DD_Arthur Posted October 21, 2013 Posted October 21, 2013 (edited) The answer was no by someone not associated with the project. That's like a homeless person giving you advice on the current housing market. Oh, hello Mr. Meow; homeless person here. . Are we going to have an NDA? No according to Jason and no according to common sense. Some squadmates of mine were volunteer beta testers for RoF before release. That was indeed under an NDA. Here we have approx. three thousand people who have paid for early access to a beta with absolutely no mention of any NDA. I really can't see them going for that now. I'm not sure how you could stop three thousand people posting reviews and video on YouTube. Seems like an expensive way for a company with pretty good PR to make an ass of itself and alienate its core customer base at the very beginning of release, dontcha think? Edited October 21, 2013 by arthursmedley
FuriousMeow Posted October 21, 2013 Posted October 21, 2013 Probably, but it makes little difference to my statement. You are involved in the project as much as I am - none. So we're both homeless persons.
DD_Arthur Posted October 22, 2013 Posted October 22, 2013 So we're both homeless persons. 'Tis true..........and winters comin'.
HeavyCavalrySgt Posted October 22, 2013 Posted October 22, 2013 What, exactly, is the problem with agreeing to a NDA? You agree to software license agreements without so much as a second thought every time you install software, even the free ones like Adobe reader, winzip, or winrar. No problem if it is clear up front. Changing the conditions of early access after people have paid for it would be a problem.
=RvE=Windmills Posted October 22, 2013 Posted October 22, 2013 That's an EULA btw, an NDA is something else entirely. 1
TheBlackPenguin Posted October 22, 2013 Posted October 22, 2013 That's an EULA btw, an NDA is something else entirely. Yes this. NDA = Non Disclosure Agreement, think of it like Fight Club, what goes on behind an NDA stays there, you cannot mention it anywhere outside designated areas, and in most cases not even mention you're involved, which in this case its already broken by all of us with the word Founder and with the gold or silver bars we proudly display. Honestly, from what we've seen during the livestream they could release this client to the premium founders as is, however in my opinion 1C/777 are going to go the extra mile in adding as much polish to the Alpha because they will rely on those videos and opinions to fuel more sales.
FuriousMeow Posted October 22, 2013 Posted October 22, 2013 (edited) That's an EULA btw, an NDA is something else entirely. Really? I guess that when I stated License Agreement I meant something else than a EULA. I know the difference between a NDA and an EULA, point is you agree to one but the other one is somehow a problem? The former prevents you from releasing particular information, if you read through them some allow release of material. The latter, however, can revoke your ability to ever use it again should you violate anything in that agreement. Edited October 22, 2013 by FuriousMeow
Foobar Posted October 22, 2013 Posted October 22, 2013 Don't read anything about alpha or beta here: http://il2sturmovik.com/ Just development.
FuriousMeow Posted October 22, 2013 Posted October 22, 2013 (edited) I've seen it mentioned before, I believe it was the e-mail announcement. However, this post: http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/1674-watch-space/?p=39354 clearly states what to expect, and there are previous posts that have stated it will be an early release in every sense. It'll only have a few planes, it'll be somewhat complete, but it should be stable since it's built on a stable engine. Developer diary 31: 1) Will the alpha-version which is going to be provided to players during the early access period in Autumn have SLI/CrossFire support? I know that release version was announced to have full compatibility. Yes. Perhaps not the best advertised that early access means early development access, but following the dev diaries should be pretty clear. Edited October 22, 2013 by FuriousMeow
Foobar Posted October 22, 2013 Posted October 22, 2013 Totally agree. Until now everybody should have realized what to expect. Information given was enough.
Matt Posted October 22, 2013 Posted October 22, 2013 For example if you would not known the game but you would like to buy it. And I who have earlier access to the game I would show via youtube that the game its like Silent Hunter 5 or I would write don't buy it. Who you would trust more me or the developer? Me, of course. And a NDA is to avoid this. Again, this is not about "does a NDA make sense". It's about "does a product that has been sold to ~3500 people without mentioning of a NDA of any kind still ask the people who paid to have to sign the NDA to be able to get all the features he paid for 3 months ago". I'm not stating that a NDA wouldn't have made sense, it probably would've. But that's not the point here.
AnaRasanen Posted October 22, 2013 Posted October 22, 2013 its not a beta version. Here a explain what you get for your money...... --> early alpha access for VIP Special Invitation Uber Premium package (VIP Gold Logo) --> alpha access for Premium (Gold Logo) --> beta for Standard (Silver Logo) So is that early alpha access thing already going on? What's the difference between early alpha access and normal alpha access?
Livai Posted October 22, 2013 Posted October 22, 2013 Again, this is not about "does a NDA make sense". It's about "does a product that has been sold to ~3500 people without mentioning of a NDA of any kind still ask the people who paid to have to sign the NDA to be able to get all the features he paid for 3 months ago". I'm not stating that a NDA wouldn't have made sense, it probably would've. But that's not the point here. Thats true, they sold a product with early access without mentioning ~3500 people the NDA thing. So is that early alpha access thing already going on? What's the difference between early alpha access and normal alpha access? Yes, the difference you can see it on some Videos and Live-Streams that was from early alpha access. The best example is Gamescom 2013 that was early alpha access footage, too.
