DD today?

[BladeMeister]

2 hours ago, Jade_Monkey said:

So far, the communication of the new leadership is a failure. 

This. For a full-time paid development team who have seen the excitement and high interaction caused by the DDs, they obviously don't understand or they don't care about PR. 

 

S!Blade<><

[=SqSq=SignorMagnifico]

I find the lack of communication from the devs to be disturbing. The player base clearly has some anxieties, and, instead of reassurance, we are given silence, leading to wild speculation and fear. Weekly DD’s were much beloved by this community because it created trust through transparency. Who will step in to fill the void?

Edited January 20, 2023 by =SqSq=SignorMagnifico

[=_=HeavenAndClouds]

11 minutes ago, =SqSq=SignorMagnifico said:

Who will step in to fill the void?

Here I am, send me. 

[Trooper117]

4 minutes ago, =SquadTag=Username_ said:

Here I am, send me. 

 

[DBFlyguy]

25 minutes ago, =SqSq=SignorMagnifico said:

 Who will step in to fill the void?

 

 

cough, cough:

 

 

And while I enjoy that this "DD Today" thread is one of the few entertaining places left on this forum where we can post memes and have fun... I do value a consistent newsletter on top of multiple staff that actually interact with their community with useful info concerning a product they are asking me to continue to support and spend money on:

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/news/newsletters/

 

And a brand new sale is live now! (until the 29th):

 

 

DCS isn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination... but at least ED manages to do the simple things on a consistent basis, I don't think that is too much of an ask.

Edited January 20, 2023 by DBFlyguy

[343KKT_Kintaro]

8 minutes ago, =SqSq=SignorMagnifico said:

The player base clearly has some anxieties

 

 

Oh my god... oh my god... oh myyyyyy... god....

 

Please you people, you SignorMagnifico and other impatient ones, please read the last post of SeaSerpent on this page, or my last post above equally.

 

Jason style was cool... ok... but that was really exceptional, for it is not the norm. It isn't... at all. The norm is that a company announces by means of a magazine's article, or an interview, that its devs are working on a flight sim project... and then all the dudes in the community say "ok, good"... and then all the dudes go back to their daily life... and  they wait patiently until the product is released.

 

Software development, is veeery slow, what do you want they announce every Friday?

 

 

[Rjel]

3 minutes ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

 

 

Oh my god... oh my god... oh myyyyyy... god....

 

Please you people, you SignorMagnifico and other impatient ones, please read the last post of SeaSerpent on this page, or my last post above equally.

 

Jason style was cool... ok... but that was really exceptional, for it is not the norm. It isn't... at all. The norm is that a company announces by means of a magazine's article, or an interview, that its devs are working on a flight sim project... and then all the dudes in the community say "ok, good"... and then all the dudes go back to their daily life... and  they wait patiently until the product is released.

 

Software development, is veeery slow, what do you want they announce every Friday?

 

 

Yes for God’s sake, everyone, heed this guy’s message. Your concerns, hopes and dreams are unwarranted. Obviously. 

[tattywelshie]

There might still be a DD @Wardog5711 hasn’t said there isn’t going to be one! ???

[FuriousMeow]

It's been 22 days, it has not been over a month since the last update. The devs holidays are also most of early January, they are probably just reconvening this week with the full team.

 

Even when they posted updates frequently, they also weren't enough for quite a few as they would insist on getting updates on something else because for some reason they thought what they wanted was special and deserved specific attention too. That gets old fast and leads to less desire to update. Things are getting switched up, its not a quick turn around when that happens.

[IckyATLAS]

I think we have to keep things straight and simple. There is no communication, because there is nothing to say.

They told us of doubling the team size, new technologies to update everything etc. etc. Nice talk and seems to me window dressing to continue selling as much as they can.

They only finished what was already nearly finished and in the pipeline as planned by Jason. Now they will milk the cow until it is empty. The hard reality which is to find the money to finance the future of this same series is another story. And we know that in the present situation that must not be easy at all. Let's have fun with what we have, and do as if this is it. Normandy is the closing chapter. Whatever may come next will be something different.

[LuftManu]

I am glad I am not married to any of you, guys ??

Edited January 20, 2023 by LuftManu

[S10JlAbraxis]

1 hour ago, Trooper117 said:

 

The moon baby, the moon!

 

 

Are you suggesting the next release will be fighting the rements of the Third Reich in their hide out on the far side of the moon?  P51 space ships dogfighting with Bf109 space ships on the moon?  If so i'm in!!!!  That is as long as the 50 caliber lasers do a realistic amount of damage.

