Stig Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 Although the Luftwaffe was certainly on the back foot in Italy in 1943, the destruction of more than 20 109s, in a single engagement with P40s, (for the loss of just one Allied fighter) sounds extraordinary to me- particularly given that the 109s appear to have engaged the P40s from an advantageous position. Are these 'confirmed victories' or just 'claimed victories'? Claimed and confirmed by one side. It's what the other side lost that is the important point. See post # 72.
GOAT-ACEOFACES Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 You mean the graph of the roll rate of the pre-war P40, which has nothing to do with the later E,F,N etc versions? Seems i was right calling it dubious, because it has nothing to do with the planes used in war/ in this future sim.Ah, I see where you are confused, note that pre-war does not equate to some sort of pre-production (read prototype) version. American Hundred Thousand also noted that the graph was 'typical' for the inverted vee P-40s i.e. the H81, which as far as I know consist of the P-40, B and C models, maybe more. Basically the versions of the P-40 that the Flying Tigers were using in China. In summary your Dubious claim was and still is invalid. Hope that helps!
II./JG77_Manu* Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) Ah, I see where you are confused, note that pre-war does not equate to some sort of pre-production (read prototype) version. American Hundred Thousand also noted that the graph was 'typical' for the inverted vee P-40s i.e. the H81, which as far as I know consist of the P-40, B and C models, maybe more. Basically the versions of the P-40 that the Flying Tigers were using in China. In summary your Dubious claim was and still is invalid. Hope that helps! No it doesn't help, i didn't have any dubious claim, or any claim at all. Edited February 19, 2015 by Celestiale
=AVG=Zombie Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 I claim that the P-40 will be awesome.....do not need any technical specs for that.... 2
GOAT-ACEOFACES Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 i didn't have any dubious claim, or any claim at all.Really? I guess there is another Celestiale? That or someone hacked your account, because... where you got this dubious P40 roll rate from? Hope that helps!
II./JG77_Manu* Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 Really? I guess there is another Celestiale? That or someone hacked your account, because... Hope that helps! Can't see any claim there, you might get some glasses
GOAT-ACEOFACES Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 So let me see if I understand you correctly.. Your asking us to believe that when you asked me where I got the dubious P-40 roll rate from, you were not trying to imply and/or claim the P-40 roll rate is dubious? Interesting.. And I would allmost buy it if that is all you had to say on the subject, but in light of what you said here, i.e. Seems i was right calling it dubious I think it is safe to say that you claimed the P-40 roll rate data was dubious Hope that helps!
Yakdriver Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 this one is absolutely Brilliant.The eye is perfect in its menacing look, and the green splotches are well placed to break up the boring olive drab...Hope we get an N some time down the road. 1
6./ZG26_Gielow Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 My favourite P40's feature as a Luftwaffe pilot is poor rear visibility as this movie shows: IL2 Sturmovik AC/DC Thunderstruck:
Bearcat Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 If it means anything, the RAF gave serious consideration to replacing all it's Hurricanes with P40s. yeah.. wasn't that a part of the whole scenario that brought the P-51 into existence? He was talking about CFS 1 Hurricanes IIRC CFS1 Hurris were like the noob plane.. If you anted to fly am easy plane with a lot of bullets.. that was your plane.. Nice article here about P40 in the VVS: http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/romanenko/p-40/ I like this part saying the P40 was given to units that performed poorly: "Later two paths emerge: If the regiment did not particularly distinguish itself in combat (greater losses and lesser victories), it was transferred to PVO and received the P-40M and -N. If it achieved notable combat success, it became a guards regiment and was rearmed with the P-39, Yak-7 and -9, or La-5." Clearly, that is because only the P40 could make good pilots out of them! H PS here is a spooky observation... Take the P40 Remove the radiator from the chin, move it to the belly and you get this... If they didn't like it, why did the VVS reverse engineer it? Hmmmmm? H Very nice article... For me.. my first introduction to the P-40 was this baby right here... In fact I was 5 years old and my older cousin (by 8 years) had one of those.. and this plane was the thing that started me on my whole WWII warbird thing.. I risked taking a berating to break into his room to play with this thing when he was not around.. When I was 8 or so ..... and he discovered girls... It was mine. I left it at my grandparent's hose.. and it was losty over the years.. but that is where the P-40 starts for me.. at 5.
