Dev question: Is there any possibilities we will see a flyable Ju-52 in the future?

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

Wonder if there is any plan or just some thoughts by the devs if this could be a possibility. I mean there is a big support by the consumers and tons of big threads about it

Will the AI Ju-52 will have AFM like the other aircrafts and basically all that is needed is a cockpit? 

 

Regards McKvack.

Edited November 30, 2014 by McKvack

[Y-29.Silky]

I'd say it's coming in the near future. It takes many man hours to develop aircraft (that are correct) and they are quite a small team. But maybe a little community pressure can persuade them to put it on the top of their list... If they release a new plane, specifically the Ju-52, that has an inaccurate damage/flight model, the community, especially this one, will lose their minds and shun the developers to eternity.

Edited November 30, 2014 by Silky

[Y-29.Silky]

Hi Kvack!

there is a specific thread for this question, maybe here you will get  an answer from the source:

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/7-questions-developers/

 

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BlackSix already mentioned in that thread, "We don't comment on the development of the project in the future and can not say anything about the new aircraft, sorry."

[Leaf]

I would be very surprised if we didn't. It would be an obvious step to go from "AI only" to flyable. When this occurs is another matter.

[[KWN]T-oddball]

Wonder if there is any plan or just some thoughts by the devs if this could be a possibility. I mean there is a big support by the consumers and tons of big threads about it

Will the AI Ju-52 will have AFM like the other aircrafts and basically all that is needed is a cockpit? 

 

Regards McKvack.

 

Having them in the game as A.I is being 3/4 of the way there 482 of them were lost during the air bridge operation to supply the sixth army group, having them in the game as A.I right now IMHO is more important than having them flyable as it will allow multiple  missions and campaigns to be built around historical events.

 

I am sure in the long run they will add a cockpit

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/13178-developer-diary-part-85-discussion/

Edited November 30, 2014 by T-oddball

[von_Tom]

Must say that a flyable Ju52 is way down on my list.  I'd much rather have another theatre/time frame and different variants of the planes we have now, or even all new aircraft.

 

Just my opinion of course, and if they add it well that'll be cool anyway.

 

von Tom

Edited November 30, 2014 by von_Tom

[FuriousMeow]

Having them in the game as A.I is being 3/4 of the way there

 

Not really. As a matter of fact, it may not even be a 1/4 of the way there. The FM is the most complicated part, not the cockpit, and if it is made with a simpler FM, as was the case with RoF's AI only aircraft, then there is still tons of work.

 

There was a lot on this board about how the Ju52 is desperately needed, and they don't care if it is AI only, so it appears they are appeasing the AI only part which is probably going to be a simpler FM to get it in game as a target quicker. Now the controllable Ju52 will be wanted, and needed, and now! Because its already in the game, how hard can it be to be flyable? A lot more work is needed. It's like the decals so many desparately want. They say they are okay with generic and non-historical (like the old Il-2 series decals sans MAT Manager), but if they were put in game the following weeks would be complaints about needing historical decals for every squadron and that the squadron logo for this group or gruppe is wrong and misplaced and needs to be fixed, etc ad nauseum. This will most likely happen with the Ju52, now that the AI is in - we need flyable and it should be easy to do because the model already exists but that isn't the case.

Edited November 30, 2014 by FuriousMeow

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

It would make great sense at least. They have half the work done by the time this decision is to be taken and may make it a payable aircraft only for enthusiasts (who else would care about it anyway?) to pay for the extra cockpit  FM.

 

Another benefit is that the Ju 52 served on every german frontier threwout the war. Having the Ju 52 as a flyable means that owning players should be able to fly it across multiple theatres for different types of missions.

 

They can even go ahead and add special equipment for it, like bombs for an early war scenario or medivac equipment for mid to late war ambulance flights. Don't dare to tell me I'm too far visioned....

[Y-29.Silky]

I'd much rather have another theatre/time frame and different variants of the planes we have now, or even all new aircraft.

 

Just my opinion of course, and if they add it well that'll be cool anyway.

 

That is literally asking for a whole new game lol.

 

--> I do hope the P-40 doesn't take too long to come; the 109's will have competition once and for all and the seal clubbing will end.

[avlSteve]

If the ROF model doesn't work in theory, then I'm out of ideas.  I've already stated I'll plop $50 US for a flyable Ju-52.  I love those kind of aircraft. 

 

For the time being, I'll plop $50 for whatever they can plop.  Now if they get some kind of factory ploppert, there's only so far I can go, but right now I'd happily plop for flyable ju52.  And again, I'll plop another hund on the early access for Pacific Fighters.

 

I can plop quicker than they can at the moment.

Edited November 30, 2014 by avlSteve

[Feathered_IV]

A $50 plop doesn't stink. That's a fair price for a tricky aircraft to model. I'd pay that without hesitation. After more than a decade of this stuff, I really need some variety.

[Petrosky]

I thought i read in a post that the AI FM was the same as user planes?

If that is true then they have lots of the work done. You can bet they are working on more planes and maps,

Tha'ts how they will keep making money to go forward. The JU52 has been in many of the videos released

hard to believe that it won't make it as an flyable.

 

Petrosky

[-TBC-AeroAce]

He he plop!!

[Brano]

The FM is the most complicated part, not the cockpit, and if it is made with a simpler FM, as was the case with RoF's AI only aircraft, then there is still tons of work.

 

I thought all RoF airplanes are flyable.Which are AI only?

[PA-Sniv]

Devs already stated they didn't plan to add Ju-52 as flyable... but if they do, I'd definitly buy it!