Edited January 20, 2023 by S10JlAbraxis

[343KKT_Kintaro]

3 minutes ago, IckyATLAS said:

Let's have fun with what we have, and do as if this is it.

 

 

Agreed at 100%, thank you IckyATLAS.

 

 

3 minutes ago, IckyATLAS said:

Normandy is the closing chapter. Whatever may come next will be something different.

 

 

That was my reading at first, but if you look closely, there's no evidence proving it. We know nothing about the "new project". We'll see... that's all.

 

Other than that, I can't understand how impatient the community is. The developers owe us nothing. NOTHING. If there's anxiety, it's not their fault. We really need to go back in time to the 1990s calm spirit: a game is not a person... why should we get angry with it? or anxious? 

 

 

[Jaws2002]

6 minutes ago, IckyATLAS said:

I think we have to keep things straight and simple. There is no communication, because there is nothing to say.

 The "DD' was a weekly update about things they are working on. They may not be able to talk about the next sim/major engine update, but there's still content that it's being worked on  for this version, that many of us already preordered. 

   They could post development updates about the bubble top Spit, The Siemens ww1 fighter, the LA-5F, G6AS, or the IAR.

 How hard is it to post a couple screenshots about those, once a week.

[=_=HeavenAndClouds]

This team is just not good at marketing their game...like most Russian gaming companies.

[S10JlAbraxis]

40 minutes ago, DBFlyguy said:

 

 

cough, cough:

 

 

And while I enjoy that this "DD Today" thread is one of the few entertaining places left on this forum where we can post memes and have fun... I do value a consistent newsletter on top of multiple staff that actually interact with their community with useful info concerning a product they are asking me to continue to support and spend money on:

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/news/newsletters/

 

And a brand new sale is live now! (until the 29th):

 

 

DCS isn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination... but at least ED manages to do the simple things on a consistent basis, I don't think that is too much of an ask.

I have DCS and unfortunately until they release a career mode and or dynamic campaign it gets very boring very fast.  How many times am I supposed to play the same stale single missions and linear campaigns over and over again? zzzzzzz......   I have no interest in building missions or DCS multiplayer - so boring, boring, boring DCS.  If IL2 goes away I am done with flight sims. Nothing aginst those who enjoy it just not for me.

[Rjel]

50 minutes ago, LuftManu said:

I am glad I am not married to any of you, guys ??

Back atcha. Not that there’s anything wrong with that….

[Lusekofte]

DCS campaigns got life. I wish for that in GB too. Everybody earns by having many good sims out there. 
But all this start to get really weird. By now everybody should see it ain’t gonna be any news until they have any

[86Cheese]

43 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

DCS campaigns got life. I wish for that in GB too. Everybody earns by having many good sims out there. 
But all this start to get really weird. By now everybody should see it ain’t gonna be any news until they have any

Yeah, well considering what we've been told, and that there are various things in the pipeline they're already taking money for, a little concern over the lack of news seems pretty fair. ?

[Orfanik]

Hello everyone,

I'm 50 years old and I like this Sim.
I completely restore old cars. It is usually a very long and demanding job. And I can't imagine not informing the customer how the work is progressing for more than one month. Even if the repair does not proceed as we agreed. Maybe because of an illness. But I always try to communicate with the customer and send some photo of the work just finished. The customer understands, he is calm and so am I. And I expect the same from GB developers. Just to write a few words to appease this great community of players who have been supporting all of this since Rise of Flight was released.
But I also understand that nowadays it is very difficult to plan anything if you are based in Moscow.
That's why I'm patiently waiting for the announcement of the release of the Siemens-Schuckert, which I've had for about a year now, as well as the career mode for WWI.

Cheers from Pilsen.?

[dburne]

1 hour ago, S10JlAbraxis said:

I have DCS and unfortunately until they release a career mode and or dynamic campaign it gets very boring very fast.  How many times am I supposed to play the same stale single missions and linear campaigns over and over again? zzzzzzz......   I have no interest in building missions or DCS multiplayer - so boring, boring, boring DCS.  If IL2 goes away I am done with flight sims. Nothing aginst those who enjoy it just not for me.

 

Odd I myself have a whole new love now for DCS having started some of their WWII action ( was already into their jets and choppers). Lots of good stuff on the horizon as well that has actually been shared with us. I still and likely always will support both titles. I am enjoying delving into their WWII stuff now as well.

[Jaws2002]

38 minutes ago, PilsnerPilot said:

Cheers from Pilsen.?

 

Thant must be nice. I stopped there a few times.... I miss that place.  ? 

