SYN_Mike77 Posted October 10, 2013 Posted October 10, 2013 Lol! That's not how sampling works. Have a look at statistical sampling sizes. For a straight up yes / no decision with a 95% confidence level, a 5% margin of error and a population size of 3,000 the recommended sample size is 341. We're in and around that level now so statistically we're far, far more likely to end up with a similar ratio even if all the remaining founders vote. You have no idea how sampling works. That would be true only if the sample were random, not self selected. It would be much better to take the number voted vs the total number in the pool of possible votes at this point.
Revvin Posted October 10, 2013 Posted October 10, 2013 If you lived in a town of 3000 and they were asked to vote to decide whether you should live or die would you be happy with the result if just 12% of the town voted and out of that 12% two thirds voted yes you should die? All this talk of pie has made me hungry now, I don't have any pie, but insteadI'm having apple crumble and custard so it's not all bad
AndyJWest Posted October 10, 2013 Posted October 10, 2013 I wouldn't be happy if they all voted that I should die... 1
Revvin Posted October 10, 2013 Posted October 10, 2013 What about apple crumble though? Should I be happy with apple crumble and custard or do you think statistically I should have held out for pie?
JtD Posted October 10, 2013 Posted October 10, 2013 You can deny it as much as you want, but there's a 95% chance that the poll stays within 5% of the current values. I'd wager a bet it will be between 30% and 40% "we want exclusiveness" in four weeks time, but I guess there's no one there to take it.
Jochen Posted October 10, 2013 Posted October 10, 2013 This (soon not to be?) exclusive gift, among others, finally brought me on board. To revert the exclusiveness, while understandable due to pressure and fair-play arguments from founders, feels kind of like cheating to me (considering the way it was purposefully marketed as founders exclusive). I hope we'll see some custom skin for the Bf.109 and/or the Bf.109 pilot to make up for this (^.-)
=BKHZ=Furbs Posted October 10, 2013 Posted October 10, 2013 Skins would be just fine, can i have a red nosed 109F4? pretty please?
ImPeRaToR Posted October 10, 2013 Posted October 10, 2013 Skins would be just fine, can i have a red nosed 109F4? pretty please? I will shoot any plane with red markings if I fly German planes.
Jochen Posted October 10, 2013 Posted October 10, 2013 (edited) Camo white would be nice, or a Hartmann theme ... I think the "Founder's choice" Bf.109 skin poll was already mentioned as coming up shortly, but it would be nice to have it a founder's exclusive and also with an exclusive pilot skin. Edited October 10, 2013 by Jochen
Rivet Posted October 10, 2013 Posted October 10, 2013 What about apple crumble though? Should I be happy with apple crumble and custard or do you think statistically I should have held out for pie? Well it's a tough decision, but personally I'd most likely go for the apple crumble & custard .............................................. assuming that having both is statistically out of the question
ImPeRaToR Posted October 10, 2013 Posted October 10, 2013 (edited) Camo white would be nice, or a Hartmann theme ... I think the "Founder's choice" Bf.109 skin poll was already mentioned as coming up shortly, but it would be nice to have it a founder's exclusive and also with an exclusive pilot skin. Maybe as an exclusive skin for the 109G-14 Edited October 10, 2013 by ImPeRaToR
JAGER_HAIBOCK Posted October 11, 2013 Posted October 11, 2013 What news will come on Friday? Will be more photos screen saver?? No firm date on the release? Can be day December 21, 2013 only ask to be more objective ....
Ralith Posted October 11, 2013 Posted October 11, 2013 (edited) Lol! That's not how sampling works. You have no idea how sampling works. That would be true only if the sample were random, not self selected. It would be much better to take the number voted vs the total number in the pool of possible votes at this point. Funny that you should call people out on poor statistics after claiming in the very same thread that if 12 people state that they feel one way, the thousands of remaining people must feel the other way... Edited October 11, 2013 by Ralith
FlatSpinMan Posted October 11, 2013 Posted October 11, 2013 Flaming over statistical analysis of a forum poll concerning the distribution of a gift in a game will not be accepted! Because you need to get lives! Come on guys - I want to play the thing too, but this is just ridiculous. It's a lovely day, get outside and enjoy life. Soon it'll be released and we'll all be strapped to our PCs for the next year or so.
