Pre-order and early access - discussion

[Jaws2002]

Thank you!

 

Looking forward to the beta.

 

This pods are great for a gift. They are something that you can use and gives you extra firepower, but it won't make anyone dominate the battlefield. Plus,anyone can just get the 15mm or the same pods in the G2.

 

Now, had they gave us the mighty IAR-81c, that would make us Gods of the battlefield, and the screaming/terror of the rest of the mortals would break the time/space continuum and the univers would colapse into itself.

Edited October 1, 2013 by Jaws2002

[=LD=Scronce]

I strongly disagree with this decision. Every player must have access to the same things, as long as they can afford it.

 

If anything a reward that does not have direct impact on the gameplay is more convenient.

 

I'll just copy heths here, agree with him.

 

Even though I'd never take them. 1 20mm is all I need

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

i hope its some kined of mistake, because thats just silly and i will not suport that kined of thing for sure

 

late comers have 15mm gunpods , but lucky me who saw this game sone enough have 20mm witch they can not have ever , no no no way ill go for that, this is not somthing that should be suported in any games, ill rather give my preorder to someone if thats the case

 

Sorry fella, but your just being a bit silly.

 

If the founders were getting a uber plane of there own then i would agree with you a certain amount(i still wouldnt  return the sim, that is a wild over reaction) but this is a certain weapon mod, that to be honest not really any advantage, i wouldn't use it online, not a chance, to me online its a disadvantage, but offline it will be fun to use, and i think its a fine thank you from the devs.

 

Cheers.

[HammerCed]

Thanks for the gift and I am sure we all understand your intention and we all thank you for taking care of your founders.

 

Nevertheless, I must confess I share the arguments and thoughts of those who think that this way of gifting founders might not be the appropriate one.

 

Having things unlocked compared to non-founders seem ok to me, but I do not see the point of reserving some mods only to founders and this, in my opinion, has nothing to do with is this an advantage or disadvantage..

 

In the end (disadvantage or not for the special mod) it is like creating two categories of players… but once we will be playing the game and especially in coop (e.g.) they will be no more founder or not founder, we will just be simers… and let all of them have the possibility of having exactly the same things (by unlocking it or purchasing it)...

 

Yes we, founders, are different as we do invest in the game at an early stage and that is what makes us a bit special compared to those who are waiting and see….

 

But….., what we did by purchasing the pre-order is to financially support the team…

 

Yes we did it because we trust in the dev team, we trust in its work and we trust that this sim will be a great sim… But in the end, what we did is to invest and partially finance the development of this game!

 

So if you do want to recognize your founders for what they really are, just consider them as investors that could be thanked by a return on their investment…

 

The best way to give your founders their return on investment and to thank them is to offer them special discounts when will come the time to pay for new planes or maps….

[=RvE=Windmills]

Sorry fella, but your just being a bit silly.

 

If the founders were getting a uber plane of there own then i would agree with you a certain amount(i still wouldnt  return the sim, that is a wild over reaction) but this is a certain weapon mod, that to be honest not really any advantage, i wouldn't use it online, not a chance, to me online its a disadvantage, but offline it will be fun to use, and i think its a fine thank you from the devs.

 

Cheers.

 

It's not a huge issue, it's just that there's no real reason to completely restrict it like that.

 

Would anyone here actually think it's a problem if it was an unlockable for everyone, and founders just unlocked it right away?

 

Restricting content should only be done for stuff like skins and other cosmetic items. Weapons like this restrict gameplay options, which is a negative thing.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Sorry, but I for one do not understand this whinery going on about a pair of gunpods?! C'mon, you are given a GIFT because you became a Founder. The pre-order and other stuff has been around for long enough so people could have saved up some money for it. The price of Premium for me was less than ONE night out in the bar with friends or a family dinner out. Just matter on how you spend your money, if a dinner or an evening in the bar is not expensive at all but some 60€ of a game is...

 

 Really, cut the slack  I appreciate the gesture and thank the devs for the pods even I might not even use them at all except for testing purposes. They sure give more firepower but also affect your roll rate, or more the entering a roll, and speed + climb. So thank you devs for the gift, I appreciate it.

[AX2]

I prefer two weapons and not a Skin.

 

Gunds pods are perfect for Boom and Zoom.  

