Guest deleted@83466 Posted January 15, 2023 Posted January 15, 2023 I played IL-2 MP for years, and I encountered a few people who didn’t want anything to do with DCS because of the clicky complexity and learning requirements. They much preferred the instant gratification of IL-2. So, I didn’t think of DCS and IL-2 being big “competitors” either. I wager there were a lot more DCS people who also played IL-2, than the other way around. But the reality is that the WW2 planes in DCS do not have that big a learning curve, especially if you’ve been flying them in IL-2. And if/when DCS starts announcing things like the Pacific, I think there are going to be people who come to realize that flipping a couple circuit breakers, clicking the primer button a few times, and changing a magneto switch from OFF to Both is not too steep an entry barrier to begin enjoying the challenges of WW2 carrier ops. (And the magnificent thrill and joy that comes from having a drop tank?). So yes, times have changed and I do indeed see them as competitors at this time. I guess one can see that as a positive thing though, because competition can lead to a higher standard.
dburne Posted January 15, 2023 Posted January 15, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, SeaSerpent said: I played IL-2 MP for years, and I encountered a few people who didn’t want anything to do with DCS because of the clicky complexity and learning requirements. They much preferred the instant gratification of IL-2. So, I didn’t think of DCS and IL-2 being big “competitors” either. I wager there were a lot more DCS people who also played IL-2, than the other way around. But the reality is that the WW2 planes in DCS do not have that big a learning curve, especially if you’ve been flying them in IL-2. And if/when DCS starts announcing things like the Pacific, I think there are going to be people who come to realize that flipping a couple circuit breakers, clicking the primer button a few times, and changing a magneto switch from OFF to Both is not too steep an entry barrier to begin enjoying the challenges of WW2 carrier ops. (And the magnificent thrill and joy that comes from having a drop tank?). So yes, times have changed and I do indeed see them as competitors at this time. I guess one can see that as a positive thing though, because competition can lead to a higher standard. I am doing more with DCS WWII than I ever have, however it was primarily due to two things - the addition of Point CTRL to my hardware, and the upcoming carrier ops. I still love them both however, and will always have both on my rig as long as things stay at least as good as they are now if not better. I will also continue to fully support both. Edited January 15, 2023 by dburne 1
sevenless Posted January 15, 2023 Posted January 15, 2023 6 minutes ago, Bonnot said: .....A good ( ? ) B17 looks to be in final process, no ? Not my cup of tea. Way too boring. 1
Lusekofte Posted January 15, 2023 Posted January 15, 2023 4 hours ago, SeaSerpent said: And if/when DCS starts announcing things like the Pacific, I think there are going to be people who come to realize that flipping a couple circuit breakers, Well Corsair is cool and all that. But how long will it take getting an Avenger and Japanese counterpart. I say you this. If GB devs spend 1,5 years getting this new thing running. And another 2 years making PTO , they still will have a more complete PTO environment before DCS pull their finger out and deliver anything close to a complete scenario. I use DCS , very fondly for campaigns for specific modules. For a airwar I still look at GB as the only alternative. At least until VR is supported in Clod. This is why I become semi religious praying for this new thing will end up in something I will like 2
dburne Posted January 15, 2023 Posted January 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Lusekofte said: Well Corsair is cool and all that. But how long will it take getting an Avenger and Japanese counterpart. I say you this. If GB devs spend 1,5 years getting this new thing running. And another 2 years making PTO , they still will have a more complete PTO environment before DCS pull their finger out and deliver anything close to a complete scenario. I use DCS , very fondly for campaigns for specific modules. For a airwar I still look at GB as the only alternative. At least until VR is supported in Clod. This is why I become semi religious praying for this new thing will end up in something I will like That one never knows. I think both Devs happen to like throwing some surprises in. Seems ED is certainly devoing more resources now to their WWII offering. I hope whatever these 1CGS devs have up their sleeve it is something truly amazing and worthy of the "wait" they are providing us with.