BMA_West Posted October 11, 2013 Posted October 11, 2013 Really guys, did you reconsider only for one single sec how this reads from the outside in? How the devs must feel while you throw them back a git that is not even unwrapped for lack of trying it out. The while the gift itself is only like - 10 % yours, the other 90% belonging to the other founders with more sense that wont vote at all or just ignore all together what is happening in here. Or guys like Messer, opinionated for a 100 but not even a founder? And what about occasional ppl logging in to get some fresh news cuts while reading up on this pipe dreams? Every indication derived from ROF weapon mods is clear on that, the downside is drag, energy loss, lower stall speed restricting/destabilising the FM like so many already pointed out. Also you sure wont make me feel guilty in ever using these pods, of course I'll only use them on rare occasions like when I feel like deserving a trashing :O) And like FlatSpin points out, be more outgoing guys, go for a night on the town with your lady and round it off with a good lay: does wonders for the mind sett. 6
Mac_Messer Posted October 11, 2013 Posted October 11, 2013 Or guys like Messer, opinionated for a 100 but not even a founder? Yes? What is your problem with me?
BMA_West Posted October 11, 2013 Posted October 11, 2013 Yes? What is your problem with me? Catch on Mac, will you. You want your say about something that is not even yours to start with
Mac_Messer Posted October 11, 2013 Posted October 11, 2013 Why do you think I shouldn`t have a say? This is a discussion thread. I didn`t see it being directed only towards the founders. I figured that if it was, it would have been posted in a Founders Group forum section. My content here is opinion and opinion only. My critique of the founder gift idea has been constructive throughout. Some of the founders shared my pov. What do you want more? Or do you want me not to speak on the matter at all? Why does it even matter?
BMA_West Posted October 11, 2013 Posted October 11, 2013 (edited) Why does it even matter? Finaly some sense! Didn't know you had it in you man, sorry Now let us all stop beating this dead horse Edited October 11, 2013 by West
Revvin Posted October 11, 2013 Posted October 11, 2013 I'm not too bothered about custom skins, it's not really something I'd use and can be easily replicated by someone so I personally don't find a lot of value in them
--loner--Dovla Posted October 11, 2013 Posted October 11, 2013 I don`t want gunpods I want access to Dovlas drug stash, I think he`s been on the Viagra. Sorry I wasn't around and in the meanwhile I emptied my stash, I ll think about others next time (when I get sick of it ) I am confused, is this role-playing forum ? Sorry for out of character talk I ll take a role of a sex obsessed Russian pilot (Vladimir) who during an air duel (aka dogfight) while looking at Luftwaffe pilot (Hans) face realizes that he is gay Vladimir wants to have nice exclusive things on his plane so he can impress other pilots (man) 3
DD_Arthur Posted October 11, 2013 Posted October 11, 2013 Ok, now im completely lost. Me too but you've got to admit; you'll make a point of reading Dovla's posts from now on.
Ala13_Kokakolo Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 I am already a Founder. I bouth my golden label. I am really happy. I believe this is going to be a great game. I sitll do not like the unlock sistem. Stil do not want the gifts if they involve plane features. (I am happy with skins...). I am afraid at some point it may be the case I will pester de developers about customize ammo belts, realistic temperature behaviour, mixture managemente, ammo damage... I will discuss with other customers and they will hate me for that... I hope this is the beginning of a long friendship!!!
71st_AH_Mastiff Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 I thought you guys were gamers not political Politian's looking at voter number +-3%
Caudron431 Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 (edited) So far, majority of great people among the founders. I know it is just for a sim but still I'm impressed by the class, the generosity, by the sense of fairness and of brotherhood these guys show. I preordered the game eventually (despite my opposition to mods exclusivity), did it to be on their side, to vote for what i think is the best interest for both the sim and the community. Just my point of view. Not writing this as a way to make other feel guilty about anything, after all one cannot blame people just because they are normal guys. Now question: anyone knows how to disable the Gold logo? Edited October 12, 2013 by RegRag1977
Icewolf Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 an exculisive pilot skin for founders or the opportunity to have our own personnel pilot skin would be a nice touch
Rjel Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 Not writing this as a way to make other feel guilty about anything, after all one cannot blame people just because they are normal guys. Now question: anyone knows how to disable the Gold logo? What a load of crap. People who preordered the sim were GIVEN a gift by the developers. They did NOTHING wrong. They didn't even ask for it. If they chose to see it as a simple gift, then it doesn't make them greedy. Some of you really need to climb off your soapbox now, you've ragged on the subject enough that it has been put to a poll. What else do you want? 3
Jochen Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 (edited) The "gift" in question was used as a sales driver ... pre-order now, and you'll get ... Maybe we should make all animals equal and also give everyone access to the IL-2 rear gun mod from the start, the Bf.109 founders skin, etc. Agree? Edited October 12, 2013 by Jochen 1
BFsSmurfy Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 Dovla keep posting man, I love your style!!! 2
Spitfire23 Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 Can't wait for the early access. So excited about this game!