[CJMBC]

Thanks for the extra gift! Wasn't expecting it, I made my pre order today after following the game for a while, and left it to what I thought was the cut-off to make my decision! But am glad that it's extended so that more people can get in and help the team out early on!

 

Cheers,

 

CJ

[A-E-Hartmann]

A big thank you for this wonderful gift.

Dev to thank you for their work.

[W_Braun]

Pods or no pods. My Friedrich will never have those anyway. Might work out to get more pre-orders in. I have faith in the community pre-order dudes and their input during early access alpha's, beta and whatnot..

 

I pay when I get access to the goods. Worked out for ROF so it should work out here. Unless they need only one more dime to get it finished. Then I shall send them a nugget from my private goldmine.

[BFsSmurfy]

Not a good move for me, I support 99% of what the devs do, but weapons others can`t have is just a way to create division in the ranks which so far has been avoided. I`m with Hammerhead on this, a better way to reward early purchasers would be a small discount on their next purchase, I personally feel getting the game early is a big enough reward.

[Tektolnes]

S!

 

Sorry, but I for one do not understand this whinery going on about a pair of gunpods?! C'mon, you are given a GIFT because you became a Founder. The pre-order and other stuff has been around for long enough so people could have saved up some money for it. The price of Premium for me was less than ONE night out in the bar with friends or a family dinner out.

Calling it "whinery" is well wide of the mark. Virtually nobody has been whining. Also the cost of the game is totally irrelevant. Not sure why you brought that up. The only issue being debated is how some people do not particularly like the idea of locking out people from a piece of kit forever. To some of us that doesn't sit well with a sim type game. It's nothing to do with the item itself but rather the general philosophy of shutting some users out permanently from something.

[BFsSmurfy]

^^^^

Spot on

[yaky109]

I just pre-ordered at

1 Oct 2013 20:48:33 BST

 

Very much hoping I am ahead of any deadlines for extra planes and gear.

 

All the best chaps.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Ok, whinery was a bit wide, but was quite irritating tone how people ride the high horse of morality about being shut out from something. Everybody had the chance to be a Founder as this project has been going on for quite some time and it was announced early enough there would be early access and all. Gift is a gift, not questioning it. The devs did their decision and sure pondered it's pros and cons. At least the devs had the spine to make a decision and stick to it unlike in another game I've played and was a Founder too where devs eat their words faster than they can poop out more crap

 

 I understand the feeling of being "locked out" but everybody had the chance to affect this by getting their Founder in good time. Can't blame lack of information in this title, there has been enough of it and time to make decisions. If you are a Founder I believe that having something others don't is not bad. After all you contributed before and after beta, getting a small reward of it. Can't be that bad and item in question is not a game killer either.

 

 Sorry if being a bit rough, not my intention.

[VSG1_Widowmaker0782]

Hello and thanks




Hi guys,


first of all i want to say hello to everyone. I am a big fan of flightsims since years and active member of the VSG1 german squad.

At first I want to say thanks to the DEVs for creating this dream of a sim that we all have been waiting for so long time now.

Sadly my current employmentsituation does not allow me to preorder the game;( But as soon as my private horizon brightens up I will be in.


Cheers

[dkoor]

What if you find two lesser Messers with only nose cannons to escort your mean dog F4 with gondollas around?

You'd surely dominate the map then.

[7./SchG2_v*Athlon]

Zak   a big thank you for this wonderful gift   

Edited October 1, 2013 by SirAthlon

[JtD]

...but everybody had the chance to affect this by getting their Founder in good time...

Il-2 has been around for 12 years by now. There are people playing who weren't even born when it was at beta stage. I don't think anyone is having problems with folks frequenting the forum and deciding against it now, but the hopefully hundreds of thousands of players buying the game some time (maybe 12 years) after official release can never have the 20mm gondolas on their F-4.

 

Might have been / be better to give the 109 a unique skin or some graphic speciality as well.

[leitmotiv]

Like Rama says in his post if its historical piece of equipment for Bf-109F4 it should not be limited to small amount of players that preordered in some short period of time when game was still in making, this should be avoided in simulation games. ( on other hand if its not historical equipment, what i dont think is the case, for Bf-109F4 to have it, what is it doing in WW2 sim-game at first place)

Just imagine historical mission where this weapon has to be used on 10xBf-109F4 and only 4 of your frends pre-ordered game and can have this weapon, others can not even unlock it in game by playing some single player campaign like its the case for other weapon equipment.

