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Dear Plots,

 

The long-awaited autumn has come to Moscow bringing nasty, windy weather, cold rains and…some serious news that you've been waiting for.

 

Thanks to the enthusiasm and support that you have shared during the pre-order program, our IL2:BOS project has grown and matured greatly. At this time we would like to express special appreciation to the Founders, those of you who have given us a hand when we truly needed it. The pre-order program as described on the official site will continue on in October until the autumn early access period begins. The exact date will be announced soon. With the beginning of the early access phase the early access pre-order program will shut down. After that we’ll publish the retail price for Standard and Premium editions of IL2:BOS as well as further details about the product.

 

Until then you’re welcome to continue pre-ordering the game and receive access to all guaranteed bonuses and other Founder privileges. We've prepared a special gift for everyone who will have purchased a pre-order before it expires. The gift is the R7 weapon modification for Bf.109F-4 - 2х20mm MG151/20 gun pods that you’ll obtain in the game when it’s released. Note that this mod is unique and will only be available by preordering the game and joining the IL2BOS Founders.

 

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MG 151/20 gondolas for the F-4 as a unique mod exclusively for those who have preordered? That's a pretty significant bonus. It'll definately motivate some people I think, but I wonder if it will cause some consternation among those that buy the game at release?

 

Anyway, great news. It's not far away now. I can hardly wait.

Edited by Finkeren

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Thank you for the info and the gift...I guess the biggest question for most of us by now is "when?". Can you give any clues - even vague hints would be appreciated if the exact date is not availalbe. :)

 

Sorry for the following nitpicking, but it might be easiest if you followed official designations as close as possible, to avoid future confusion, so I'll post it. It's been explained to me that the proper designation for the weapons mod would be the "R VII for the Bf 109F-4/R1", designating Rüstsatz VII (wing guns) on a Bf 109F-4 with the Rüstzustand 1 (wiring in the wing to use gun pods). A plain Bf 109F-4 (the majority produced) would not be able to use the pods, because it lacks the wiring in the wings, same as the /R2 and /R3 Rüstzustände, which were recon models. The Rüstsätze R I, R II and R IV would be fighter bombers, and the R III would carry a drop tank. These were possible with at least the plain Bf 109F-4 and the /R1 Rüstzustand. With your current designations, you cannot differentiate between a recon aircraft and a bomber, and in the future that might become annoying.

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It might seem to go a bit overboard, but it's only for the F-4. All players will still have the extra 20mm guns for the G-2.

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I don't really think the impact of the gunpods will be huge, given that later models carry them as well and loadouts can be restricted online. Maybe the chip in the 15 mm gunpods for everyone, which would further lessen the impact. It's hardly a big deal, just a nice gesture. I don't think I even used gunpods with the 109's in Il-2:1946 within the last 5 years online. They just make you a target.

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Good news for those you'll get early "golden" access to it soon ... I'll keep on waiting for my "silver" one though ... :coffee:  :good:

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Good news. Guess friday might be the BIG update day then:)

Regarding the gunpods: I also dont think they will have major impact. When looking at how the weaponupgrades in ROF are modeled its most likely that they will be modeled just as accurate in BOS. That means with the added firepower also comes the added weight and drag.

 

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While it may be true that the gun pods won't make a huge difference, I still find it to be problematic to restrict these kinds of mods to pre-orderers.

 

I'm fine with unique skins and I'm fine with having mods already unlocked for pre-ordering. But to deprive people who discover/buy this game only after the pre-order phase of the chance to ever fly an F-4 with 20mm gun pods feels wrong to me.

 

I appreciate the gesture but personally I'd prefer to have all aircraft mods to be unlockable for everyone.

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Yeah, to Friday not more long and maybe would be a very Special Friday with may surprises?

Many thanks for the gift, every weapon-mod is useful.

 

:ph34r:  ?How about a invisible mod for multiplayer for Ninja surprise attacks?   :ph34r: 
 

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It's understandable that the devs need to market goodies to get in more pre-orders but I'm not a fan of restricting kit to a core group of early buyers - even if that kit might not be used that much in practice. Everybody should be playing the same game at the end of the day. Maybe something like a 10% discount for pre-order buyers on a future plane might be an option - gives a little something back but keeps everybody level ultimately.

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:ph34r:  ?How about a invisible mod for multiplayer for Ninja surprise attacks?   :ph34r: 

 

Yeah, great idea.

