Is the FW 190 worth it?

[Leaf]

I'm considering buying it because I've now flown a few hundred hours in the 109 and am intrigued by that massive radial engine and roll rate. 

A few questions remain:

To what extent has the FM been corrected/changed? What's it's climb rate now?

How effective is it in combat/what should I be wary of?

Is it worth the price?

 

Many thanks!

[Pringliano]

IMO, even if still work in progress, as IL2 BOS as a whole, it is certainly than worth the price, just as the La-5.

 

Various adjustments to engine modeling, climb performance, etc... took place recently and made it an even more interesting DLC.

Edited November 16, 2014 by jcomm

[sturmkraehe]

For me I love the 190. It is more challenging than the 109 but when flown right it is unbeatable. The La5 again is no match but if flown right you can also achieve some successes which is so much more gratifying than with the prone to success axis planes.

Edited November 16, 2014 by sturmkraehe

[bivalov]

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are you seriously? buy it RIGHT NOW.......

 

i'm not joking....... i just tried to fly this bird in friday, after spending of lot of time with all other planes, and after all fixes for cockpit, FM etc.

 

well, and now i can state that is really very interesting and specific aircraft..... and personally i really impressed with new experience.

[Jaegermeister]

The FW190 is by far my favorite plane in the sim.

 

You can fly it as a fighter-bomber for ground attack or an interceptor.

The ground handling has been improved to the point that it is manageable. When it was new it was very difficult, but with use of brakes it is fairly stable now

The armament, even without unlocks, is very good and with 2 additional 20mm cannons, it is devastating whenever you get a shot.

It can out dive most planes given relatively equal energy. You just have to be careful not to get too fast or you cannot pull out.

It out rolls everything meaning you can change direction faster.

If you pull back on the stick and kick left rudder at speed, you can snap stall and lose just about any pursuer(if you have altitude) this is realistic and a documented tactic. You will be going down and reversing almost instantly.

It does not climb well, so you need to fly it as an energy fighter like the Bf 109 and avoid turn fights.

It is faster than any VVS fighter below 2000 meters and does well above 4000. Be careful between 2000 and 4000 meters or you will be overtaken and wonder why the Russian fighters are faster than you.

 

Yes, it's definitely worth the upgrade in my opinion.

[Yakdriver]

It's quite simple - if you have a few hundred hours in the 109, then i suppose you have seen most of what BoS has to offer so far.
If you intend to stay with BoS because of reason X, you only profit from an expansion and giving you a new area to invest a few hundred hours into.
and when you are done with the 190, get the lavochkin...

[SR-F_Winger]

Imo - when it comes to performance as a fighter- no!

When it comes to performance at a groundattacker - yes!

When it comes to supporting the game - double Yes!

When it comes for looks - tripple yes:)

 

Id really love to fly it. But i am flying fighter mostly and for that purpose it simply sucks.

 

[Voidhunger]

Imo - when it comes to performance as a fighter- no!

When it comes to performance at a groundattacker - yes!

When it comes to supporting the game - double Yes!

When it comes for looks - tripple yes:)

 

Id really love to fly it. But i am flying fighter mostly and for that purpose it simply sucks.

 

maybe in MP , but in SP is good as 109. One burst and all enemy fighters are wingless.

[Finkeren]

The Fw 190 is awesome and unique. By far my favourite LW aircraft in BoS.

 

After the last round of FM tweaks it's become quite capable as well. It's a beast against all AI (best bomber killer by a long shot) and at least compettible in MP. If you can't outfight a LaGG in MP you need only look in a mirror to see the cause.

[dkoor]

 

How effective is it in combat/what should I be wary of?

 

It is practically and effectively best fighter in the game regarding combat effectiveness.

 

However if you are prone to airshow moves then I guess it isn't for you.

 

Picture this.

A formation of Soviet bombers and escorting fighters.

You alone attack, bring down few of them and escape without the fear of being caught.

 

This plane is really fast, faster then anything in game in shallow dive.

 

It has only one downside and that is that you should not involve yourself in any kind of maneuvering combat with Soviets, they all turn better and are more agile.

Unfortunately for them, that is all negated with pilot w/ brains in Focke.

[SR-F_Winger]

maybe in MP , but in SP is good as 109. One burst and all enemy fighters are wingless.

agreed. for me MP is the only thing that counts.

[Leaf]

 
Thanks for all the feedback guys, guess that settles the purchase. My wallet hates you, by the way.

 

I'm a fan of Hartmann's tactics, so with a bit of practise I should be able to fly the plane to its strengths. 

[Dr_Molenbeek]

It is untouchable if well flown.

