Moving forward.

[SCG_Neun]

Well some recent information now makes it clearer that any substantial changes to this game are not likely to happen and if they do, not very soon...But no problem guys for me. There is enough good in the game to actually have fun from my gaming perspective. You have to use every tool available..parser, custom missions, skin packs, and work logging mission results....maybe make some videos, read some background history about the actual battles.....maybe specialize on one particular pilot. Where was he stationed, what were the missions like, aircraft confronted, skill levels. Well you know.

I'd like to see a parser with the ability to separate mission results from all the units activity. You know...who got killed...who had to ditch.....what did they shoot down, or damage. Something to help create a feeling of mission success or failure. We made the right decision to push the attack, or we extended to far and too long against superior numbers and we lost this one...Right now...there is a feeling of "Im the only pilot out here"...We've  got to do away with that...

 

I will say that for me...the campaign well...I dont even mess with it.  But that's just how I feel about it.  

 

There are missions out there like Veterans with additional radio chatter which creates better immersion, and there is plenty of ground activity in those missions as well.  For the MP...well it's never going to be CL0D...so let's try and find what it can do.  AbortedMan has been commenting on COOP abilities and the like.  I guess what I'm saying is...you're either in now...or you're not....All I ever wanted to know is what are the game's enhancement capabilities and what tools are going to be provided to third party modders.  We are getting a little more information in that area and BOM is basically BOS...

 

So for me....it's time to move forward.. I'm wearing my bars...and I'm not ashamed to say I support whatever BOS and BOM can add to my hobby.  

Edited May 27, 2015 by JagdNeun

[6./ZG26_Emil]

As long as the old girl has life in her there is always hope 

[SCG_Neun]

Oh and there's plenty of life in her.....

[Wandalen]

Ecclesiastes : a living dog is bether than a dead lion.

 

I have big hope for this game, it is and it will be among the best ww2 simulator the next 10 years :-)

[Dakpilot]

It has been said I have a rosy outlook for BoS, this may be true, but realistically I think many forget what has been done in such a short timespan, as time has moved on from the 'Golden age of flight sims' expectations have become very intolerant

 

It has been only weeks since the day ME was released, at the end of Feb it is only now the end of may!

 

and only seven months since the Game was released as out of early access, and we have had 9 major updates

 

A huge new map given for free, Summer maps (Stalingrad + Velikie Luki) on the way for free, A whole new theatre and aircraft in development (which somehow has been spun by some to be a bad thing?  )

 

Some other sims produced a single patch alone, in a similar timeframe, we have had uncountable updates/bugfixes, http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/12826-game-updates/#upd09   other sims have had to wait 8 years for a single new map! is BoS really in such a bad state as far as timelines go

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[4thFG_Cpt_Godfrey]

The fact that this post was even started (not complaining) says a lot, like there is an issue. Your statement, even in an indiscreet way, acknowledges there is a problem. It has a certain feel of CLoD when it first came out. I hope it gets better and last forever.

 

 A whole new theatre Dakpilot? Did I miss something? The battle is moving north, still in Russia,,,,not the Med, South Pacific, etc.

[6./ZG26_Emil]

The fact that this post was even started (not complaining) says a lot, like there is an issue. Your statement, even in an indiscreet way, acknowledges there is a problem. It has a certain feel of CLoD when it first came out. I hope it gets better and last forever.

 

 A whole new theatre Dakpilot? Did I miss something? The battle is moving north, still in Russia,,,,not the Med, South Pacific, etc.

 

I imagine the biggest problem is that flight sims just don't generate enough money to give us what we all want. 

[BraveSirRobin]

The fact that this post was even started (not complaining) says a lot, like there is an issue. 

 

Not really.  This is about the 4th time he has changed his mind about whether this game is any good.  There is probably another "I'm done with this game" post coming in the near future, followed by another "moving forward" post soon after that.  As long as he doesn't post the shirtless photo of him on a horse that I'm almost certain is out there, it's all good.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

To be clear, it has NO feel of the CloD disaster. It has content missing that many expected. It had a design decision, unlocks, which was a marketing disaster. The game, however, has worked out of the gate on a technical level for everyone with the minimum specs. CloD didn't work for anyone regardless of how your machine was spec'd. The devs gave up on it and TF has made it playable, even good.

