Developer Diary, Part 87 - Discussion

[BFsSmurfy]

Every pre-order should have the unlocks, another poor PR decision from someone imo.

[Comes]

I think this is a fair solution. Looking forward to the new maps!! Can't wait!!

Thank's a lot! 

Still waiting for some news on the 52 and the 202

[Zak]

Good news. I hope we don't have to wait MONTHS for at least one of the 2 new maps?

You already have the game. So, as soon as the maps are ready, you'll get them. Maybe one by one, no specific delays are planned now.

it begs the question, will Development Team have planes for us which were there during the months before the main BoS, like the i-16 ?

I hope we'll be ready to announce something about some planes next week, or 2 WEEKS BE SURE

[Roast]

 

I hope we'll be ready to announce something about some planes next week, or 2 WEEKS BE SURE

 

Aha, that's splendid news !

Thanks Zak

[9./JG27golani79]

Great news about the additional maps

 

Not sure though if I´ll unlock my unlocks :D

[Emil_Junus]

Good news. I hope we don't have to wait MONTHS for at least one of the 2 new maps?

 

You already have the game. So, as soon as the maps are ready, you'll get them. Maybe one by one, no specific delays are planned now.

 

 

I didn't want that to sound impolite Zak, excuse me . I'm just excited about it and know many players who still doesn't have BOS because there are only winter maps. I bet they will buy it with summer or lovely rusty looking autumn maps.

[SCG_Neun]

Sounds like a plan with some good ideas which can help jump start this game to new levels.  Thanks

[Yakdriver]

2 weeks be sure!

Good news.
The unlocks gone for premium - i give that a 5/10 - because i have all the stuff i am interested in, for now.
That will also mean i am not likely to play the campaign any more, so the campaign effort you did was a bit of a waste of time.
Also the campaign stats you did become a bit of a waste of time, for the same reason.

Good. Good news.

 

summer and autumn maps are even more important from my point of View,

because what BoS does not offer me for the time being, is stuff to do, places to fly, Planes to fly or stuff to shoot at.
Some green at last, and a hefty delay in the tools.

Hope you keep your ill Staff member aboard.
Congrats to Zeus and Crew!

[ST_ami7b5]

 I16 or Mig3 for summer map?

and

on the other side?

 

Good to see Zeus in the team!

Edited February 6, 2015 by ST_ami7b5

[A-E-Hartmann]

A big thank you to all the team .

Excellent new .

[Jaws2002]

Given the ability to have custom skins - I am not sure I understand why this is a big issue. Most of the complaints regarding unlocks were that it prevented people from being able to fly missions with loadouts that required an unlock.

 

 

It segments the community into tiny pieces. Custom skins can't be used online in "ranked servers", so you are stuck with what you unlocked from official pack. Some popular servers switched recently to "ranked server", so no skins in those anymore. By unlocking field mods only, it means there's much less interest to grind, so the skins they worked hard on, will remain hidden for a big chunk of the community.

 

 

 

Some paint shouldn't be a show stopper?

Then why leave them locked in that absurd grind system? Is it a show stopper for them to unlock everything instead of the half baked move they did now? 

And how about all those preorder customers who couldn't afford the premium, but supported them with their money a year and half before the game was released? Why throw them under the bus?

 

All this server I marked in red don't allow custom skins (and locked loadouts for everyone other than premium accounts) :

 I don't think I'll bother visiting them again. The "ranked server" thing is nothing but enforcing the offline grind system, on the online players.

 

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Edited February 6, 2015 by Jaws2002

[Zak]

I didn't want that to sound impolite Zak, excuse me . I'm just excited about it and know many players who still doesn't have BOS because there are only winter maps. I bet they will buy it with summer or lovely rusty looking autumn maps.

I didn't see any impoliteness, Emil. Excuse me if I might sound rude.

As I said, the new Stalingrad maps are free for everyone who has the game.

[Zmaj76]

Any news on the biggest performance hog - SSAO?

[Sim]

The fact zeus is now responsible for autumn/summer maps can only mean the previous map team has moved on and is working on some new map/theater? Just speculating..

 

Also, with the new summer maps - will you model a non-destroyed version of the Stalingrad city (before the August 23 bombings)?

 

And any news when the next patch with bug fixes and features is coming?

Edited February 6, 2015 by Sim

[216th_Peterla]

Excellent news.

[Saurer]

Any news on the biggest performance hog - SSAO?

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/14415-question-comments-loft/?p=228281

[Ballermann]

Big news thank you!

 

Greeting Ballermann!

[SR-F_Winger]

Zak.

What about bigger playercount for MP?