 

The only thing which can be a problem is a Yak-1 with a good energy advantage over you when you're low down.

[Y-29.Silky]

The only thing which can be a problem is a Yak-1 with a good energy advantage over you when you're low down.

 

This just happened, except I (Yak) didn't have the E advantage, I caught up to the 190 with ease. It felt wrong. A high altitude La-5 can also be a huge problem.

Edited November 16, 2014 by Silky

[Elbows]

The 190 and La-5 are cool planes (I have them both), but I'd easily say they're not worth $20 a pop.  None of the modeled aircraft in BoS are worthy of a $20 price-tag.  As long as you understand that 50% of more of that money is just a donation to the producers/developers, then only you can judge if its worth the money.

 

Also, understand that despite the name "Premium" - there is no quality difference between these and the other aircraft.  I picked one up for myself a buddy and then he did the same for me --- so we ended up with both.  We both agree that we will not be paying $20 per plane in the future.

 

Cool aircraft?  Yes.

Worth $20?  No.

 

If you're cool with that - pick it up.

[Leaf]

Considering that DCS charges double that, I think the price is reasonable. High? Yes. But for a reason.

Only flew for like an hour; seems a bit unstable and I'm used to a higher climbrate, but it feels so powerful! Awesome plane sofar!

[Bearcat]

IMO the premium planes are both worth it. For me it was a no brainer.

[andyw248]

Imo - when it comes to performance as a fighter- no!

When it comes to performance at a groundattacker - yes!

When it comes to supporting the game - double Yes!

When it comes for looks - tripple yes:)

 

When it comes to the sound, look, and feel of a radial - buy the La-5

[Matt]

Both the La-5 and Fw 190 are modelled at least as well as the other fighters.

[3instein]

When it comes to the sound, look, and feel of a radial - buy the La-5

The look and feel are fine with me, just wish the sound was a little better, louder, meatier? It sound like I'm flying a souped up hairdryer

 

Mick. .

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Fw190 is good as an attacker. Sounds are a bit meh, even if you open the cockpit the sounds stays the same. It should get louder with cockpit open. Fw190 is a nice bird though.

[Bomred]

I upgraded my account two weeks ago with this aircraft and I don´t regret at all.

 

Quite different from 109, more difficult to manage when turning; it´s very easy to stall but it is unbeatable downing IL2 y Pe2.

[kissklas]

I am not regretting buying the premium when I bought this game. Even if the 109 F4 is still my favourite on the German side, the FW 190 is such a blast to fly and totally worth it. What a roll rate! The La 5 is great as well:)

[sturmkraehe]

 

Imo - when it comes to performance as a fighter- no!

When it comes to performance at a groundattacker - yes!

When it comes to supporting the game - double Yes!

When it comes for looks - tripple yes:)

 

Id really love to fly it. But i am flying fighter mostly and for that purpose it simply sucks.

 

maybe in MP , but in SP is good as 109. One burst and all enemy fighters are wingless.

 

Na, I have flown the 190 in MP and it is - if flown right - unbeatable. I frequently make several kills in one sortie and return safely. Compared to the planes I down with the 190 the times I in a 190 have been down vanishes. On the other hand I have been down as much in a La5 as I have downed others. Speaking of MP only. The 109 I cannot say because I only fly it online if I don't have a choice. 

[Streiff]

If you expect to roll your way out of trouble with the 190 you will be setting yourself up for a rude awakening.

 

 

Other than that, go for it.

[Yakdriver]

How about we spin the question on Leaf...

"Leaf, are you worthy of stepping into the 190 cockpit?"

please discuss.
:-)

Edited November 17, 2014 by Hawker_Typhoon

[Streiff]

Na, I have flown the 190 in MP and it is - if flown right - unbeatable. I frequently make several kills in one sortie and return safely. Compared to the planes I down with the 190 the times I in a 190 have been down vanishes. On the other hand I have been down as much in a La5 as I have downed others. Speaking of MP only. The 109 I cannot say because I only fly it online if I don't have a choice. 

 

 

Well, as good as the 190 may be, there isnt anything i can do in the 190 that i cant do better in the 109. And when i say I i mean anyone. Weird but true. And this is from someone who flown the 190 almost exclusively in IL2 for years before BoS, so the tactics is, shall i say, familiar to me. 

Edited November 17, 2014 by Baron

[Yakdriver]

i crash better in a 190 than you will EVER be able to crash in a 109. in all simulators ever existing and in the future.

and you can not prove that this statement is wrong.

 

mwahahahahaha :-P

Edited November 17, 2014 by Hawker_Typhoon

[dkoor]

Peoples...

