KoN_ Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 Flying the 109 mainly is a unplesent experiance for me . Was the game tested on most makes of joysticks . Just a question to the developers .
ShamrockOneFive Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 Which stick do you have? I'm sure they tested more than one but I've never heard them mentioning anything specifically. It took me a bit but I managed to dial in sensitivity settings to my liking. No luck for you?
Original_Uwe Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 I will say that learning to use my Warthog with this game has been...unpleasant. Cant wait for my extension to come.
Jason_Williams Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 The team has many joysticks, but not all in the world. Jason
SharpeXB Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) It works very well with CH Edited April 8, 2015 by SharpeXB 1
71st_AH_Mastiff Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 yep no problems with my CH fighter stick at all...
taffy2jeffmorgan Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 Flying the 109 mainly is a unplesent experiance for me . Was the game tested on most makes of joysticks . Just a question to the developers . Can you be a little more specific, I use a Thrustmaster T 16000, and I found that the 109 can be slow to respond to the elevators even in a shallow dive ! but that was a characteristic of the 109, you just have to be conscious of and manage it.
4thFG_Cap_D_Gentile Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 MS Sidewinder 2 FFB, FW-190 no fun, 109's nervous, He111 pitches up violently even though it is trimmed nose heavy. Russian planes pleasant to fly.
303_Kwiatek Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 True is that German fighter planes in BOS are much more "twichy" or unstable then Russian fighters. It is no metter of stick. All my mates got different sticks and all got the same feeling.
Dakpilot Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 He 111 has a bug with trim, been reported but a couple more decent reports will do no harm Cheers Dakpilot
Primus_71 Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 Oversensitive controller response can be easily addressed using curves and sensitivity settings. So it may not be end of the world, after all. 2
4thFG_Cap_D_Gentile Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 Oversensitive controller response can be easily addressed using curves and sensitivity settings. So it may not be end of the world, after all. LOL
6./ZG26_Emil Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 I'll be ordering an extension soon. The only problem is my stick is on my desk at the moment which causes pain to my shoulder so it being taller would be a bad thing right now.
AvengerSeawolf Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) The team has many joysticks, but not all in the world. Jason There is a problem though with recognizing key mapping in many joystics , as I have noticed with Saitek pros. I have the X-55 and there is a bog trouble on assigning multi key strokes. Again and not as to compare but as an example. War Thunder for instance recognize this HOTAS on the list of installed joystics to the PC , even have their own mapping , but most important one can even key map all buttons of all 3 modes of the stick while ingame. Will you try fixing this issue ? It is very important in order to enjoy an expansive stick and a great game like BoS.. In BoS the game recognizes only one mode and in special programming on keystrokes through the joystick software program then again does not recognize all orders given. no matter if done in macro or else. That's for the X-55 and also in the forum I have seen this happens on other known Saitek HOTAS systems. Otherwise than keymapping I find the rest on response and flying without any problems. Here is my more details report on the issue. http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/15732-bos-bug-issue-x55-hotas/ Edited April 8, 2015 by AvengerSeawolf
KoN_ Posted April 8, 2015 Author Posted April 8, 2015 The reason i ask is , i have two sets of sticks well my other half has one set , i myself have the TM-warthogs and it has been a really difficult to fly the 109 , so the other night i stole my girlfriends CH-produts fighter stick and throttle set them up and i had a nice smooth flight with nice smooth precise inputs.?? i could do basic manovers like the barrel-roll , snap-spins , split-s , diving away agressive with out ant problems , tight turns , pulling up with a stable gun sight picture , there is with out any dought a big difference between the two sets. Went back to my warthogs and had same bad experance , diving away quickly end up going upside down and into a snap spin to the left which then made the 109 counter act the manover , its like the aircraft and joysticks are not commuinating correctly for the 109 . I have put up this post as a question and thank you for answering jason >> i have trolled the forums looking for a decent set up ..so far i have this ... my settings below .......................pitch and roll 40% sensativaty.... 0% zone.... 40% dead edge... yaw 0% noise flitter 0.38 ...not sure what this does or if it even efects the warthogs . please forgive the spelling i was a naughty boy at school . 1
SYN_Mike77 Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 My experience is that with German planes the response is immediate and the plane goes wherever you point it. Rusian planes are a nightmare to fly. I'm pretty sure its the joystick.