II./JG77_Manu* Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 this one is absolutely Brilliant. The eye is perfect in its menacing look, and the green splotches are well placed to break up the boring olive drab... Hope we get an N some time down the road. Awesome pic from a really beautiful plane
II./JG77_Manu* Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 This is about the P40F-Version: The P-40 usually had an edge over the Bf 109E in horizontal maneuverability, dive speed and structural strength, was roughly equal in firepower, but was slightly inferior in speed and outclassed in rate of climb and operational ceiling. The P-40 was generally superior to early Italian fighter types, such as the Fiat G.50 and the Macchi C.200. Its performance against the Macchi C.202 Folgore elicited varying opinions. Some observers consider the Macchi C.202 superior.Clive Caldwell, who scored victories against them in his P-40, felt that the Folgore was superior to both the P-40 and the Bf 109 except that its armament of only two or four machine guns was inadequate.Other observers considered the two equally matched, or favored the Folgore in aerobatic performance, such as turning radius.
Yakdriver Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 apples to oranges to pears. incomparable.
heinkill Posted February 23, 2015 Author Posted February 23, 2015 (edited) P-40 reading list... http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=P-40&rh=n%3A283155%2Ck%3AP-40 Any recommendations? H Edited February 23, 2015 by heinkill
bivalov Posted February 23, 2015 Posted February 23, 2015 http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/aviation/sources-pilots-removing-guns-40065.html#post1102354 http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/aviation/sources-pilots-removing-guns-40065-3.html#post1105143 + Golodnikov about soviet Tomahawk/Kittyhawk + P-40D (P-40E with 4xMG, roughly speaking) = absolutely realistic possible "unlock" (unfortunately, exactly "unlock")?
Venturi Posted February 23, 2015 Posted February 23, 2015 My thought is that "RPM" he uses is actually a mistranslation, instead he means throttle setting - IE advancing throttle to achieve higher boost. Since of couse, RPM is actually set by the prop gov. Some further reading elicits complaints of carb icing brought about by reduced throttle inputs to limit engine boost to standard values - which was the reason behind watching carb air temp gauge. (low throttle setting = small intake aperture = more easily iced (with pressure drop near entrance and Venturi effect).
Trooper117 Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 It would be great to get the Tomahawk series first, then move onto the Kittyhawk variant.