 

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[senseispcc]

It is a slow not maneuverable plane without defensive armament if you put something in it, it is the ultimate prey for fighters!

 

It has the honor to be the last plane shot down by a biplane in WW2 (Avia 534 in Poland in September 1944).  

 

If you want a plane how could handle itself in a fight take a FW189.  

Edited December 1, 2014 by senseispcc

[150GCT_Veltro]

Would be nice but Ju-88 and BF-110 first.

[Brano]

 

It has the honor to be the last plane shot down by a biplane in WW2 (Avia 534 in Poland in September 1944).  

 

 It was in Slovakia,not Poland.Pilot was npor. Frantisek Cyprich.Ju52 was hungarian.

[III/JG52_Llucmk]

Would be nice but Ju-88 and BF-110 first.

And I-16...

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Guys its not abou "what to ne added first". Devs will decide it, theres no need to discuss it.

 

Fact is they're doing half the work already. The key thing they lack is time.

 

If they get the possebility to make it a flyable and sell it for profit why shouldn't it be done?

[-TBC-AeroAce]

Let's be honest we will c a flyable 52 at some point, when that is....

[Feathered_IV]

It is a slow not maneuverable plane without defensive armament if you put something in it, it is the ultimate prey for fighters!

 

 

In MP, so few people adhere to the mision objectives that the slow and vulnerable can easily evade the fighters.

[7.GShAP/Silas]

In MP, so few people adhere to the mision objectives that the slow and vulnerable can easily evade the fighters.

 

On the other hand, so many are intent on playing "Top Gun: Stalingrad Edition" rather than fighting the war that the very, very few who fly anything other than fighters are immediately eaten alive by the egotistical hordes.

 

I would love to fly the Ju-52, but even if I could fly it I might not bring it out much in MP just to spite those hyenas.

Edited December 1, 2014 by Silas

[Bomred]

@@150GCT_Veltro

I completely agree. Ju-88 anf BF 110 first

[Brano]

There is still place in offline,where you can use it as sightseeing plane.Possibility in QMB to setup simple transport mission,either with cargo,personel,wounded or fieldpost would be nice.Not everyone is fighter pilot and I think there are many,who would fly it just for change inbetween MP fighter sorties.To relax,chillout.Aerotherapy 

[LukeFF]

I thought all RoF airplanes are flyable.Which are AI only?

 

The DFW C.V and Breguet 14 were originally AI-only planes.

[senseispcc]

 It was in Slovakia,not Poland.Pilot was npor. Frantisek Cyprich.Ju52 was hungarian.

The Ju52 was Under Hungarian colors and the Avia of the new Slovakia army the pilot also but they did fly over Poland territory when the Ju52 did go down!. Source Profile about the Avia 534.

Edited December 1, 2014 by senseispcc

[Jason_Williams]

We don't have plans currently to make the JU-52 flyable.

 

Jason

[senseispcc]

 It was in Slovakia,not Poland.Pilot was npor. Frantisek Cyprich.Ju52 was hungarian.

I did find my sorces in many books and all say it was a Hungarian Ju52/3m shot down by a insurgent Slovakian  Avia B.354 with the pilot Cyprich  but over what was then Poland! Profile Nb 152.

But it seems that the book Avia B-534 from MBI collection says the Ju52 landed badly at Tri Duby airfield and there is a picture of the plane!

How is rght I think the most recent are  so you are right, sorry.

Edited December 1, 2014 by senseispcc

[Feathered_IV]

We don't have plans currently to make the JU-52 flyable.

 

Jason

Thanks for the clarification. Sorry to hear it though. Those transport missions were fun and challenging. Edited December 1, 2014 by Feathered_IV

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Take more emphasize on "currently" and you'll notice not all hope is lost

 

Let's wait half year and see where we might get. Maybe even a very talented modder might show up like it happened with the Ilya Morumets.

Edited December 2, 2014 by Stab/JG26_5tuka

[-TBC-AeroAce]

I think it will come along eventually, other things need to be done first, but....

[Brano]

I did find my sorces in many books and all say it was a Hungarian Ju52/3m shot down by a insurgent Slovakian  Avia B.354 with the pilot Cyprich  but over what was then Poland! Profile Nb 152.

But it seems that the book Avia B-534 from MBI collection says the Ju52 landed badly at Tri Duby airfield and there is a picture of the plane!

How is rght I think the most recent are  so you are right, sorry.

Here is whole story of Frantisek Cyprich.For those who are interested.

 

http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/slovakia_cyprich.htm

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

We don't have plans currently to make the JU-52 flyable.

 

Jason

Ok. Thanks for clarifaction.

 

Btw is there possible to add "Transport role" in the campaign? Like the bombing missions but a transport role where you fly from a selected airfield and land at an airfield in the pocket?

After all the He 111 was used heavily for transport as the Ju-52.

Edited December 2, 2014 by McKvack

[CUJO_1970]

We don't have plans currently to make the JU-52 flyable.

 

Jason

 

That's not good.

 

Better to hear "we plan on making this flyable but in distant future" than "we don't have plans..."

 

I hope you guys make it. I really do. <<< that has both a literal and figurative meaning.

[No601_Swallow]

We don't have plans currently to make the JU-52 flyable.

 

Jason

 

Currently... 

Nevertheless, it would be a lovely addition, especially for those of us who just love the "feeling of flight" that BoS is generating, who have a love for the history of aircraft, and who want to use this "CFS" for more than just the "C"! There may be more of us than you might think! 

Edited December 2, 2014 by No601_Swallow