 

I bet more people will fly the LaGG-3 too, if it has a cloaking device.

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While it may be true that the gun pods won't make a huge difference, I still find it to be problematic to restrict these kinds of mods to pre-orderers.

 

I'm fine with unique skins and I'm fine with having mods already unlocked for pre-ordering. But to deprive people who discover/buy this game only after the pre-order phase of the chance to ever fly an F-4 with 20mm gun pods feels wrong to me.

 

I appreciate the gesture but personally I'd prefer to have all aircraft mods to be unlockable for everyone.

 

gunpods are not somthing that only pre-buyers can have and guys who buy game later can not have in game, everybody can have them diferance is prebuyers dont have to unlock it, later buyers will get the 20mm gunpods by unlocking them in game :)

 

good idea Tektolnes, i would also apritiate more somthing like discount on next purchues then skins or weapon unlocks as gifts

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they say no unlocks will be able to buy, only to earn/unlock by playing the game, skins are only for pre-buyers and can not be get any other way, weapon gifts can all get unlocked in game not buy like in RoF

 

if they limit some wepon mods only to pre-orders i think they would shot them self in foot, after all they were saying till now :)

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gunpods are not somthing that only pre-buyers can have and guys who buy game later can not have in game, everybody can have them diferance is prebuyers dont have to unlock it, later buyers will get the 20mm gunpods by unlocking them in game :)

No, those particular gun pods can't be obtained by playing unless I completely misunderstood what Zak wrote:

 

[...] The gift is the R7 weapon modification for Bf.109F-4 - 2х20mm MG151/20 gun pods that you’ll obtain in the game when it’s released. Note that this mod is unique and will only be available by preordering the game and joining the IL2BOS Founders.
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i hope its some kined of mistake, because thats just silly and i will not suport that kined of thing for sure

 

late comers have 15mm gunpods , but lucky me who saw this game sone enough have 20mm witch they can not have ever , no no no way ill go for that, this is not somthing that should be suported in any games, ill rather give my preorder to someone if thats the case

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I strongly disagree with this decision. Every player must have access to the same things, as long as they can afford it.

 

If anything a reward that does not have direct impact on the gameplay is more convenient.

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I think you've read it correctly, guys. That's how I took it. Remember, they're supposed to be a gift for your willingness to support the game at an early stage. Others couldn't or didn't, so they don't get the same gift. There'll be other gunpods available, and, tbh, I rarely used gunpods in a Friedrich anyway due to drag and maneuverability penalties, so it's not as if it is a straight out game breaker.

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I don't see what the big fuss is. Gunpods neuter the 109's performance. 20mm gunpods, shoot down an Il-2 slightly easier than the guy with the 15mm gunpods - maybe a little quicker. Both will still be anemic fighters, so once you get engaged it's game over for either gunpod equipped 109F4.

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drag and maneuverability penalties, so it's not as if it is a straight out game breaker.

Yup, this is why 20mm gunpods have both advantages and disadvantages.

BTW the similar weapon mod that will be available in the game by unlocking is R1 (15mm).

Anyway what I want you to pay attention to is that it's a gift for you, a symbol of sincere gratitude for your support. It's surprising to see that you speak as if you want to refuse it.

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I really want to try and gunpods and appreciate their advantages and disadvantages in combat. This is what makes the  air combat simulator very special : recreate the real battles .

 

Thanks !

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Gunpods should be a huge handicap if you meet another fighter, they are only reaaly useful against bombers. I got shot down every time I took them online in il2, I would not take them unless I had escort fighters.

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giving unique skins that only founders can have is ok , no advantage or disadvantage in this, but having some kined of weapon that only founders can have i didnt expect from this game, usealy in simulations everybody has same equipment, and thats whats good, with some kined of only founders weapons thats not the case (no mather how good or bad weapon one thinks it is, or what weapon it is), even with unlock system player could unlock everything in game with playing it, nothing was limited, i was convinced this will be the case with any weapon gift we get.

 

maybe this is trend in todays gaming industry, but i avoid buying games with this kined of stuff so i dont buy them, i tought we will not have same thing in this game, untill now weapon gifts were also unlockable if you didnt get them with pre-order so why make this gunpod differant, limited why could not be just 15mm gun pod like you can unlock for that Bf-109F4 by playing game.