[SCG_Neun]

Actually....I'm usually trying to find the good things within this game and I have many post listing them.....My other posts asking hard questions about the direction this game is taking shouldn't be viewed as negativity in the game, per se.  But frustration in the lack of information.   The truth is...asking questions sooner or later gets you some answers.  Jason has provided us with some candid answers about some of the areas I was interested in and now that I know.....I have no other recourse then to move forward finding all the good I can find and making this game work for me.  The title is very appropriate.....but you'd have to be active in our discussions in here over the months...and six posts are a nice start.   I'm a centrist....remember.  And I never ride with my shirt off.  

 

 I'm sorry for all the posts guys....I think now that most of the guys are gone from here.....there's just a core group posting and our names keep popping up.  But I'll back off the new topic category for awhile...

[Trident_109]

. CloD didn't work for anyone regardless of how your machine was spec'd. The devs gave up on it and TF has made it playable, even good.

That's inaccurate. Even on my old crappy system I was able to turn down features to get a fun experience. It wasn't the grande BoB with hundreds of planes but it did give me a chance to go up against a modest amount of enemies. I had trouble over London, but could sight see quite nicely. I watched plenty of CoD videos from the likes of Freycinet who ran the game without issue... or at least minimal.

 

I know there were issues. Many of us in this hobby were rightly disappointed, but to say CoD didn't work for anyone is misleading.

 

 

 

EDIT: Regarding BoS. I haven't made up my mind on what the future has in store for the game to be on my hard drive. I'm aware of 777's plans but as it is I haven't flown BoS in at least a month. To be fair I've cut down a lot on my flying. I just don't feel the urge to play BoS. When I do it's CoD or IL21946.

 

We'll see. I keep checking in for inspiration. I'm just not feeling it yet even from members who demonstrate great excitement for the game.

Edited May 28, 2015 by Trident_109

[voncrapenhauser]

Ecclesiastes : a living dog is bether than a dead lion.

 

I have big hope for this game, it is and it will be among the best ww2 simulator the next 10 years :-)

I could be dead in 10 years lol 

 

I still have hope for the living dog but I can't wait forever and won't be investing anymore money anytime soon until I see greater changes in gameplay in SP. 

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

It's not really inaccurate. If you are turning stuff off, messing with settings and tweaking your computer ust to make a game barely playable it is NOT a working game. BOS works for anyone with the minimum spec machine. You can tweak to get better performance or do overlays in BOS but you don't have to just so you can play the game. People can justly argue about missing content or unlocks. Arguing about the basics of flight and mechanics just doesn't cut it with this game. Clod was a disaster. This game is poorly marketed but completely playable from the technical side of things.

[Wandalen]

Ecclesiastes : a living dog is bether than a dead lion.

I have big hope for this game, it is and it will be among the best ww2 simulator the next 10 years :-)

  

 

 

I could be dead in 10 years lol 

 

I still have hope for the living dog but I can't wait forever and won't be investing anymore money anytime soon until I see greater changes in gameplay in SP. 

10 years from now on my friend! BOS is not broken, it works verry well on moast computers.

The rate of updates and plans for the future makes this a good investment for ww2 simmers :-)

 

~S~

[Bearcat]

.... BOM is basically BOS...

 

So for me....it's time to move forward.. I'm wearing my bars...and I'm not ashamed to say I support whatever BOS and BOM can add to my hobby.  

 

Which is what some have been saying all along....

 

It has been said I have a rosy outlook for BoS, this may be true, but realistically I think many forget what has been done in such a short timespan, as time has moved on from the 'Golden age of flight sims' expectations have become very intolerant

It has been only weeks since the day ME was released, at the end of Feb it is only now the end of may!

and only seven months since the Game was released as out of early access, and we have had 9 major updates

A huge new map given for free, Summer maps (Stalingrad + Velikie Luki) on the way for free, A whole new theatre and aircraft in development (which somehow has been spun by some to be a bad thing?  )

Some other sims produced a single patch alone, in a similar timeframe, we have had uncountable updates/bugfixes, http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/12826-game-updates/#upd09   other sims have had to wait 8 years for a single new map! is BoS really in such a bad state as far as timelines go

 

 

I agree...  pretty much.. symantics aside..

 

The fact that this post was even started (not complaining) says a lot, like there is an issue. Your statement, even in an indiscreet way, acknowledges there is a problem. It has a certain feel of CLoD when it first came out. I hope it gets better and last forever.

 A whole new theatre Dakpilot? Did I miss something? The battle is moving north, still in Russia,,,,not the Med, South Pacific, etc.

