is collateral damage, and today I consider myself so. Anyway you have my full support and gratitude. If in doubt check my ROF account for Content-to-playtime-ratio. Im in the top 10 for sure... :-) Edited October 25, 2013 by Chipi
Shea Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 Are you guys for real? Do you think people paid double for the early access to be told when and how to enjoy the product they paid for? The middle of the week access may be ok for beta testers who get the game for free, not for customers who paid for a product, you advertized will be avilable for them months before the release. What part about paid product you guys do not understand? We play games when we have time and when it's convenient for you may not be convenient for most players. Remember we are not beta free beta testers, we are customers for a service/product you promised. I have limited play time and I want to play this in my own time. What you just told us is not the product you sold us and is not what I paid for. At this point I'm considering canceling my preorder, since we've been sold a lie. Here Here
1CGS =FB=LOFT Posted October 25, 2013 1CGS Posted October 25, 2013 No offline.... If that information had been had been released before the preorder program began, I wonder the effect on said preorders?? There would have been one less at least and three weekdays acess would have reinforced that decision. The solution is always on the side of the buyer, it is true. But think about it. You spent $ 100 is a lot. But we spent a lot more money and 1 year of age only doing this project. That is, Yes, buyer risk, but the developer runs the risk of more So, we are not greedy, we are realists. Once you become a realist, all simplified. We did not want to upset you, we tried to please 9
FuriousMeow Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 Are you guys for real? Do you think people paid double for the early access to be told when and how to enjoy the product they paid for? The middle of the week access may be ok for beta testers who get the game for free, not for customers who paid for a product, you advertized will be avilable for them months before the release. What part about paid product you guys do not understand? We play games when we have time and when it's convenient for you may not be convenient for most players. Remember we are not beta free beta testers, we are customers for a service/product you promised. I have limited play time and I want to play this in my own time. What you just told us is not the product you sold us and is not what I paid for. At this point I'm considering canceling my preorder, since we've been sold a lie. You didn't pay double for early access. You're paying less for early access. Did you expect a fully complete game? Because we aren't getting a game that's even 50% complete. It's been stated before that access will be limited to certain days initially.
EAF_Paf Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 Are you guys for real? Do you think people paid double for the early access to be told when and how to enjoy the product they paid for? The middle of the week access may be ok for beta testers who get the game for free, not for customers who paid for a product, you advertized will be avilable for them months before the release. What part about paid product you guys do not understand? We play games when we have time and when it's convenient for you may not be convenient for most players. Remember we are not beta free beta testers, we are customers for a service/product you promised. I have limited play time and I want to play this in my own time. What you just told us is not the product you sold us and is not what I paid for. At this point I'm considering canceling my preorder, since we've been sold a lie. Cool down Jaws, you bought an early access of a beta, not finished game, mainly meant to support the development that sim. To have the full game with unlimited access you have to wait till Q2 2014. I think that was pretty clear.
Matt Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 It's been stated before that access will be limited to certain days initially. Would you care to post a link please..
senseispcc Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 Fantastic news and video let us wait with calm and serenity...two or 3 weeks it is a so long time to wait
1CGS =FB=LOFT Posted October 25, 2013 1CGS Posted October 25, 2013 This is alpha The project is just not ready to access 24/7. No other reason why 24/3. It makes no sense to take offense. And even more so to experience unpleasant emotions 4
Bookfaster Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 Have no issues with this update, many thanks and keep up the good work!
M4rgaux Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 Although I understand the reason, I don't believe that's the right way to do it. Less time playing mean that we'll have less time to find the small bug that lead to the commonly hated things -> game exploiting. Game breaking bug are easy to find, yet the one who lead to memory hack, dll injection & co are not that easy to get. One server up full time with a direct bug report and the recording of the event which lead to the bug in order to reproduce it, would be more efficient on all level. Moreover with some people playing only on week-end, there'll be a lot of configuration and hardware feedback missing. Yet as a dev myself I respect you're call, you've done really great so far, I'm sure I won't be disappointed. -- On another point, we'll we have founder reserved space in the forum to report bug, or will there be a painful and unusable interface like in other games?
J4SCrisZeri Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 I had just a quick read and didn't get it... NO offline in the early access? This means I won't be free to play around, take my time and just enjoy it on my own, but I'll be forced to join a server, where somebody will shoot me down within the first 20 seconds? Is that correct?
