TG-55Panthercules Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 I've always loved the way the Folgore looks, and I'm glad they'll be adding it even if there were only 12 of them in action in Russia (per Feathered_IV anyway), but what I'd really like to see them add to the game would be this beauty: Anecdotal evidence I've seen so far says it was used on the Russian front, but I haven't found anything definitive about that. But the devs could probably re-use some of the work they did on the tri-motor setup for the Ju-52, and it would really appeal to people who want to fly the Ju-52 and also blow stuff up
Nankeen Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 (edited) Looks Beautiful, like all of the models here. It's nice to here from Phenazepam as well, so Thank's Phenazepam, (it's with your talent I choose to fly this game the most ).The Macchi looks to be a challenging plane to fly , especially with the getting used to the inverted throttle while adjusting manual prop pitches etc, (all good). Look forward to flying this bird aswell. Edited March 28, 2015 by Boomerang
avlSteve Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 She's definitely a looker. Inverted throttle is full blown nightmare as far as I'm concerned. Can't wait to fly it.
StG2_Manfred Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 A very good idea to give the administration of the servers to DED squad. They already deliver high quality entertainment with the DED servers. Thanks for that DED team!
KievBlauster Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 (edited) I'm an Aerospace Engineer and I'm a bit stumped by that one. Possibly an uneven weight distribution or to counter some kind of aerodynamic or torque effect? God knows it kinds goes against everything I know It's calculated so that at cruise speed and continuous power there'll be no net torque on the roll axis, as it is cheaper than adding trims. This annoys me a lot, though, since you need to maintain an elevator or rudder input when you are performing take off, approach or dogfight. Hope this helps clear your doubt. Greetings. Edited March 28, 2015 by KievBlauster
A-E-Hartmann Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 Thanks for news ,Thank you Devs . A question : will the Regia Aeronautica pilots wear Italian flight suits and helmets? 1+
avlSteve Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 (edited) So if you purchase this in BOM, it will be available in BOS. Will it also be available as a stand-alone purchase in BOS without BOM? I'll get it as soon as available either way, just curious. Edited March 28, 2015 by avlSteve 2
senseispcc Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 (edited) I did read somewhere that the Macchi 202 was put first in service around the South front during the preiod of the battle of Stalingrad certainly not Moscow! During this period Macchi 200 same plane but diferent engine. My sources are multiples and as an example Squadron/siganl publications N° 41 page 27; "...All that was avaible was a few Folgores, 12 of wich arrived at Voroshilovgrad, on the river Don in september 1942...." So for the battle of Moscow they where to late. Edited March 28, 2015 by senseispcc 1
LizLemon Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 It's calculated so that at cruise speed and continuous power there'll be no net torque on the roll axis, as it is cheaper than adding trims. This annoys me a lot, though, since you need to maintain an elevator or rudder input when you are performing take off, approach or dogfight. Hope this helps clear your doubt. Greetings. And it is slightly aerodynamically better then having an offset/airfoil vert stab. But I can't think of anyone who did that approach besides macchi, which makes me wonder about the disadvantages. I did read somewhere that the Macchi 202 was put first in service around the South front during the preiod of the battle of Stalingrad certainly not Moscow! During this period Macchi 200 same plane but diferent engine. My sources are multiples and as an example Squadron/siganl publications N° 41 page 27; "...All that was avaible was a few Folgores, 12 of wich arrived at Voroshilovgrad, on the river Don in september 1942...." So for the battle of Moscow they where to late. The 200 was very different then the 202. Same family but very different fuselage and lots of minor detail changes.
e345spd Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 Fantastic choice of aircraft! Really looking forward to BoM, very pleased that il2 will continue to grow Being able use aircraft between BoM and BoS is an excellent decision.
ShamrockOneFive Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 I did read somewhere that the Macchi 202 was put first in service around the South front during the preiod of the battle of Stalingrad certainly not Moscow! During this period Macchi 200 same plane but diferent engine. My sources are multiples and as an example Squadron/siganl publications N° 41 page 27; "...All that was avaible was a few Folgores, 12 of wich arrived at Voroshilovgrad, on the river Don in september 1942...." So for the battle of Moscow they where to late. Yep. If we're going for pure history then you'd get one mission to Stalingrad escorting Ju87s and then that's it. The Premium planes weren't really important for the Moscow battle but they do fit the timeframe and performance levels fairly well.