Edited October 1, 2013 by Yaklover

[Rama]

 Ok, whinery was a bit wide, but was quite irritating tone how people ride the high horse of morality about being shut out from something. Everybody had the chance to be a Founder as this project has been going on for quite some time and it was announced early enough there would be early access and all. Gift is a gift, not questioning it. The devs did their decision and sure pondered it's pros and cons..../...

 

 I understand the feeling of being "locked out" but everybody had the chance to affect this by getting their Founder in good time. Can't blame lack of information in this title, there has been enough of it and time to make decisions. If you are a Founder I believe that having something others don't is not bad. After all you contributed before and after beta, getting a small reward of it. Can't be that bad and item in question is not a game killer either.

This isn't a question of morality, but a question of the game being more or less close to an historical combat flight simulation. Nobody is against a reward to being a founder, and everybody thanks the dev for the reward intention. The question is the nature of the gift, not the gift itself.

 

Can you give me a single reason why some future non-founders player would not have access to a plane version that was operationnal during the war and that founders have access to? It would mean that if you recreate a scenario in a coop game with a flight of Bf.109-F4-R7, it would then be a "founder's only scenario", do you really want to have this kind of separation?

 

And not every future players had the chance to be a Founder, since not every future player is registered to this forum or even read this forum.... at least I hope (for the success of this game and for everybody)

Of course the dev did their decision and will have the final word... but this place is a forum where you can give you opinion and discuss with the dev... and that's just what we do. Nothing more.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Easy solution, mission makers restrict loadout of the planes. Problem solved. Founders can unlock the MG151 15mm gondolas right? Use them instead. Was the 20mm gondola even used that much on Bf109F-4, more likely on the G-6 and onwards. Those with the heaps of books and documents sure can check that how widespread the 20mm gondola was on the Bf109F-4. At least those German books I've read not a single pilot mentions them on Bf109F-4, like Rall, Lipfert or Steinhoff. 

 

 Sorry if was being rude, not my intention. But my opinion is that if a Founder has put that much extra effort and time to follow BoS development, aqcuire the early access to contribute for testing then he/she deserves something others won't get. Be it a skin or whatever devs decide. Anyways, case closed on my part. Seems the issue struck a nerve.

[Panzerlang]

Can I have a Knights Cross instead?

[ACG_Kraut]

Cool thanks!

[=RvE=Windmills]

S!

 

 Easy solution, mission makers restrict loadout of the planes. Problem solved. Founders can unlock the MG151 15mm gondolas right? Use them instead. Was the 20mm gondola even used that much on Bf109F-4, more likely on the G-6 and onwards. Those with the heaps of books and documents sure can check that how widespread the 20mm gondola was on the Bf109F-4. At least those German books I've read not a single pilot mentions them on Bf109F-4, like Rall, Lipfert or Steinhoff. 

 

 Sorry if was being rude, not my intention. But my opinion is that if a Founder has put that much extra effort and time to follow BoS development, aqcuire the early access to contribute for testing then he/she deserves something others won't get. Be it a skin or whatever devs decide. Anyways, case closed on my part. Seems the issue struck a nerve.

 

 

You can argue away a lot of modifications like this, and even entire planes. Again, it's not a drama but there's no reason to restrict it like that.

[Rjel]

I'll take the gift with thanks. As the majority of players are offliners I don't see how this gift should affect most players negatively whether they preordered or not. 

[Frequent_Flyer]

If you philosophically don't agree. Just "regift  "it , we all have done it before. When will the beta be released to the " founders " ?

[dkoor]

Il-2 has been around for 12 years by now. There are people playing who weren't even born when it was at beta stage. I don't think anyone is having problems with folks frequenting the forum and deciding against it now, but the hopefully hundreds of thousands of players buying the game some time (maybe 12 years) after official release can never have the 20mm gondolas on their F-4.

 

Might have been / be better to give the 109 a unique skin or some graphic speciality as well.

Hopefully it will be implemented for all after some time (if not from the start).

 

I'm not really for the "exclusive club" regarding actual weapons and aircraft.

 

Like you said graphic/skin or maybe even a trophy pistol (RoF style) etc. etc. but not something that is quite useful in game and could make a difference.