Caudron431 Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 What a load of crap. People who preordered the sim were GIVEN a gift by the developers. They did NOTHING wrong. They didn't even ask for it. If they chose to see it as a simple gift, then it doesn't make them greedy. Some of you really need to climb off your soapbox now, you've ragged on the subject enough that it has been put to a poll. What else do you want? Hi Rjel, What? Where the hell did you read all the things you are talking about, sir? Anyway... Sorry to see you upset by my post. It was not intended to make you feel bad! I'm really surprised and disapointed to read that you so aggressively consider my opinion a "load of crap". Thank you for the time you took to read me though, no hard feelings.
Bearcat Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 an exculisive pilot skin for founders or the opportunity to have our own personnel pilot skin would be a nice touch That would be a great touch IMO. The "gift" in question was used as a sales driver ... pre-order now, and you'll get ... Maybe we should make all animals equal and also give everyone access to the IL-2 rear gun mod from the start, the Bf.109 founders skin, etc. Agree? I don't think so.. the gun pods was an after thought. Also some of you need to calm down. Really.
ST_ami7b5 Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 (edited) Soon... And welcome to the forum! Edited October 13, 2013 by ST_ami7b5
Cybermat47 Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 Sorry I wasn't around and in the meanwhile I emptied my stash, I ll think about others next time (when I get sick of it ) I am confused, is this role-playing forum ? Sorry for out of character talk I ll take a role of a sex obsessed Russian pilot (Vladimir) who during an air duel (aka dogfight) while looking at Luftwaffe pilot (Hans) face realizes that he is gay Vladimir wants to have nice exclusive things on his plane so he can impress other pilots (man) Weird, but also amusing. Where is ma beta!!!??? Soon. And WELCOME!
Jochen Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 (edited) Also some of you need to calm down. Really. Throw us another bone, or better yet ... open the playfield. Edited October 13, 2013 by Jochen
--loner--Dovla Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 now seriously what about pilot underwear ? will it be included or we ll have to unlock Out of character : click on Show personnaly I d throw away those guns away in exchange for silk underwear, just take a look at this nice "remove before flight" model I guess you all know that us pilots had silk underwear and scarf ( supposedly so they dont tear skin on neck to blood cause of constant head turning while looking around) hey, not only US had gay pilots Out of character/topic : I am curious how underwar is modeled in sim, for example, if pilot has non silk underwear (or god forbid dirty one) he would probably be constantly changing his sitting position and/or scratching, this can be simulated with moving camera position, or making only one hand available for plane controls, for example when scratching is triggered pilot could only use one hand for plane control because other hand is occupied who knows where. I am sure not everybody will agree with me that this should be simulated, but no one can argue that underwear does not or can not affect the outcome of battle. Just think about it for a second, there are thousands of underwear scenarios, you had a bad meal, alarm was raised, your back valve had a leak while entering cockpit, but you manage and come back alive, than after just as you wanted to get a new pair alarm again, base under attack, so now we have non clean problem with scratching and so on I guess I should have posted this in suggestions or something
DD_bongodriver Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 As far as I know the sales model is different to ROF, so there will be no fashion boutique for silky undies and scarfes.
--loner--Dovla Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 (edited) Dovla keep posting man, I love your style!!! Thank you for you continuous support of my development and of my efforts to hijack this thread against all odds. Dont forget if you want me to be taken seriously I need respectable reputaion number. when that number goes high enough than everything I say is automatically truth and correct how things are now I must hide in spoiler area not to catch attention of forum repression forces and their volunteers who are far more dangerous back on topic as we all know there are different people in this world (doh) and different things make different people happy ( I hope devs know this) ok, I ll keep it short cause I am hhungry in case you want to read full elaboration click spoiler button nothing here your fun has been just taken from you so short version : as diff things make diff people happy I propose that all players have some check box in their profile which says 'I want stuff to be taken away from me' the effect of that option would be this: when there are some free giveaways in game something will be taken away from you instad, like a plane you unlocked or alike this way while spoiled others enjoy their gifts you get more miserable and miserable over time until finally your account is disabled and you have to buy again did I overdo ? Edited October 13, 2013 by Dovla 3
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