Jaws2002 Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 (edited) I've always loved the way the Folgore looks, and I'm glad they'll be adding it even if there were only 12 of them in action in Russia (per Feathered_IV anyway), but what I'd really like to see them add to the game would be this beauty: Anecdotal evidence I've seen so far says it was used on the Russian front, but I haven't found anything definitive about that. But the devs could probably re-use some of the work they did on the tri-motor setup for the Ju-52, and it would really appeal to people who want to fly the Ju-52 and also blow stuff up You may want to ask at least about the right version for the Eastern front: The Romanians used few twin engine versions through out the war. 22 of them were present at Stalingrad with the 1st Romanian bomber group. Edited March 29, 2015 by Jaws2002 1
KievBlauster Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 And it is slightly aerodynamically better then having an offset/airfoil vert stab. But I can't think of anyone who did that approach besides macchi, which makes me wonder about the disadvantages. I'd say it was just too "weird" to be applied. Just think about it. If you were designing a WWII fighter and you had three options to counter the torque: Using an asymmetrical airfoil on the vertical stabilizer, making it's wings asymmetrical or adding trim, you'd have to be a little insane to choose the asymmetrical wings. Good thing the Italians were a little insane, isn't it?
sallee Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 What a beautiful horderve for my 109. I think you mean "whore's duvet"?
von_Greiff Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 .....no I guess he means hors d'oeuvre, wich is french and means an appetizer or a starter for a menu..... dang yanks!!! ....all this culture down the drain.... yours v.Greiff
6./ZG26_5tuka Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 You may want to ask at least about the right version for the Eastern front: The Romanians used few twin engine versions through out the war. 22 of them were present at Stalingrad with the 1st Romanian bomber group. But...but the Export version looks like a flying U-boot Never liked the looks of this initially beautyfully designed airplane.... Anyway agree on addign more non german airplanes might be a good idea. Still there's a long list on german "must have" plane's I'd like to see being included as future content as well (sniff Hs 129, Ju 87B, Hs 123). Maybe they could skip all Romanian planes all together to release a Romaia vs Russia scenario. In this case I'd hope the He 112 to become a secondary fighter aircraft
Falco_Peregrinus Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 (edited) Oh... the 202... can't wait!Some info about its designer: Mario Castoldi is regarded as one of the best aeronautical engineers of the pre-war years.He created the fastest plane *ever* in the '30s (it stayed so for a few years), and designed the fastest prop. seaplane in the world; this world record still stands today (M.C. 72).By the way, the opening on the rear cockpit gave the pilot a fantastic 6 o'clock view. I was lucky to watch the plane personally lots of times, and the pilot rear view is amazing. An agile pilot could look right behind the tail both sides. Edited March 29, 2015 by Ioshic
Freycinet Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 .....no I guess he means hors d'oeuvre, wich is french and means an appetizer or a starter for a menu..... dang yanks!!! ....all this culture down the drain.... yours v.Greiff Quite clearly he was joking... - Ah you verdammte Deutscher and your lacking sense of humour... ;-)
Pharoah Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 meh, not a big fan of italian a/c. I'd happily take the P40 though. Is the BoM DLC available for pre-order yet?
unreasonable Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 She's definitely a looker. Inverted throttle is full blown nightmare as far as I'm concerned. Can't wait to fly it. That is where flying French in RoF starts to pay off, that is how they like to do it. Strange that Italian boy racer car design should carry over onto aircraft design. It does look interesting and fun to have a change from the boring old 109s and so on. Perhaps I will have to buy this thing after all....
unreasonable Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 Although I do have a question: is the Russian Military Historical Society financing BoS or BoM?
Original_Uwe Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 Although I do have a question: is the Russian Military Historical Society financing BoS or BoM? That is an excellent question.
Brano Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 Why? To feed conspiracy theories... Romanian FARR was the largest axis satelite airforce.During Barbarossa, in battles over Moldavia/Bessarabia,they were the main force in the air VVS had to deal with.I would rather see romanian mainstay fighter IAR-80 as premium.And I dare to say that MC202,after initial "wohoo" period will be left aside by axis virtual pilots.For historical mission builing,as allready mentioned,it is one mission plane. Separately,Romanian package would be a collectors dream (with He-112,PZL P.24,PZL.37 Los...)