Fixes of FMs?

New planes?

Multiplayer onlinestatistics?

 

Thats actually what i expected.

Happy to hear about the staltingradvariants. Especially since its much work but not as much as building a new map from scratch and therefor hopefulyl wont talke as long for development.

Edited February 6, 2015 by VSG1_Winger

[LonnyEnds]

Great to hear news! I finished getting the unlocks by doing a mission or two several days a week but should make many happy.(and a few probably even more upset)

 

I have been a simmer for about 2 decades know and the community truly is the heart of a top notch sim. I fully support the devs in any roadmap that adds content the community would have great difficulty doing like more flyable (and non) planes, maps, FM/DM and systems such as oxygen.

 

The more that is done to improve this already good core will allow the people like team fusion to create something truly great. (Anyone remember Silent Hunter 3 grey wolves? Or the state Il2 ClOD was in when released)

 

That all being said the best thing the devs could do is try to keep the community informed. Even if it is a short dev diary every week saying plans stay the same, here is one screen of the progress on the summer map, or a plane/object etc. Hell even say work continues with a meet the team blurb like here's a pic of our team working on the Ju-52, with a bit of info about the people would still be interesting to many and keep everyone content you guys are as commited as most of us already know you are.

 

Regardless keep supporting this title with more content and in 1 years time people will be saying this is arguably the best flight sim ever made

[fjacobsen]

I think todays update sounds great.

 

For the unlocks they had to come up with some kind of system. There will always be people who feel bad about a certain decision.

I´m realy looking forward to the new seasonable maps, did not expect they would com that fast actually.

Since it´s a small team, I think we need to show some kind of understanding that a complex tool like a FMB/FME (which I hope it will be - well not to use, but feature wise) will take some time to finish.

 

For me the future of BOS seems bright again, we just need to have some patience - this is not the Battlefield Series with a huge team of developers, so time and resources are limited for 1C/777.

 

My greatest hope now is to see more positive posts in this forum, cause the negative tone found here is really discouraging and in many cases (not all !!) unfair.

 

 

FinnJ

[SCG_Neun]

That all being said the best thing the devs could do is try to keep the community informed. Even if it is a short dev diary every week saying plans stay the same, here is one screen of the progress on the summer map, or a plane/object etc. Hell even say work continues with a meet the team blurb like here's a pic of our team working on the Ju-52, with a bit of info about the people would still be interesting to many and keep everyone content you guys are as commited as most of us already know you are.

 

Regardless keep supporting this title with more content and in 1 years time people will be saying this is arguably the best flight sim ever made

+1        I suppose part of the problem with making a statement and keeping everyone informed is the number of posts that the information generates from both the pleased.....and the not so pleased.  But in the end.....just being open is the best policy and will lift the veil to the behind the scenes work being done to make this game better.  With that kind of information....I can recommend this game to others when they ask, because I have an understanding of the design plans of the game and those areas that are going to be tweaked and improved...

Edited February 6, 2015 by JagdNeun

[Tyberan]

2 new maps, this is awesome news looking forward to some colour to the map. Maybe some muddy airfields to take off from.

[heinkill]

Great news about the maps and the extra campaign chapters, thanks! Until the FME arrives, us offliners need a reason to keep using the game once we have already done the campaign in the aircraft we prefer. And as regards the FME, pls take all the time you need to make it as user friendly as humanly possible! An easy to use FME in 2016 is better than one that only limited superusers can use in 2015 (although that is better than none at all).

 

I too hope the maps come with correct objects for the period (boats, undestroyed buildings) but also some more realistic airfields. I love the current level of activity of humans - one or two vehicles would be great. Plus craters, wrecked objects, graves, dirty snow and rubbish dumps!

 

I'm glad to hear I will be able to do away with the unlocks.

 

Does this mean premium users will now also be able to get 16x acceleration back? Please?

 

Cheers and good luck with 2015

 

H

[SvAF/F19_Klunk]

Would't it be great to see mud beeing swirled back instead of snow`?:D

I wonder if it is possible to actually cling dirt on tires and or airframse as you taxi/taking off/land/belly land..

Edited February 6, 2015 by SvAF/F19_Klunk

[Jaws2002]

 

Does this mean premium users will now also be able to get 16x acceleration back? Please?

 

 

 

H

Nah, there are still skins to grind.

[Maple_X]

One Question:

If I unlock all modifications now, what happens to NEW PLANES those should be added in the future?

I want to that new planes are not unlocked automatically but have to unlock manually.

[Urra]

2 new maps, this is awesome news looking forward to some colour to the map. Maybe some muddy airfields to take off from.