 

This feels nothing like CoD at all ... nor has it been anything like CoD as far as it's release and implementation goes. It has definitely had it's share of WTH were they thinking moments that's for sure...

 

To be clear, it has NO feel of the CloD disaster. It has content missing that many expected. It had a design decision, unlocks, which was a marketing disaster. The game, however, has worked out of the gate on a technical level for everyone with the minimum specs. CloD didn't work for anyone regardless of how your machine was spec'd. The devs gave up on it and TF has made it playable, even good.

 

Absolutely.. why people keep saying this baffles me. To be honest CoD did work for some otherwise it would not have a following to this day .. but for a large number of people myself included it did not work well at all. I had an AMD Fx-60 with a GTX - 260 4G RAM .... at the time CoD was released it would not run at all unless over water with one plane.. anything more, regardless to the settings was an unplayable slide show... On the same rig after the last official patch with successive improvements with each TF patch I was able to at least do a one on one fight over water... I could not fully enjoy CoD until after I totally upgraded my rig for BoS to an 8150

 

That's inaccurate. Even on my old crappy system I was able to turn down features to get a fun experience. It wasn't the grande BoB with hundreds of planes but it did give me a chance to go up against a modest amount of enemies. I had trouble over London, but could sight see quite nicely. I watched plenty of CoD videos from the likes of Freycinet who ran the game without issue... or at least minimal.

I know there were issues. Many of us in this hobby were rightly disappointed, but to say CoD didn't work for anyone is misleading.

 

 

I agree with that last part.. although based on the poster I would be more inclined to say innaccurate as opposed to misleading.. but let's face it.. If the worksdecently:does not work decently ratio for CoD was as high as it is for BoS we would probably not be having this discussion.

[SharpeXB]

but to say CoD didn't work for anyone is misleading.

Actually even after its final patch Cliffs of Dover did not work. Or does still not work well. It is missing a vital component and that is antialiasing. Without functioning antialiasing everything on your screen is a jagged blurry mess and seeing it ID ing other aircraft is nearly impossible. So there's more to "working" than just a frame rate. I don't know if TF has fixed that, I still see this jaggedness in TF videos. No AA means this terrible flickering on distant aircraft that nearly makes them dissapear.

True that flight sim fans are a resilient lot and will put up with much that ordinary gamers won't. But "working well" means there shouldn't be any of these problems. Only the most diehard CoD fan would play a flight sim that has no AA.

BoS works well.

 

The other thing in CoD that still does not work is its AI. They're quite abysmal. Like you can fly through a squadron of enemy fighters and shoot them down without any of em reacting. The game has some great features for sure but those two aspects above make it just too annoying.

Edited May 28, 2015 by SharpeXB

[dburne]

Actually even after its final patch Cliffs of Dover did not work. Or does still not work well. It is missing a vital component and that is antialiasing. Without functioning antialiasing everything on your screen is a jagged blurry mess and seeing it ID ing other aircraft is nearly impossible. So there's more to "working" than just a frame rate.

 

Not sure why this thread is going down this path, but to clarify:

Yes, AA is now working in TF Cliffs. Just enable AA , set it to 1X, and it enables FXAA. Does not matter what it is set to in game, 1x, 2x, 4x, all the same - it just enables it.

 

I personally run it in 2X DSR and it is beautiful. Prior to TF fixing this, I ran it in higher resolutions to help with the jaggies, but they were still there somewhat. Since the fix, and especially running in DSR, it looks very nice. And I still get very nice framerates.

 

I ran Cliffs of Dover even before the final official patch, and it ran fairly decently for me - at least playable, but I always build a new rig every 2-3 years and stay somewhat up to date on hardware. It certainly had it's flaws no doubt, but I was already enjoying it even before TF.

 

BOS graphics wise, is beautiful I will certainly give it that., and does not suffer from the same weaknesses that Cliffs had originally, graphics wise.

[6./ZG26_Emil]

Reading some of these posts you'd be forgiven for thinking the light is about to be turned out for flight sims, there's so much glass half empty thinking it's depressing reading.

 

We are about to get more maps for Stalingrad and more planes plus a map for BOM and it's only a few months after the official release. 

 

My suggestion is to use a little imagination whether it be SP or MP and you can have a lot of fun. We do a Dead is Dead campaign in our squad, recording our sorties and kills etc and it's been a lot of fun it takes very little effort. There are 3rd party made mission packs out already and then there are the cool servers which you could go on with a couple of friends (treat them as a coop) or alone like the ones made by Coconut and Jupp.