GOAT-ACEOFACES Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) True is that German fighter planes in BOS are much more "twichy" or unstable then Russian fighters.Truth is nothing has been provided thus far proving that statement one way or the other.. The FACT is pick any aspect of BoS (FM, DM, color of plane, etc) and you can find a person claiming it is 'wrong' and another person claiming it is 'right'.. Who to believe? Hard to say IMHO. Which probably is the if not one of the main reasons 777/1C implemented rule 18 Edited April 8, 2015 by ACEOFACES 2
6./ZG26_Emil Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 The reason i ask is , i have two sets of sticks well my other half has one set , i myself have the TM-warthogs and it has been a really difficult to fly the 109 , so the other night i stole my girlfriends CH-produts fighter stick and throttle set them up and i had a nice smooth flight with nice smooth precise inputs.?? i could do basic manovers like the barrel-roll , snap-spins , split-s , diving away agressive with out ant problems , tight turns , pulling up with a stable gun sight picture , there is with out any dought a big difference between the two sets. Your girlfriend is in to flight sims? I hate you :D
AbortedMan Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 The reason i ask is , i have two sets of sticks well my other half has one set , i myself have the TM-warthogs and it has been a really difficult to fly the 109 , so the other night i stole my girlfriends CH-produts fighter stick and throttle set them up and i had a nice smooth flight with nice smooth precise inputs.?? i could do basic manovers like the barrel-roll , snap-spins , split-s , diving away agressive with out ant problems , tight turns , pulling up with a stable gun sight picture , there is with out any dought a big difference between the two sets. Went back to my warthogs and had same bad experance , diving away quickly end up going upside down and into a snap spin to the left which then made the 109 counter act the manover , its like the aircraft and joysticks are not commuinating correctly for the 109 . I have put up this post as a question and thank you for answering jason >> i have trolled the forums looking for a decent set up ..so far i have this ... my settings below .......................pitch and roll 40% sensativaty.... 0% zone.... 40% dead edge... yaw 0% noise flitter 0.38 ...not sure what this does or if it even efects the warthogs . please forgive the spelling i was a naughty boy at school . This sounds like your Warthog may have an issue. Might want to Google the TM calibration tool or setup some curves in the TARGET software.
Original_Uwe Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 The reason i ask is , i have two sets of sticks well my other half has one set , i myself have the TM-warthogs and it has been a really difficult to fly the 109 , so the other night i stole my girlfriends CH-produts fighter stick and throttle set them up and i had a nice smooth flight with nice smooth precise inputs.?? i could do basic manovers like the barrel-roll , snap-spins , split-s , diving away agressive with out ant problems , tight turns , pulling up with a stable gun sight picture , there is with out any dought a big difference between the two sets. Went back to my warthogs and had same bad experance , diving away quickly end up going upside down and into a snap spin to the left which then made the 109 counter act the manover , its like the aircraft and joysticks are not commuinating correctly for the 109 . I have put up this post as a question and thank you for answering jason >> i have trolled the forums looking for a decent set up ..so far i have this ... my settings below .......................pitch and roll 40% sensativaty.... 0% zone.... 40% dead edge... yaw 0% noise flitter 0.38 ...not sure what this does or if it even efects the warthogs . please forgive the spelling i was a naughty boy at school . For me the biggets difference going from CH combatstick and throttle to the Warthog is that the warthog is far FAR more precise and much heavier. Having the warthog center mounted helps tremendously, and I have an extension for it on the way that should help even more. Have you tried running with pitch and roll with NO curve? I couldnt do it with the CH stick but with the warthog its possible and makes flying much more precise.
6./ZG26_5tuka Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) Agree most people overdo it with their sensetivity settings. Talking about agressive/combat manouvres this probably is your issue. My advice is to reset all sensetivity settings to 0 and go into a quick mission, test the aircraft and increase it in 5% steps while in flight to check your results. Good joysticks shouldn't need more than 20% if any. I don't use any sensetivity on my Saitek 52 pro. Also agree on checking for calibration erroring. Interesting enought a mate of mine also flying with the Warthog reported some planes like the Fw 190 to be "unflyable" while I could handle it reasonably at it's limits. Edited April 8, 2015 by Stab/JG26_5tuka
KoN_ Posted April 8, 2015 Author Posted April 8, 2015 Thank you all for your posts , i have done most of everthing we all have said here before the post , hence the asking if the sim was tested on TM-warthogs . Your girlfriend is in to flight sims? I hate you :D Yes she flys ROF and FSX. some times my gunner in Cliffs if in stuka . i might invest in this TM extension if it helps . i shall wait for some feed back . see you in the skys
Original_Uwe Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 Well, it works fine on mine flying 109's and since I got the warthog I started to REALLY like the 190.
Strider Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) yep no problems with my CH fighter stick at all... ~S, m8~ Would you mind posting your stick settings in game and CH Controller, if you use it? Actually, anyone using a Fighterstick is invited to share their settings. This should probably be a separate topic. Mine is jerky and sometimes reverses yaw input. Thanks for your time! Strider Edited April 8, 2015 by Strider
6./ZG26_Emil Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 Here's the link to the ad and all the people who've ordered http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/2042-selling-thrustmaster-warthog-extensions/
AvengerSeawolf Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 40% sensativaty.... 0% zone.... 40% dead edge... yaw 0% noise flitter 0.38 ...not sure what this does or if it even efects the warthogs . Seems to me like way too much dead edge there. I do not use dead edge Her e is my curve on Y axis the others are a bit less curvy, with the rudder axis less curvy.