BraveSirRobin Posted January 15, 2023 Posted January 15, 2023 6 hours ago, SeaSerpent said: I played IL-2 MP for years, and I encountered a few people who didn’t want anything to do with DCS because of the clicky complexity and learning requirements. They much preferred the instant gratification of IL-2. So, I didn’t think of DCS and IL-2 being big “competitors” either. I wager there were a lot more DCS people who also played IL-2, than the other way around. But the reality is that the WW2 planes in DCS do not have that big a learning curve, especially if you’ve been flying them in IL-2. And if/when DCS starts announcing things like the Pacific, I think there are going to be people who come to realize that flipping a couple circuit breakers, clicking the primer button a few times, and changing a magneto switch from OFF to Both is not too steep an entry barrier to begin enjoying the challenges of WW2 carrier ops. (And the magnificent thrill and joy that comes from having a drop tank?). So yes, times have changed and I do indeed see them as competitors at this time. I guess one can see that as a positive thing though, because competition can lead to a higher standard. If DCS does PTO it will probably be Corsair vs A6M5 over Pearl Harbor map. 2 2
Lusekofte Posted January 16, 2023 Posted January 16, 2023 6 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said: If DCS does PTO it will probably be Corsair vs A6M5 over Pearl Harbor map. You are not wrong. There is no coordinated approach at all. But I really hope for another map. 6 hours ago, dburne said: That one never knows. I think both Devs happen to like throwing some surprises in. Yes, but excuse my scepticism But despite excellent modules and a great simulation. No matter how many maps and modules made. They never really match each other.
Alexmarine Posted January 16, 2023 Posted January 16, 2023 7 hours ago, dburne said: Seems ED is certainly devoing more resources now to their WWII offering. A reskin of a modern map to WW2 era and a single USN fighter coming in the next 1 and half/ 2 years doesn't scream "devoting more resources" yet to me... (The Corsair is third party and should not be considered a joint and planned effort, just lucky that ED wants to have some token Pacific content thrown in the game) 3
Bonnot Posted January 16, 2023 Posted January 16, 2023 16 hours ago, SeaSerpent said: one can see that as a positive thing though, because competition can lead to a higher standard. This is a Highly [Political] philosophical debate : don't know if it is not beyond the limits fixed in the Dev's Law ?
Lusekofte Posted January 16, 2023 Posted January 16, 2023 19 hours ago, Jaws2002 said: You got it wrong. All are competition for Il-2GB and so is FS2020. They all compete for our limited playing time. All of them are overall more successful and more modern that Il-2GB. Il-2 does the ww2 thing a bit better, but people are after fun in their limited time so if they think it's more fun to fly a jet or a civilian plane, in a much more modern game, they will do it. It does not work that way at all. I ant obviously not speak for all, just the ones I know , Having spent time with simulators / game since 2000 and what was simrelated before that. I can truly say that many simulators or games are not competing, they are keeping you in the genre. Sure you take a break from one brand and do other brands. But at least you are still on the marked. Very few would have invested in 5 rigs in a relative short time just to do one. GB is alone in exactly what they do, and that make them a sure thing in your HD , just like DCS and MSFS If I would get a new rig today, DCS would be the one I calibrate it for. Whatever runs nicely there run super on GB and MSFS Only one close to be a competitor is CLOD, but clod take time to do anything serious with. So still GB is better in some ways, clod in other.
Trooper117 Posted January 16, 2023 Posted January 16, 2023 Just now, Lusekofte said: f I would get a new rig today, DCS would be the one I calibrate it for. Absolutely, me too... however, I'm at the stage now that I'll never be able to afford a new rig, so if GB demands with their 'new project' that we all will need to get new rigs to run it properly, there will be no point in buying it. I'll have to see how all of this pans out... if it pans out of course. 1
ITAF_Rani Posted January 16, 2023 Posted January 16, 2023 So this long silence could be a prelude for upcoming news..??
sevenless Posted January 16, 2023 Posted January 16, 2023 30 minutes ago, ITAF_Rani said: So this long silence could be a prelude for upcoming news..?? I personally wouldn´t be surprised if they take the 2nd February (80th anniversary of german surrender at Stalingrad) to announce something.