 

Alternatively we could all just jump off a bridge since life isn't worth living and nothing is fun anymore  

[SharpeXB]

Not sure why this thread is going down this path, but to clarify:

Yes, AA is now working in TF Cliffs. Just enable AA , set it to 1X, and it enables FXAA.

 

Good to know. I'm running it in 4K so I don't need AA now :-D

Somebody sent me a tip on how to get SLI working too so maybe there's hope after all.

 

Back to the topic now...

[voncrapenhauser]

  

 

 

 

10 years from now on my friend! BOS is not broken, it works verry well on moast computers.

The rate of updates and plans for the future makes this a good investment for ww2 simmers :-)

 

~S~

Don't get me wrong, the game works just fine on my Rig and what there is I love.

 

The game itself isn't broken its just not really engaging on a gaming level, there's just not the involvement that other games have at this time.

I fly in the real world and there's nothing wrong with the general FM (with some exceptions).

It's sorely lacking in SP,....Bring back the days of whole campaigns like il2 1946,IE the whole war and new aircraft appearing on a correct timescale.

 

You can go out and buy a game for my ps3 for £30 and have hours, days, weeks, even months of entertainment that is involving and gives you a reason to keep playing.

At 2 and a half weeks of on and off playing BOS SP and occasionally playing online in what is  essentially an aerial death match dose not match anything like that for more money and now were asked to stump up the same again for essentially maps and planes, I already have the game engine.......

 

I am afraid to say that BOS is a Pale imitation of il2 1946, bar the technical improvements.

 

I am always hopeful for improvements, but until then my money stays in my pocket.

 

Incidentally I had Clod on my same rig and after a few teething problems it ran just fine, what there was of that too.

Edited May 28, 2015 by voncrapenhauser

[6./ZG26_Emil]

Don't get me wrong, the game works just fine on my Rig and what there is I love.

 

The game itself isn't broken its just not really engaging on a gaming level, there's just not the involvement that other games have at this time.

I fly in the real world and there's nothing wrong with the general FM (with some exceptions).

It's sorely lacking in SP,....Bring back the days of whole campaigns like il2 1946,IE the whole war and new aircraft appearing on a correct timescale.

 

You can go out and buy a game for my ps3 for £30 and have hours, days, weeks, even months of entertainment that is involving and gives you a reason to keep playing.

At 2 and a half weeks of on and off playing BOS SP and occasionally playing online in what is  essentially an aerial death match dose not match anything like that for more money and now were asked to stump up the same again for essentially maps and planes, I already have the game engine.......

 

I am afraid to say that BOS is a Pale imitation of il2 1946, bar the technical improvements.

 

I am always hopeful for improvements, but until then my money stays in my pocket.

 

Incidentally I had Clod on my same rig and after a few teething problems it ran just fine, what there was of that too.

 

Did you enjoy the campaign that was released with CLOD?

[Dakpilot]

Talk about ...Moving forward....9 out of the 21 posts mention another game, why do all threads end up like this...debating how playable a game released ..how many years ago? was when it first released is helpful how?

 

It was dropped by the company, that is factual history. How about ...moving forward

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[voncrapenhauser]

Did you enjoy the campaign that was released with CLOD?

Yes but was way too short also sadly.

Edited May 28, 2015 by voncrapenhauser

[voncrapenhauser]

Talk about ...Moving forward....9 out of the 21 posts mention another game, why do all threads end up like this...debating how playable a game released ..how many years ago? was when it first released is helpful how?

 

It was dropped by the company, that is factual history. How about ...moving forward

 

Cheers Dakpilot

I only mentioned clod in passing, I agree its history for me now too.

 

I was only comparing IL 1942 in its game structure was superior, This BOS game structure is far from perfect. 

I am not sure why any criticism is met with verement opposition by others.

 

I am not sure if people understand the meaning of the word "Forum".

That is not directed at you Dak, more so at the totally positive nothing the Dev's do is wrong peoples, the moving on point is valid.

 

Only criticism I have atm is the Campaign as I said in previous posts.

As a flight sim, IE just taking off flying and landing it's as good as it will get bar actual flying, the combats good too, just way too little offline.

 

I think we were moving forward, albeit a snails pace in some area's but I am not faulting the game but there is so little game in SP campaign  is all.