unreasonable Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 Why? The society in question is hardly what westerners would think of as an objective academic body. It is sponsored by President Putin's government and clearly seems to play a propaganda role in addition to research: http://eng.kremlin.ru/news/5117 In practice this has meant supporting Russian foreign policy by making clearly false claims about the Crimea: "We want to remind the global community that Crimea has always been Russian" - obviously before the Russians took it Crime was a Tartar Khanate under Ottoman protection. http://sputniknews.com/voiceofrussia/news/2014_04_05/Russian-Military-Historical-Society-expedition-heads-to-Crimea-8861/ And even more ridiculous claims about the behavior of soviet troops in the late stages of WW2. "A distorted picture of World War II is being intentionally created in the West through efforts of cinematography and the media. We are particularly outraged at an episode in which Soviet soldiers burst into a German hospital, kill the injured and rape the nurses," it said. "It is known that there were just a handful of instances of Red Army soldiers' inhuman treatment of German citizens, and these soldiers were severely punished by the Soviet authorities. They were tried by a military tribunal and executed in front of other soldiers," the society added. http://asia.rbth.com/news/2013/04/19/russian_military_history_society_angered_by_german_wwii_documentary_25211.html The Society's role in the RoF expansion is of no particular concern, since the eastern front WW1 airwar was of relatively little importance in the greater scheme of things, but the WW2 example is obviously different. It is hard enough for a Russian developer to overcome western, and particularly American prejudice and maintain credibility as an impartial sim maker as it is. Being associated with this sort of propaganda machine never ends well: I really hope that there is no such funding and my trust that the developers are able to present a truly objective view to the best of their abilities is not compromised. 1
Zak Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 ... Please keep in mind the forum rules, p.7 in particular. No. Political. Discussion. It's just a warning this time, unreasonable. But next violation will be punished. 1
unreasonable Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 Please keep in mind the forum rules, p.7 in particular. No. Political. Discussion. It's just a warning this time, unreasonable. But next violation will be punished. Understood, but my original question was not about politics, it was purely about project financing, a simple yes/no answer being sought. Obviously 1CGS is under no obligation to answer.
Hoots Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 If you think that funding, for any purpose, is impartial or not tainted with bad practice somewhere then you will be looking for clean funding for a long time. Just as an example, ask the Church of England where their money is invested, the answer would not please many Christians I'm sure. This is not to condemn any organisation, just to point out that wherever you take money from there's a good chance that somewhere in the flow there's malpractice somewhere. Impartiality, well, how that looks often depends on what side of the dilemma you're on, with regards to BoS.... I think the claims that either side are overpowered seem evenly split. It's a game, the chances of it influencing world politics are pretty slim. Mods, bit off topic so apologies, delete or move as you fancy.
Zak Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 Obviously 1CGS is under no obligation to answer. But still there's an official answer I can publish, which is: RMHS in not financing BOS/BOM. 1
unreasonable Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 But still there's an official answer I can publish, which is: RMHS in not financing BOS/BOM. Thank you for clearing that up, glad to hear it.
Dakpilot Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 Thank you for clearing that up, glad to hear it. It has been cleared up multiple times before...but people will not let it go... They were totally clear and upfront about the involvement with Ilya Muromets and have been about BoS If American military historical society helped provide funding for a F4U corsair sim would there be cries of potentially historical inaccuracy's...I doubt it at all.... this is just xenophobic rumour starting conspiracy Cow manure repeated on other forums as fact until repeated enough it is assumed true by some...as proven by those here who still want to believe that somehow Putin is responsible for bias FM or any other perceived shortcomings of the sim Cheers Dakpilot 3
unreasonable Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 It has been cleared up multiple times before...but people will not let it go... They were totally clear and upfront about the involvement with Ilya Muromets and have been about BoS If American military historical society helped provide funding for a F4U corsair sim would there be cries of potentially historical inaccuracy's...I doubt it at all.... this is just xenophobic rumour starting conspiracy Cow manure repeated on other forums as fact until repeated enough it is assumed true by some...as proven by those here who still want to believe that somehow Putin is responsible for bias FM or any other perceived shortcomings of the sim Cheers Dakpilot Actually searching for information on this specific question either in the BoS forum or on Google yielded no specific hits. We all know about IM/RoF: the question was about BoS or specifically BoM. I cannot vouch for other forums as I rarely read any of them. Simple question, simple answer: no need to be so defensive.
Dakpilot Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 Not being defensive, if you had read the amount of times this topic has been brought up, hashed and mis-reported you would be tired of reading about it too Cheers Dakpilot 1
6./ZG26_Emil Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 It has been cleared up multiple times before...but people will not let it go... They were totally clear and upfront about the involvement with Ilya Muromets and have been about BoS If American military historical society helped provide funding for a F4U corsair sim would there be cries of potentially historical inaccuracy's...I doubt it at all.... this is just xenophobic rumour starting conspiracy Cow manure repeated on other forums as fact until repeated enough it is assumed true by some...as proven by those here who still want to believe that somehow Putin is responsible for bias FM or any other perceived shortcomings of the sim Cheers Dakpilot Amen! 1
unreasonable Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 Not being defensive, if you had read the amount of times this topic has been brought up, hashed and mis-reported you would be tired of reading about it too Cheers Dakpilot OK, obviously I have missed all this discussion about BoM financing. Can you point me at it so that I can catch up?
Dakpilot Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 OK, obviously I have missed all this discussion about BoM financing. Can you point me at it so that I can catch up? seriously!? you have your information from the Devs there is no more to say. unless you are trying to suggest I am somehow makings up and require proof?? sounds more like you are after an extended argument/debate...go read some of the steam forum, game rating sites and multiple other other places including here.. if you wish to enlighten yourself, I am certainly not wasting time with finding links for you on a dead subject out of this one thankyou Cheers Dakpilot 3
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