FuriousMeow Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 (edited) Would you care to post a link please.. I don't retain these links, it was mentioned but I don't know the exact wording so I can't search for it. I'm not the only one who remembers that, another individual mentioned that in this thread. EDIT: Voidhunger posted it below. Edited October 25, 2013 by FuriousMeow
ram0506 Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 (edited) I think we should cool down a little bit in here! If the solution of a three days access to the beta gives the best opportunity to the devs to check out our suggestions on the beta and to develope the best possible sim at the end, then that`s fine with me! Release of the game is 2.Q. of 2014 not in three weeks! (btw. the rear view of the Il2 looks abolutely fantastic! And the sound of the wind is great! Good work!) Edited October 25, 2013 by ram0506
Voidhunger Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 Thanks for the news! I can´t wait. quote: 3. What do you mean by “sessions” of early access? Does it mean that it’s going to be time-limited or opened for short periods? Possibly. This early access is also the very first public test. It’s for you to enjoy it and for us to analyze and examine it. We’ll plan everything with maximum precision to achieve these two goals. For starters, there will definitely be events. Some systems need to be tested, so there’ll be a program for every session: we’ll ask you to try this or taste that feature and to pay a bit of attention to something, etc. New versions will be frequently deployed, new content and gameplay variations will be shown: we’re creating a new Universe with you and it’s quite a complicated thing
dburne Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 (edited) From the BOS Pre-Order page: " Early Access: Buyers of the Standard Edition will get early access in winter 2013 prior to public release. Buyers of Premium Edition will get the early access in autumn 2013. " I personally do not think it is fair to criticize someone who is expressing disappointment. This is what I read when I pre-ordered the Premium Edition, shortly after it was announced. Frankly it did not even occur to me, that this could be limited access and that time would be when I am not at home. Heck at the time of announcement of this, I doubt even the developers knew this... So undoubtedly there are going to be some disappointed Founders, and I see no problem with them expressing such - would seem to me they have earned that right - as long as a respectful manner. I don't think bashing the developers over this should be done or tolerated however and serves no purpose. So yes, I am disappointed, I will not be able to participate in this mid week 3 day early access. In my case, I still would have supported though as I wanted to support the genre. At least I have another WWII combat sim that I am enjoying very much, and will get to enjoy longer now during the winter... I just try to make the best of it Edited October 25, 2013 by dburnette 1
EAF19_Swoop Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 Thanks for the vid, I'm surprised to see it looking so good already, I even like the Il2 and I'm a devout fighter jock Noticed the pilot looking about and it was all very smooth, you even managed to make a snowy landscape look interesting, lol. Good idea about the limited access so you can monitor and tweak stuff, ultimately it should brings the sim on that much quicker.
Forager Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 (edited) The solution is always on the side of the buyer, it is true. But think about it. You spent $ 100 is a lot. But we spent a lot more money and 1 year of age only doing this project. That is, Yes, buyer risk, but the developer runs the risk of more So, we are not greedy, we are realists. Once you become a realist, all simplified. We did not want to upset you, we tried to please =FB=LOFT, Thank you for the reply. To clarify, I made no mention of the amount charged for pre order or the amount of money and the one year of your life spent in development. That money and that time, you gambled in the hope of making more money, right? I guess we who preordered took a gamble also, let's hope we both win. That said, the no offline and three days access still stinks. Edited October 25, 2013 by Forager 1
[JG54]Vyper Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 Thanks for the update. While I have to admit I was a little ticked off when I first read about access only being Tuesday through Thursday, as I have next to no time to play those days...I had to count to 100 and think the system through. I totally get that we are early alpha, and that the devs will be doing data collection and will want to maintain tight control over the testing. I at first was thinking had I known up front I about the limited testing days I wouldn't have gone premium. But that wouldn't be true either if I'm really honest with myself. A) I want to support makers of these types of games, B) I know I'll somehow be able to fit in an hour or two those first starting days to fly with my friends anyway. C) The limited time really is for a limited time...so...no use getting making a mountain out of a molehill. Looking forward to lifting off in my F4 that first day and watching some 20mm take the wing off my first Lagg. Nothing beats that first kill, am I right? Keep up the good work and the updates, looking forward to being knee deep in this sim. I'm thinking now the 12th looks better and better!!!!!
dburne Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 =FB=LOFT, Thank you for the reply. To clarify, I made no mention of the amount charged for pre order or the amount of money and the one year of your life spent in development. That money and that time, you gambled in the hope of making more money, right? . I would think that would apply to any game developer bringing out a new game...
bzc3lk Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 (edited) At this point I'm considering canceling my preorder, since we've been sold a lie. I think you better go back and read the faqs posts from the developer, especially the one below. "When will I get what I paid for? The game will be released in spring 2014 Early access period starts in autumn 2013 - for owners of Premium edition, and in winter - for owners of Standard. All details about the early access will be announced several days prior to the start of early access" I personally cannot fathom the reaction from some members.,It's only a video game. I am personally happy with the communication from the Developers and find no problems with their cautious methods to ensure the success of Bos. I have enough alternative interests in life to amuse me until the game is available 24/7 , so guys please give the Devs a break. Edited October 25, 2013 by bzc3lk
99th_Jaguar Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 A little combat footage goes along way. The videos so far are stunning. For those of us who are willing to provide feedback to help improve the game. Can you start rolling out some guidelines or is that too early yet?
AX2 Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 This is alpha 1920x1080.jpg The project is just not ready to access 24/7. No other reason why 24/3. It makes no sense to take offense. And even more so to experience unpleasant emotions I can understand 24/3 is good for an Alpha, ofcourse. But 24/3 at midweek ??? Apologies, but is more reasonable 24/3 on weekends. Then you work on Monday and analyze all data. 1
Matt Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 I don't retain these links, it was mentioned but I don't know the exact wording so I can't search for it. I'm not the only one who remembers that, another individual mentioned that in this thread. EDIT: Voidhunger posted it below. Oh, you meant the post that there would "possibly" be "events". I thought you meant that there was a comment that stated that it will be limited to work days only.
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