AnaRasanen Posted October 22, 2013 Posted October 22, 2013 Yes, the difference you can see it on some Videos and Live-Streams that was from early alpha access. The best example is Gamescom 2013 that was early alpha access footage, too. Ok, good thing they have started testing a long time ago then.
I/JG27_Rollo Posted October 22, 2013 Posted October 22, 2013 If we take the user agreement (http://il2sturmovik.com/user-agreement/) literally, every early access version will be a Beta. (see 2.) Schedule No. 2 to the User Agreement PRE-ORDER PROGRAM 1. General or partial refunds other than for accidental double/multiple purchases are not allowed during the pre-order program. The User shall shop with caution and at his/her own risk.2. In addition to the User Agreement previously agreed to, the User understands that by placing a pre-order the Operator is offering access to its Beta of the Game. 3. The release date for the Game is not known precisely and dates, features and performance may change during development and without warning. All final decisions about the Game are at the sole discretion of the Operator. 4. The Operator makes no warranties or guarantees about the performance of the Game with the User’s computer system. 5. By continuing with the pre-order of the Game the User acknowledges the above facts and agrees to continue with the purchase of the Pre-Order of the Game. 3. also says that "features [...] may change [...] without warning". Maybe that could include a NDA but that's very far fetched.
Livai Posted October 22, 2013 Posted October 22, 2013 If we take the user agreement (http://il2sturmovik.com/user-agreement/) literally, every early access version will be a Beta. (see 2.) 3. also says that "features [...] may change [...] without warning". Maybe that could include a NDA but that's very far fetched. According to the "3. The release date for the Game is not known precisely and dates, features and performance may change during development and without warning. All final decisions about the Game are at the sole discretion of the Operator." Its not NDA. With features mean they we remove Bf-109 K-4 for example or the Graphic first it would be like the Preorder-Trailer or like they show with their Live-Stream and during the development they lower the graphic because some have a Intel i386 and want to play the game on max setting or remove multiplayer. Ask for example LukeFF he played the EARLY ALPHA VERSION OF THE GAME and play it at the moment, too but he has a VIP Premium Version that you get by invitation and he is under NDA. Since you can not preorder this VIP Premium Version what its not fair, gets feeling like you are a Second Hand Customer. Back to topic... If I would made a game with early access that others paid for it to get early access and I still known that to the date the game would not be finished and I would known, too that I not like to see footage from early access from the preorders. I would write down the NDA thing inside the Preorder Description before I open the Preorder for the game.
Uufflakke Posted October 22, 2013 Posted October 22, 2013 What is this NDA discussion? Some seem to be very confident there will be no NDA, others seem to understand that there will be a NDA. All assumptions but nobody comes with evidence. Just rumours of what might have been said somewhere weeks ago or have been written down somewhere in cyberspace. Zak, the community managers says on page 2: "There still may be NDA" why not stick to that and wait what happens.
AcesHigh Posted October 22, 2013 Posted October 22, 2013 November 12th seems to be confirmed as the day we will fly..... How official is that, maybe those flight sim gods cut me some slack after all? Premium Edition owners will be able to take off into the Stalingrad skies and become part of one of the most important battles of WWII starting November 12, 2013 http://www.combatsim.com/printer.php?id=17475
Shea Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 November 12th seems to be confirmed as the day we will fly..... How official is that, maybe those flight sim gods cut me some slack after all? Premium Edition owners will be able to take off into the Stalingrad skies and become part of one of the most important battles of WWII starting November 12, 2013 http://www.combatsim.com/printer.php?id=17475 Oh nice find mate,can this be comfirimed by the devs?
Freycinet Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 http://www.combatsim.com/, holy moly, haven't seen that site for a couple of decades (almost)!
AcesHigh Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 yes nov 12th must be official also on the 1c site and several others. http://www.1cpublishing.eu/
Jason_Williams Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 Guys, Yes, Nov. 12 is what we are shooting for. Jason 4
FlatSpinMan Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 Why, that's only a 17 days hence! Huzzah! This whole thing has gone so quickly.
Uufflakke Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 Guys, Yes, Nov. 12 is what we are shooting for. Jason Cool release date: 11-12-13 (American style of date notation)
JtD Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 (edited) Cool release date: 11-12-13 So, time of release will be either 9:10 or 14:15? Edited October 25, 2013 by JtD
=BKHZ=Furbs Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 It has gone quick, hasn't it? I know the actual release isn't for maybe 6 months, but to get to this point in this time frame is quite something. LOL jtD nice, im hoping for 9.10am.
Rivet Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 Guys, Yes, Nov. 12 is what we are shooting for. Jason That's an unexpected but very pleasant surprise
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