Lusekofte Posted January 16, 2023 Posted January 16, 2023 4 hours ago, Trooper117 said: Absolutely, me too... however, I'm at the stage now that I'll never be able to afford a new rig, so if GB demands with their 'new project' that we all will need to get new rigs to run it properly, there will be no point in buying it. I'll have to see how all of this pans out... if it pans out of course. During development of what we have, this software only been smoother. The mess DCS got get different hits on performance for every patch they release. One are almost worried when they come. I can only think a revision of the software is a kind of cleanup and can be well rough on the edges in the start then improving. 1
=621=Samikatz Posted January 16, 2023 Posted January 16, 2023 I think they have simply been enjoying Eastern Christmas, hence the lack of DD. Hopefully things are back to normal now 2
kestrel79 Posted January 16, 2023 Posted January 16, 2023 January is always pretty slow for the Russian dev teams, I want to say it's their Orthodox Christmas a week or two ago and other holidays? We usually don't get DDs until late Jan or early Feb in the past around this time.
firdimigdi Posted January 16, 2023 Posted January 16, 2023 Above are illustrated the dire symptoms of vitamin DD defficiency. Don't let this happen to you; all it takes is exposure to 15 lines of text and a sprinkling of screenshots. Think of your loved ones. 3
bootrom Posted January 16, 2023 Posted January 16, 2023 I saw an announcement for the new Great Battle on Steam, looks to be Operation Overlord. Curious why do another D-Day expansion after just completing Normandy? 1
firdimigdi Posted January 16, 2023 Posted January 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, bootrom said: I saw an announcement for the new Great Battle on Steam, looks to be Operation Overlord. Curious why do another D-Day expansion after just completing Normandy? Uh, not sure how to say this but here goes: it's the same thing. It's a pitch for the Normandy expansion. ^ This too is another symptom of DD deficiency. Act now. 1 2
Bonnot Posted January 16, 2023 Posted January 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, firdimigdi said: it's the same thing. It's a pitch for the Normandy expansion. Maybe steam has done a realistic visible Atlantic Wall ...........* _________________________ * Look at screenshots...
sevenless Posted January 16, 2023 Posted January 16, 2023 16 minutes ago, bootrom said: I saw an announcement for the new Great Battle on Steam, looks to be Operation Overlord. Curious why do another D-Day expansion after just completing Normandy? Erm... Normandy landings - Wikipedia
Wardog5711 Posted January 16, 2023 Posted January 16, 2023 It's just a promo post for the Normandy module. NOT a new module.
Lusekofte Posted January 16, 2023 Posted January 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Wardog5711 said: It's just a promo post for the Normandy module. IS a new module. I fixed that for you it came out just before Christmas. So it is new
=_=HeavenAndClouds Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 I need a refund if there's no DD on this friday. 1
YoYo Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 From FB. The new size of the map? Or Battle of Britain maybe finally? 1
DBFlyguy Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, YoYo said: From FB. The new size of the map? Or Battle of Britain maybe finally? It's the same map from Normandy. 3
Trooper117 Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 There... will... be... no... Battle... of... Britain... in... GB!...
CUJO_1970 Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, Trooper117 said: There... will... be... no... Battle... of... Britain... in... GB!... 6
YoYo Posted January 19, 2023 Posted January 19, 2023 Im sure that Tomorrow we will have great DD info! ?
YoYo Posted January 19, 2023 Posted January 19, 2023 23 minutes ago, Livai said: ? All's Quiet on the Eastern DD Front? ? Perhaps, they will prepared storm of new infos! Tomorrow!? 1
Livai Posted January 19, 2023 Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, YoYo said: Perhaps, they will prepared storm of new infos! Tomorrow!? They have the infos already what we need tomorrow but they put them in the wrong folder...................... Edited January 19, 2023 by Livai 2
Jaws2002 Posted January 19, 2023 Posted January 19, 2023 If they don't have news about the upcoming game, maybe they can show us more IAR-80/81 porn. 2 1
Trooper117 Posted January 19, 2023 Posted January 19, 2023 Just now, Jaws2002 said: If they don't have news about the upcoming game, maybe they can show us more IAR-80/81 porn. I know you love that plane mate... bet you can't wait!
Jaws2002 Posted January 19, 2023 Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Trooper117 said: I know you love that plane mate... bet you can't wait! I can patiently wait.....No problem or impatience here..... ...... https://youtu.be/QfaSLHOm4rw ? Edited January 19, 2023 by Jaws2002 1
YoYo Posted January 19, 2023 Posted January 19, 2023 9 minutes ago, Jaws2002 said: If they don't have news about the upcoming game, maybe they can show us more IAR-80/81 porn. And campaing info for this bird . Preordered already, Im waiting too, especially because it's partly a development of the Polish fighter. 1
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