[J2_Trupobaw]

Il-2 has been around for 12 years by now. There are people playing who weren't even born when it was at beta stage. I don't think anyone is having problems with folks frequenting the forum and deciding against it now, but the hopefully hundreds of thousands of players buying the game some time (maybe 12 years) after official release can never have the 20mm gondolas on their F-4.

 

"Never" is really strong word here, and not used in the announcement .  I don't think many founders will hold a grudge if 777 releases this mod as buyable in year or two after release, when novelty wears off. In meantime, majority of players will likely be founders anyway. I see them releasing it later, especially if the mod is a game breaker.

 

Which it's not guaranteed to be. Pardon my ignorance of 109 variants, but is Friedrich with cannon pods capable of doing anything that either regular Friedrich or regular Gustav does not do better? From what I've read so far, it seems to be attempt to upgun Friedrich into proto-Gustav at cost of performance; nice to have in early campaign stages if Gustav is not available, easily balanced in multiplayer by letting players fly their Gustavs instead. I see no problem with founders having one more useful option in single player campaign, yet. 

[Volkoff]

The R7 will be a neat mod, thanks!  MJ

[Dutch]

Gunds pods are perfect for Boom and Zoom.  

 

I bet you're around 12 years old.

[BeastyBaiter]

I don't see the 20mm gunpods as a big issue as it will be of virtually no use online and only limited use offline. I understand being against non-cosmetic items such as this but this particular thing is just so minor that I am not bothered by it. This isn't WT where you need 500 cannon shells to down a Pe-2. On the other hand, I would prefer unique skins instead for all the various planes. Those would get more use and avoid any controversy.

[FlatSpinMan]

Dutch - knock it off!

[LukeFF]

Which it's not guaranteed to be. Pardon my ignorance of 109 variants, but is Friedrich with cannon pods capable of doing anything that either regular Friedrich or regular Gustav does not do better? 

 

They were fitted to give the 109 a better chance at downing Il-2s.

[FuriousMeow]

So much misguided nobility. If you're concerned about people not having something that you get because you paid in early for a game and they didn't, I can think of several hundred charities and donatable services that you could actually dedicate this energy towards, and THAT would actually mean something.

[Creepermoss]

I'm surprised at the reactions here, and that folks seem to have forgotten about the early access to a model of IL-2 that no-one but founders will have for who knows how long. Are a pair of wing pods going to make more, less, or the same difference as a rear mounted gun + gunner position? I didn't see anyone question this, at all.

 

Zak

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 04:40

Dear Pilots!

A few days ago we launched our pre-order program and we're sincerely grateful to those of you who have already pre-ordered or will order the Standard or Premium edition of IL-2 Sturmovik: Battle of Stalingrad in the coming days. We appreciate your support and confidence in us.

Most of you must have noticed that the video trailer features an IL-2 with a rear gunner; however this version of the IL-2 is not in the announced list of planes that will be available at launch. Today we happily reveal that the IL-2 weapon modification with a rear mounted ShKAS gun will be available from the start to everyone who pre-orders the game before September 1st, 2013.​

Edited October 2, 2013 by [JG2]Creepermoss

[TheBlackPenguin]

Storm in a teacup imho, it was designed to go against the heavily armoured Il2's and has its own negative points, such as extra weight, which will have a bad effect during fighter vs fighter encounters. This reminds me of when people got unnecessarily worried about ROF's weapon mods, most are only used for specific purposes, and some, such as the extra gun on the Triplane make it much less manoeuvrable and slower, all fine against balloons and two seater's, but seriously detrimental against other fighters.

 

It seems the earlier you pre-ordered the more mods you get, but I also doubt it'll remain founder exclusive forever though.

 

Thank you 1C/777 for these gifts .

[HippyDruid]

Cool!! Gunpods! Thanks

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

Anyone whos still wants to give up their game because they are outraged at this gift should go and take a look in the BOS gift thread, lots of people who are not in the position to buy the sim at the moment, im sure would be very very happy to take it off your hands, and wouldn't let bleedin gun pods on a F4 stop them.

[Panzerlang]

I'm sure there were many RL Luftwaffe pilots who sulked because the CO wouldn't let them have short-supply pods on their planes. And were then KO'd before they had a chance to raise their stature and be allowed them.