Edited January 20, 2023 by Jaws2002

[Airborne2001]

I think they have a huge announcement coming, and they want to do it all at once instead of more small teasers. The only one(s) we've gotten were the subtle one in that livestream and the most recent dev diary. This has to be a hype building tactic.

[ST_Catchov]

6 hours ago, SeaSerpent said:

How long are these lamentations going to continue?

 

In one word. Forever and ever.

 

5 hours ago, =SquadTag=Username_ said:

Are you seriously?

 

Yes, I'm quite seriously.

 

[Bumfluff]

6 hours ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

 

 

I'm with you SeaSerpent.

 

I'll say it again, again, again, and again, until it is understood: I started flight sims back in the early 1990s. There was no internet at the time, we had the games we had, we were happy with them... and we played them, and the talk exchanges never happened in a virtual electronic world with people from the other side of the planet, people you never saw before and will never see in your life, the talking only happened with your classmates at the highschool sports field during the break time between lessons. Now it seems that the devs owe immediate satisfaction to the "community" of players simply because the latter, the players, have these internet tools which are the forums and the internet media. Back in the 1990s the idea we could spend our time demanding this or that to the game developers was simply inconceivable. Times changed to a worse situation. I'm 47, I have hair on my balls and I'll cope with these present times... if I want.

 

 

Times have changed. Regular and clear communication with your customers is now the norm.
 

And it’s really not that much to ask. The current situation speaks of a poor culture and does not look good for the long term to me. 
 

 
 

 

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, PilsnerPilot said:

But I always try to communicate with the customer and send some photo of the work just finished

But the job is finished we got what we payed for. Except from the IAR 80 

 

That said, I think the devs got balls if they are going to sell a new DLC 

The ignorance , because it is a respect less ignorance we are talking about. Have given me a much better approach to this. I start to not care. 
That said, they still do not owe me anything, it is their choice

Edited January 21, 2023 by Lusekofte

[Rjel]

7 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

But the job is finished we got what we payed for. Except from the IAR 80 

We did. Absolutely. But we've come to expect there will always be more. Bigger and better. I think that's really all of us who are asking for clarification are waiting for. 

Edited January 21, 2023 by Rjel
Grammer. Again dammit.

[CountZero]

3 hours ago, Jaws2002 said:

 The "DD' was a weekly update about things they are working on. They may not be able to talk about the next sim/major engine update, but there's still content that it's being worked on  for this version, that many of us already preordered. 

   They could post development updates about the bubble top Spit, The Siemens ww1 fighter, the LA-5F, G6AS, or the IAR.

 How hard is it to post a couple screenshots about those, once a week.

La-5F ? yes they still didnt anounced that one

[Jaws2002]

21 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

But the job is finished we got what we payed for. Except from the IAR 80 

 

Not really. I have three aircraft on preorder that are still not finished. The bubble top Spit 14, the Siemens-Schuckert D.IV and the IAR. 

 It wouldn't kill them to post some shots from time to time, to keep people interested.

[BraveSirRobin]

16 minutes ago, Bumfluff said:

Times have changed. Regular and clear communication with your customers is now the norm.
 

And it’s really not that much to ask. The current situation speaks of a poor culture and does not look good for the long term to me. 
 

 
 

 

 

2 hours ago, PilsnerPilot said:

Hello everyone,

I'm 50 years old and I like this Sim.
I completely restore old cars. It is usually a very long and demanding job. And I can't imagine not informing the customer how the work is progressing for more than one month. Even if the repair does not proceed as we agreed. Maybe because of an illness. But I always try to communicate with the customer and send some photo of the work just finished. The customer understands, he is calm and so am I. And I expect the same from GB developers. Just to write a few words to appease this great community of players who have been supporting all of this since Rise of Flight was released.
But I also understand that nowadays it is very difficult to plan anything if you are based in Moscow.
That's why I'm patiently waiting for the announcement of the release of the Siemens-Schuckert, which I've had for about a year now, as well as the career mode for WWI.

Cheers from Pilsen.?

 

2 hours ago, 86Cheese said:

Yeah, well considering what we've been told, and that there are various things in the pipeline they're already taking money for, a little concern over the lack of news seems pretty fair. ?

 

4 hours ago, =SqSq=SignorMagnifico said:

I find the lack of communication from the devs to be disturbing. The player base clearly has some anxieties, and, instead of reassurance, we are given silence, leading to wild speculation and fear. Weekly DD’s were much beloved by this community because it created trust through transparency. Who will step in to fill the void?