Edited May 28, 2015 by voncrapenhauser

[SharpeXB]

Yes but was way too short also sadly.

Agree. That's why I don't think "Chapter" style campaigns are the best idea for flight sims. Because they end. I'm sure most players don't invest in all the time and equipment for one of these sims so they can play a 20 hour long game like a typical shooter game. A sim requires nearly infinite gameplay. That's what a career mode gives you.

I give the BoS Campaign a thumbs up in the regard that it's not a Chapter Campaign.

[voncrapenhauser]

Agree. That's why I don't think "Chapter" style campaigns are the best idea for flight sims. Because they end. I'm sure most players don't invest in all the time and equipment for one of these sims so they can play a 20 hour long game like a typical shooter game. A sim requires nearly infinite gameplay. That's what a career mode gives you.

I give the BoS Campaign a thumbs up in the regard that it's not a Chapter Campaign.

+1 on that The "style" is great, its just way too little atm.

A new game is not the answer though either,just the paid downloadable content would be fine with me, I balk at buying the game engine twice is all.

That's just my opinion though.

I will see what BOM actually delivers first before I part with my money again.

Edited May 28, 2015 by voncrapenhauser

[voncrapenhauser]

Just saw the pictures of the I16, now I'm almost tempted to take a crowbar to my wallet......almost.

[Sokol1]

People continues use the Déjà vu "CloD failure/disaster"... etc. to promote other games. Is no more wise use what this (other) games has to promote them?

[6./ZG26_Emil]

+1 on that The "style" is great, its just way too little atm.

A new game is not the answer though either,just the paid downloadable content would be fine with me, I balk at buying the game engine twice is all.

That's just my opinion though.

I will see what BOM actually delivers first before I part with my money again.

 

Personally I support all sims and have bought a lot of content I will never play especially in the DCS range but also applicable to ROF to a degree. In my opinion the economics are stacked against flight sim devs and their customers have very high if not the highest expectations when it comes down to the product. On top of that we all want different things from a sim which makes it even harder for them to please us all with their limited budget. 

 

It's only my opinion but the only guarantee we have is that without financial support the devs will never be able to give us what we want so I don't see the point of starving them of money but then if people really don't like the sim they shouldn't buy it. For me I can find more that I like in BOS than dislike, if I had a hyperlobby function and co-op mode I would be like a pig in **** but the odds are than it will never happen so I'm going to work around the problem to the best that I can. For the SP guys there is some excellent content out there and the FMB isn't quite as bad as they say but takes some time to dig in to plus there are people out there who are willing to help the FMB noobs like myself.

 

Finally unless you don't like MP I recommend joining a group of like minded people who do the kind of stuff you enjoy whether it be bombers or fighters....in a group you can get any experience you want. Every night we do combat sorties and when we are in the mood for a bit of Jabo we'll generally do that on servers that are a bit quieter and less airquakey.

[dburne]

I give the BoS Campaign a thumbs up in the regard that it's not a Chapter Campaign.

 

But it  is layed out into 4 Chapters...

 

[6./ZG26_Emil]

p.s we never airquake

[GOAT-ACEOFACES]

As long as he doesn't post the shirtless photo of him on a horse that I'm almost certain is out there, it's all good.

ROTFL

A new game is not the answer though either,just the paid downloadable content would be fine with me, I balk at buying the game engine twice is all.

Enh, I don't mind that at all.. That is the way 1C did it with the original IL2 and that worked out well for both the developer and the users..

 

it is either that or pay for DLC.. the dev has to make $ one way or another

[Trident_109]

It's not really inaccurate. If you are turning stuff off, messing with settings and tweaking your computer ust to make a game barely playable it is NOT a working game. BOS works for anyone with the minimum spec machine. You can tweak to get better performance or do overlays in BOS but you don't have to just so you can play the game. People can justly argue about missing content or unlocks. Arguing about the basics of flight and mechanics just doesn't cut it with this game. Clod was a disaster. This game is poorly marketed but completely playable from the technical side of things.

No argument from me that CoD didn't work as hoped. My exception was that you said it didn't work for anyone.

BoS has met that standard quite effectively. I've seen minimal issues that haven't been corrected in BoS. It works. It's truly 'plug and play.'

 

 

It's a shame it didn't work as hoped because I really like the look of  CoD, it's theatre, plane set. The anticipation is only passed by the disappointment it's release was and I'm still disappointed because I look at 'what might have been.' But it did work... for me within my abilities based on my system.