Here also. As well as making use of the big red button to get rid of unlocks.

[Black-Hussar]

Unlocks, a dedicated server and a FME.    BoS is on the way to become a flight sim! Really appreciate this, thank you.

 

One question; what about the city of Stalingrad in the summer map?  Will the buildings be undestroyed?

 

 

 

P.S: Do not forget to release some payable stuff. I suggest a Bf110 ..... 

Edited February 6, 2015 by Rudel

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Fan-freakin-tastic!!!

 

Very much looking forward to the GREEN-NESS.

 

And I expect the full roadmap announcement will be made by Loft, Jason and/or Black Six at a later date.

 

IN SHORT: I don't think this is the full announcement we have been advised of. Zac hints at this if you read all of the green responses.

Edited February 6, 2015 by HerrMurf

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Regarding unlocks,

 

I can see why they would leave the skins locked. It will make new pilots go through a bit of flight school to get them. This sim is more complex than the last generation to fly correctly. Similar to DCS, the initial learning curve is steep and it took me some time to master my prefered mount. So it does make sense.

 

I'm sorry to the non-premium (as defined) users but the unlock is the reward for full investment. You can buy the last aircraft or grind. It is a personal decision. Unpleasant, perhaps but not unreasonable. You don't get the carwash by purchasing a couple of gallons of gas at the station. Buy a full tank, get the carwash (even then, its not free like it was a decade ago - just discounted).

[ram0506]

Zeus on board of the developer team. That`s great news! I really appreciate the work of people from the community like him or Veteran with his missions!

Good news also about the unlocks. Can`t wait to press the new button!

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

It segments the community into tiny pieces. Custom skins can't be used online in "ranked servers", so you are stuck with what you unlocked from official pack. Some popular servers switched recently to "ranked server", so no skins in those anymore. By unlocking field mods only, it means there's much less interest to grind, so the skins they worked hard on, will remain hidden for a big chunk of the community.

 

 

 

Then why leave them locked in that absurd grind system? Is it a show stopper for them to unlock everything instead of the half baked move they did now? 

And how about all those preorder customers who couldn't afford the premium, but supported them with their money a year and half before the game was released? Why throw them under the bus?

 

All this server I marked in red don't allow custom skins (and locked loadouts for everyone other than premium accounts) :

 I don't think I'll bother visiting them again. The "ranked server" thing is nothing but enforcing the offline grind system, on the online players.

 

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While you have to wait for the FME, which is understandably frustrating, I think those skins will see the most use on custom, user made content, servers. 

[No601_Swallow]

Good stuff!

 

And as regards the FME, pls take all the time you need to make it as user friendly as humanly possible! An easy to use FME in 2016 is better than one that only limited superusers can use in 2015 (although that is better than none at all).

 

I wonder. Perhaps right now increasing the number of people with access to the FME in its present form would be a good idea. I'd love some people to be working on and sharing more SP content while we're waiting for the player-ready FME. I think this would be the most efficient way of increasing SP longevity.

 

Anyway, great news about Zeus and the maps. I can't wait to fly through dark leaden rain-sodden October skies, over tracks and junctions and river crossings churning with mud.

Edited February 6, 2015 by No601_Swallow

[J2_Trupobaw]

Excellent news all around! I couldn't care less about unlocks myself, but it should please many people who do, and please me if I don't have to read about them in every thread regardless of subject  And Stalingrad map I can navigate over ?

 

Shame about the FME and fact that I see programmer's health problem discussed mainly as cause of delay. I hope he can be helped   , I know ME can and will be. 

Edited February 6, 2015 by Trupobaw

[LizLemon]

Is this the road map we were promised or is that coming later?

[dhillr]

I knew it BoS gonna rock some day!!  Thank you for the great news.

[Orfanik]

Good news. I look forward to the summer and autumn maps and also on the mission editor.

[Zak]

Is this the road map we were promised or is that coming later?

That's a part of it.

[Jaws2002]

While you have to wait for the FME, which is understandably frustrating, I think those skins will see the most use on custom, user made content, servers. 

 

It depends. If they keep the hosts hostage, by denying some features of the dedicated server to "unranked" servers, like stats, than you'll see a lot less custom skins online.

We all have certain things that make it tick for us. Some people are interested in stats, in guns, some are interested in skins. This decision is still segmenting the already segmented community. The only plane I fully unlocked is the he111 and it was because of the skins.

To me the skins are important and to me, this move they announced today, is a bad one.  

Edited February 6, 2015 by Jaws2002

[LizLemon]

That's a part of it.

That is what I figured.

 

Planes and new map announcement next week then?