 

i have old look at it maybe, but i dont like this type of gifts

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If it was truly a weapon that could completely dominate, then I would have a problem, but it's not gonna be, and besides: This weapon will be available to everyone on a fairly similar aircraft.

 

I say it's perfectly fine, and I very much appreciate the gift.

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I understand the fairness argument, and I think its a nice attitude but I really don't think this needs to be made a big deal of.

See it in the light in which it was intended - we gave them something, so they give us something.

 

And there's always the option of not using them.

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Not to mention it really doesn't give anyone an upper hand. It detracts performance, and you won't be flying 109 vs 109 so there isn't any advantage to it. You might be able to shoot down an Il2 quicker, but that's if you make it to finding an Il-2. It's also just one mod for one plane. Not a whole slew of them.

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Anyway what I want you to pay attention to is that it's a gift for you, a symbol of sincere gratitude for your support. It's surprising to see that you speak as if you want to refuse it.

 

Hi Zak, as a ground digger i for sure appreciate additional 20mm gunpods. At the current state of the game all gifts are kind of virtual unless we can see them ingame and work with them and enjoy the envy of other players.. :dance:

 

Best, Allons!

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Anyway what I want you to pay attention to is that it's a gift for you, a symbol of sincere gratitude for your support. It's surprising to see that you speak as if you want to refuse it.

Fully agree with your message, I don't understand why others want to refuse it? Maybe they remember IL2-1946 where the 20mm gunpods where better with more advantage than the build in for example inside a FW-190 and have now fear that it would be a cheat again.

 

I like Developers that spend their own time to made a special gift for us to show how gratitude they are that we still support them and that we still trust them that this game would be a reborn of the IL2-Series that we can enjoy long years and not a titanic like CloD.

 

Once again---> Many Thanks for the gift

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Don't really see the issue with having them be unlockable at some point through SP play or whatever. It's just that it appears they'll be completely unobtainable for those that don't preorder.

 

It'll still be a nice gesture for founders, and I don't think anyone will feel slighted by it not being a complete exclusive.

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BTW the similar weapon mod that will be available in the game by unlocking is R1 (15mm).

What you call "R1" is the same thing as the 20mm thing, just with different barrels and ammo. It is the "R VII for the Bf 109F-4/R1". There's no difference in designation. Also see my post #5.

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The "outpouring" of angst over a support reward is mind-boggling.

 

Thanks for the reward. I'll probably never use it but, as with the IL2 rear gunner, the gesture is appreciated.

 

Hood

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Fully agree with your message, I don't understand why others want to refuse it? Maybe they remember IL2-1946 where the 20mm gunpods where better with more advantage than the build in for example inside a FW-190 and have now fear that it would be a cheat again.

 

It's not that people are ungrateful or want to refuse a gift - there's just a bit of concern about locking out a group of people from ever being able to use a particular bit of kit. Doesn't really fit in with a sim type game in my opinion and it might cause comment down the line when everybody else arrives to the game. We all get it's not a game-changer or anything but, again in my opinion, everybody should have access to or ultimately unlock access to the same kit.

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It might even be a disadvantage if modelled correctly. I have an interview with Gunther Rall (if memory serves me) where he states that he always flew without them because they had a tendency to jam after high G manoeuvres that broke a chain inside the gondolas. After that they're only drag and unnecessary weight :)

 

EDIT: Why can't I access the advanced editing functions anymore?!

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being an andvantage or a disadvanrage isn't really the question.

I must say I have a little problem with this gift.

 

I see this game first as an historical combat flying simulation, that we can use to recreate historical combat... or at least situations close to historical combat.

If this gunpod was used with the Bf.109F4 in historical situation, then it's a problem if some players can't use it because they're not founders (if this gunpod was never used in historical combat, then just forget my whole post...)

As for myself, being a founder (or more, like by gifting others with premium editions) means to participate (just a little bit more) to built this historical combat flight simulation I'm dreaming to play with... it's a reward by itself. I agree that gifting a bit more the founders is a nice gesture, but IMHO, it shouldn't be to the detriment of other players or to the historicity.

Of course, it's quite an anedotical weapon, so it's not a deal breaker if it was historically used and not usable by some players.... but it would be then a little step away from an historical simulation.

 

So many thanks for the nice attention, but please, don't exclude non-founders to possible historical combat situations.

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