Finkeren Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 It would be great to get the Tomahawk series first, then move onto the Kittyhawk variant. That's not how it's done in 1C/777 land. Here we start with the middle of the war and then move a bit backwards in time, then perhaos forward a bit, fly to North Africa, and then who knows what can happen next. 2
Trooper117 Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 I'm only saying that of course as I want my Tomahawk in North Africa
heinkill Posted February 28, 2015 Author Posted February 28, 2015 (edited) Would be good to get some favourite paintjobs into this thread for the skinners...once we have collected a decent number we can run a poll. Inspiration... Edited February 28, 2015 by heinkill 1
BlitzPig_EL Posted February 28, 2015 Posted February 28, 2015 (edited) P 40K of Nikolay Fedorovich Kuznetsov Always been partial to this one as I have flown with number 23 since the beginning of my time in flight simulation, and have used it on my competition cars too. Edited February 28, 2015 by BlitzPig_EL
Yakdriver Posted February 28, 2015 Posted February 28, 2015 But none of those are E's. K's, N's... Warhawks of all kinds,... no Echo model. disregarding that, i like this one much... classic white tail and lettering. nice overpainted roundel, and a lot of wear.russian clapped-out Warhorse. This one "seems" to be an "E", has nice shading but is rather boring to look at. 1
BlitzPig_EL Posted February 28, 2015 Posted February 28, 2015 (edited) Yakdriver, the upper one is an early N, note the extended rear fuselage, and the different cockpit framing details. Edited February 28, 2015 by BlitzPig_EL
Yakdriver Posted February 28, 2015 Posted February 28, 2015 (edited) yea, but i said "disregarding that"... I dont mind an N. Ns have long "Tails" or so the Girls around here say. okok, i'll stop the bad taste Jokes.... I appreciate them for their length, their graceful appearance is sweet. at least sweeter than the Echo types and the allison powered pieces of whoopdeedoop.The most beautiful Variant i find to be the F, without the scope on the hood. all the other ones look like they got their Noses broken (and badly set) at some point in their life.The F is the only one with the Nose intact. (i say intact. or "the least ugly" hehehe) One day... oh one fine day... Edited February 28, 2015 by Yakdriver
1CGS LukeFF Posted February 28, 2015 1CGS Posted February 28, 2015 Please, no skins that weren't actually E models that flew in the East. We already have that problem with too many of the skins included in the unlocks.
BlitzPig_EL Posted February 28, 2015 Posted February 28, 2015 All these skin issues could be easily negated by having the ability to choose your tactical number, like in every other sim except for those done by 777. I'd be totally happy with a season/theater specific default skin and national markings if I could choose my personal tactical number. I am not Pokryshkin, or Hartmann, or Bong, nor would I be pretentious enough to pretend I am. I am BlitzPig_EL and I fly with number 23. Why is this so difficult?
Yakdriver Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 and that is why i, or you, or someone will some up with a custom Paintjob, just for you.which puts the question forth... can we "haz P-40 E Template Plz?"
BlitzPig_EL Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 Trouble is Yakdriver, that custom skins don't work unless they can be distributed as part of an official skin pack. Hence why I would like to see the ability to just put our own numbers on the default skins.
Yakdriver Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 like in de good ole days. ...if the skin can not be transmitted in the middle of an online match... lets at least have numbers (+color for number?) and noseart/squad emblem...i feel ya used to do racing wearing a 99.
heinkill Posted March 1, 2015 Author Posted March 1, 2015 As long as unlocks are still in the game, I've got nothing against a skin which is not historic, but which can be used online. This, for example, has to be in the game!
Venturi Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) Please, no skins that weren't actually E models that flew in the East. We already have that problem with too many of the skins included in the unlocks. Actually, as many of the German planes would have been transferred from N. Africa/Malta immediately to the East, it makes complete sense to me for them to have desert skins. A nice historical note, if you will. P40C, Circa 1941, China/Burma theatre. Excellent skin. Wrong operators. As long as unlocks are still in the game, I've got nothing against a skin which is not historic, but which can be used online. This, for example, has to be in the game! Edited March 1, 2015 by Venturi
Yakdriver Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 thats like taking an Emil paintjob and putting it on a G6. it hurts. please.it hurts.
=362nd_FS=Hiromachi Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 Right, I remember I had a huge list of P-40 E skins for Pacific, I know they are not fitting the Moscow front but if someone would like to have them ... Here are two scans I had on my hdd Rest will have to be scanned.
6./ZG26_5tuka Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 Well maybe we can create some Zero or George skins for the La-5 and make a guadalkanal map to make them fight each other
Finkeren Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 Well maybe we can create some Zero or George skins for the La-5 and make a guadalkanal map to make them fight each other One thing that would actually make a ton of sense would be skinning up the MC. 202 as a Ki-61. Not only are the looks there, but perfomance wise it shouldn't be that far off.
Tyberan Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 Oh yeah RAAF skins, totally excited by the P40 now. It's always had a special place in my heart, that rugged purposful look that it has. Here is another scheme.
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