BeastyBaiter Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 Dead edge is your problem, there are very few cases where it should be set to anything but 0%. What it does is create a dead zone on the outer edges of movement. You'd do this if your throttle, for instance, only goes to 95% in game. Throw a 5% dead edge on there and it will reach 100%. However, if you apply 40% dead edge, you will be at 100% throttle when the throttle slider is only at 60%. The dead edge setting you are using is effectively giving your stick double sensitivity on the inner half of movement and the outer half is a dead zone. On a related note, my X-55 works just fine in RoF, BoS and DCS. I do not use the HUD software for programming or axis adjustments, though it is installed and running. 1
Original_Uwe Posted April 9, 2015 Posted April 9, 2015 Here's the link to the ad and all the people who've ordered http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/2042-selling-thrustmaster-warthog-extensions/ Mine aught to be here this week!
KoN_ Posted April 11, 2015 Author Posted April 11, 2015 Ok i have managed to get the 109 to fly stable using the target software by adding curves to the axis on the joysticks in ( target ) and not the game , i can now fly and perform all manovers , just needs a bit of tweaking but i am now happy its a totally different experiance flying. I knew some thing wasnt right . ingame curves are now . 8% 0 0 I run taget at the beinging with curves and use in house key setting for mapped buttons to actions . thank you all for your input i didnt even think about target . 1
6./ZG26_Emil Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 So you made a curve like we do in ROF? but in Target?
Rolling_Thunder Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 Ok i have managed to get the 109 to fly stable using the target software by adding curves to the axis on the joysticks in ( target ) and not the game , i can now fly and perform all manovers , just needs a bit of tweaking but i am now happy its a totally different experiance flying. I knew some thing wasnt right . ingame curves are now . 8% 0 0 I run taget at the beinging with curves and use in house key setting for mapped buttons to actions . thank you all for your input i didnt even think about target . Ok so what are your target curves. Here's me thinking I was a bad pilot and it turns out it was my warthog all the time. I knew I couldn't be that bad
6./ZG26_Emil Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 (edited) The 109 is a PITA to fly with the Warthog. I had an op on my shoulder a few years back and it gets pretty sore after flying the 109 all night. Edited April 12, 2015 by 6./JG5_Emil
KoN_ Posted April 12, 2015 Author Posted April 12, 2015 i cant attach files for some reason . no icon .
Allegra Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 (edited) Works great with X65FDon't talk to me about the X65F. I loved it initially when I got it second hand. Unfortunately, while the Throttle assembly works flawlessly, the JS does not - at least half the time - with 'interesting' consequences. Trying to get any comment / assistance from the manufacturer is like attempting to draw teeth without pain. Cheers Edited April 12, 2015 by Allegra
Primus_71 Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 Don't talk to me about the X65F. I loved it initially when I got it second hand. Unfortunately, while the Throttle assembly works flawlessly, the JS does not - at least half the time - with 'interesting' consequences. Trying to get any comment / assistance from the manufacturer is like attempting to draw teeth without pain. Cheers Buying second hand is always a risk, of course. I owned mine since 2011 to replace my old Cougar. It took some getting used to, and learning the quirks of it, but now I cannot fly without it, especially after Mad Catz released the beta driver a couple of years back which allows easy recalibration (before that, you'd have to unplug and replug the USB connector). The precision level of the stick is incredible. I did ponder about getting the Warthog, but the poor quality of my old Cougar and numerous reports of bricking issues with the Warthog swayed my decision. I had to replace the pots on my Cougar with ones from an old MS sidewinder stick It is amazing TM used so low quality components on a the then USD 300 HOTAS. Anyhow, I love the X65F and will keep it till it's dead
KoN_ Posted April 12, 2015 Author Posted April 12, 2015 (edited) Dead zones lower................. .1 center................. 1 upper ................. 1 responces curves and reverse zoom ...................0 curve ..................2 How do you attach a image here . Edited April 12, 2015 by II./JG77_Con 1
I./JG1_Baron Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 ...Yes she flys ROF and FSX. some times my gunner in Cliffs if in stuka . i might invest in this TM extension if it helps . i shall wait for some feed back . see you in the skys Lucky man
Rolling_Thunder Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 Dead zones lower................. .1 center................. 1 upper ................. 1 responces curves and reverse zoom ...................0 curve ..................2 How do you attach a image here . Thanks man. Ill try those out later when I get some FreeTime. The wife wants to go shopping. Unlike you, my wife has zero interest in my hobbies.
AvengerSeawolf Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 How do you attach a image here . As you see the screen on what you post in the down right corner there is an option " more reply options" Press that and then you will see at the bottom the button for attachements.Select the file , and upload and then press add to post.
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