 

5 hours ago, BladeMeister said:

This. For a full-time paid development team who have seen the excitement and high interaction caused by the DDs, they obviously don't understand or they don't care about PR. 

 

S!Blade<><

All of you should go look at the DD updates between Dec. 17 2021 and Jan. 21ish 2022.  You know, when the Almighty Jason, the guru of PR, the only hope for this entire genre, was making sure that you were updated every hour on the hour.  It won’t take you very long.  Because there were no DD updates for an entire month.

 

Also, don’t take this as a shot a Jason.  He probably saved this game.  But get a grip.

[CUJO_1970]

Real women prefer a smooth set, sorry you had to find this out on a flight sim forum.

 

 

[BraveSirRobin]

I love this forum.

[Guest deleted@83466]

49 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

I love this forum.

 

You should try it after smoking the devil’s tobacco.

[BlitzPig_EL]

A good single malt makes a perfect companion while surfing here tonight.

[Rjel]

16 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

A good single malt makes a perfect companion while surfing here tonight.

I love a good chocolate malt too!

[=SqSq=SignorMagnifico]

6 hours ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

 

 

Oh my god... oh my god... oh myyyyyy... god....

 

Please you people, you SignorMagnifico and other impatient ones, please read the last post of SeaSerpent on this page, or my last post above equally.

 

Jason style was cool... ok... but that was really exceptional, for it is not the norm. It isn't... at all. The norm is that a company announces by means of a magazine's article, or an interview, that its devs are working on a flight sim project... and then all the dudes in the community say "ok, good"... and then all the dudes go back to their daily life... and  they wait patiently until the product is released.

 

Software development, is veeery slow, what do you want they announce every Friday?

 

 

I’m just saying the dev team needs to do a better job of communicating their intentions. That way of announcing may have been okay in the 90s and 2000s, but times have changed. IL-2 has a precedent of a weekly dev diary, and other competitors also communicate something on a weekly basis. This is now the norm. Of course, we don’t expect major announcements every week, but it wouldn’t hurt to see some screenshots of things they’re working on. Not only that, but this is now the longest time we’ve gone since the release of an entry into the IL-2 GB series without knowing what is going to be the next title.
 

At the very least they could address the community’s questions about items they’ve already announced. i.e. 1) Are they working on an engine overhaul or a totally new game? 2) What does new product mean? Does it mean a completely new game or a new entry into the GB series? 3) Will prior purchases be compatible with the new product? If not, what is the support plan for those products? 4) What is planned for 2023? 5) What is the status of things we’ve already paid for but haven’t received like the IAR-80 and career mode for FC2? 6) What theater have they chosen for the next entry?

 

It’s fine with me if the dev team doesn’t want to give us weekly updates anymore, but considering the precedent, it would be common courtesy at least to tell us straightforwardly that they’re not going to do them anymore. Complete silence for over a month is worse than telling us they’ve discontinued DDs.

[BraveSirRobin]

13 minutes ago, =SqSq=SignorMagnifico said:

 

It’s fine with me if the dev team doesn’t want to give us weekly updates anymore, but considering the precedent

The precedent is that they don’t post DDs from late December through late January.  

17 minutes ago, =SqSq=SignorMagnifico said:

Complete silence for over a month is worse than telling us they’ve discontinued DDs.

The last DD was December 29.

[=SqSq=SignorMagnifico]

6 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

The precedent is that they don’t post DDs from late December through late January.  

The last DD was December 29.

Complete silence on the new project since it was teased in September/October. The last DD was just a summary of what they did in 2022. It’s already late January.

Edited January 21, 2023 by =SqSq=SignorMagnifico

[BraveSirRobin]

Just now, =SqSq=SignorMagnifico said:

Complete silence on the new project. The last DD was just a summary of what they did in 2022. It’s already late January.

It seems unlikely that the next project will be announced in a DD.  Prior precedent would indicate that they’ll make a bigger deal of it than just a DD.

[=SqSq=SignorMagnifico]

7 hours ago, DBFlyguy said:

 

 

cough, cough:

 

 

And while I enjoy that this "DD Today" thread is one of the few entertaining places left on this forum where we can post memes and have fun... I do value a consistent newsletter on top of multiple staff that actually interact with their community with useful info concerning a product they are asking me to continue to support and spend money on:

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/news/newsletters/

 

And a brand new sale is live now! (until the 29th):

 

 

DCS isn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination... but at least ED manages to do the simple things on a consistent basis, I don't think that is too much of an ask.

This. So much this. Even if they don’t always deliver on promises, I like the transparency.