[SharpeXB]

But it  is layed out into 4 Chapters...

 

Yes but read my definition of "chapter style" above.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

No argument from me that CoD didn't work as hoped. My exception was that you said it didn't work for anyone.

BoS has met that standard quite effectively. I've seen minimal issues that haven't been corrected in BoS. It works. It's truly 'plug and play.'

 

 

It's a shame it didn't work as hoped because I really like the look of  CoD, it's theatre, plane set. The anticipation is only passed by the disappointment it's release was and I'm still disappointed because I look at 'what might have been.' But it did work... for me within my abilities based on my system.

Fair enough.

[Livai]

 

 

It's only my opinion but the only guarantee we have is that without financial support the devs will never be able to give us what we want so I don't see the point of starving them of money but then if people really don't like the sim they shouldn't buy it. For me I can find more that I like in BOS than dislike, if I had a hyperlobby function and co-op mode I would be like a pig in **** but the odds are than it will never happen so I'm going to work around the problem to the best that I can. For the SP guys there is some excellent content out there and the FMB isn't quite as bad as they say but takes some time to dig in to plus there are people out there who are willing to help the FMB noobs like myself.

 

Just look back and see that nobody said bad things about the game. It started with the Unlocks and the Multiplayer 32 player count. Why the player count was reduced from 64 to 32 a big secret. And 48 are not the 64 what we had.  Look how much critic was needed to change something. And now how this fit with your words: "without financial support the devs will never be able to give us what we want" and "if people really don't like the sim they shouldn't buy it"? History is History  that teach us not to do the mistake again.

 

It is the truth that hurts.

[6./ZG26_Emil]

Just look back and see that nobody said bad things about the game. It started with the Unlocks and the Multiplayer 32 player count. Why the player count was reduced from 64 to 32 a big secret. And 48 are not the 64 what we had.  Look how much critic was needed to change something. And now how this fit with your words: "without financial support the devs will never be able to give us what we want" and "if people really don't like the sim they shouldn't buy it"? History is History  that teach us not to do the mistake again.

 

It is the truth that hurts.

 

The truth doesn't hurt me at all if WW2 sims go down the toilet I wont be affected one tiny bit other than feeling a bit sad that a bunch of miserable moaners trashed their own hobby. I've got plenty of other hobbies and not enough time to do them. 

 

I'll tell you a thing about history....go read the old UbI forums and go right back to page 50 or so and read the hatred and scorn poured on CLOD while a handful of people attempted to say the same thing I just did. The sim and it's devs finally went under and suddenly CLOD has become that golden goose, that thing that must never be criticized. Maybe back then people should have thought twice before opening their mouths and slagging off something that was still in the early stages of development and just given it a chance to survive? Had they done a preorder for BOM under 1C/MG I would have stumped up and paid for it despite CLOD being unplayable for me but that's the difference between the cup half full/empty people isn't it?

[Felix58]

Re CLoD - loved the look of the game, but it ended there.  How could you even play the CLoD campaign?  One of the most broken aspects was the AI!  Those that persevered with the the SP campaign generally said it was crap!

 

A common complaint leveled against BOS is lack of immersion.  After some time considering this comment I think players mean lack of SP campaign with a storyline/dialogue.  i tend to think if the devs went this way, the argument would be "it is on rails", "it's a grind" etc.  It seems with contemporary gaming players like to be able to do their own thing - design skins, build missions, play their own way - not driven by storyline.  In this area it must be said that BOS is lacking.  Only those dedicated to the cause can figure out how to operate the mission builder and DServer.  I can understand why the devs did not spend time and resources on developing a SP campaign but it would be nice to offer players the tools (that does not require an advanced skillset to operate) to do it themselves.

 

Even with the limitation I mentioned I think their is enough in BOS to be positive about the future.  BOS is far more accessible than DCS for player new to the genre.  Good range of aircraft, ground targets, weather conditions, AI to name a few.  Plus the new maps.  It is all there if the WW2 flight sim community want to embrace the concept.

[6./ZG26_Emil]

Something that is never far from my mind in discussions like this. From the ATAG forum but I would suspect these figures are bang on.

 

[GOAT-ACEOFACES]

Maybe back then people should have thought twice before opening their mouths and slagging off something that was still in the early stages of development and just given it a chance to survive?

+1