 

This ride has to be flown in disciplined manner.

 

And yes, mr. Sturmkraehe is right... if flown right, it could as well be unbeatable, unlike any other fighter in game.

 

For instance, just being able to shallow dive out of danger is HUGE advantage.

Picked up speed fast becomes insane.

Edited November 17, 2014 by dkoor

[SR-F_Winger]

Flown in disciplined manner. I dont get why so many try to talk the 190 good. As if it would only become good in the hands of a good pilot.

Here are the facts:

 

1. Its slower than the 109 F4 at almost all heights that count (above 1000m)

2. Its turnrate sucks compared to all other fighters in game.

3. Its climbrate sucks compared to all other fighter except maybe the LAGG3:)

4. OK it can dive ffaster than all other fighters - give her that.

5. Firepower is awesome - give her that BUT Put gunpods under the 109 and you have almost as much firepower and STILL perform much better.

6. BnZ capability sucks. Dive from 4000 to 2000 in a 190 and in a 109 then climb back upo at max speed. The 109 will end up with at least 500m more height.

Imo: Its a nice plane that sucks for dogfighting and excells for pounding bombers, IL-2s and can do some good groundattackings. Beware if you have a YAK or LA-5 on your tail with even energy and a decent pilot. Youre toast!

Edited November 17, 2014 by VSG1_Winger

[sturmkraehe]

Flown in disciplined manner. I dont get why so many try to talk the 190 good. As if it would only become good in the hands of a good pilot.

Here are the facts:

 

1. Its slower than the 109 F4 at almost all heights that count (above 1000m)

 

I don't know if it is slower than the 109f4 but it's faster than the opponent. Enough for me.

 

 

2. Its turnrate sucks compared to all other fighters in game.

 

 

I disagree. Its turnrate is nice and smooth. Of course if you go for slow fights then your assertion is correct in the sense that it does not turn well (not sure if it is worse than all other fighters).

 

 

3. Its climbrate sucks compared to all other fighter except maybe the LAGG3:)

 

 

Climbrate is only important if you have burnt all your energy and you are at co-energy as your opponent. Here discipline should kick in and then the climbrate of the 190 is sufficient. If not you still can run and/or dive away.

 

 

 

5. Firepower is awesome - give her that BUT Put gunpods under the 109 and you have almost as much firepower and STILL perform much better.

 

 

If the FM is modelled correctly you should not choose gunpods over the guns of a 190 because the gunpods should detoriate your roll rate considerably.

 

 

 

6. BnZ capability sucks. Dive from 4000 to 2000 in a 190 and in a 109 then climb back upo at max speed. The 109 will end up with at least 500m more height.

Imo: Its a nice plane that sucks for dogfighting and excells for pounding bombers, IL-2s and can do some good groundattackings. Beware if you have a YAK or LA-5 on your tail with even energy and a decent pilot. Youre toast!

 

 

I for my part like to go into dogfights with the 190 but of course it has to be flown differently than the 109. As I said: You need to fly it disciplined (that has nothing to do with being a good pilot although discipline likely will help to become a good pilot). You need to judge when to enter a dogfight and when to leave, probably more carefully then in a 109 which is imho still the easiest and beginner friendliest fighter. This is why I said it is more a challenge than the 109. But I stay to my opinion that if flown to her strengths it is unbeatable.

 

Closing this reply I would like to add one point to your list:

 

7. Excellent roll rate. Combined to its other flight characteristics makes the 190 a great fighter.

 

PS: Anybody has a plane that fits best his/her flight style. I for my part like the style possible with the 190. You likely prefer the 109. Fine with me.

Edited November 18, 2014 by sturmkraehe

[unreasonable]

Thanks for all the feedback guys, guess that settles the purchase. My wallet hates you, by the way.

 

I'm a fan of Hartmann's tactics, so with a bit of practise I should be able to fly the plane to its strengths.

Did Hartmann ever fly a 190?

[=EXPEND=Dendro]

One thing I don't like about the german birds is once things get low and dirty I almost always find myself having to run from the fight which is really annoying. I guess you need to be very disciplined in a LW warbird and take your opportunities carefully and don't get low to the deck.

[Faustnik]

The Fw190A3 is very fun! I love the visual model.

 

In BoS, I can only compare FM in a lot of book and original IL-2.

 

Climb is good.

 

Turn is good. If you try to turn to hard its a problem! Nice model!

 

Roll rate, just OK.

 

Hi speed menuver in not good. Fw should be better then any other plane in BoS.

 

Acceleration should be a stronger.

[Badpitbandit]

Hi all,

 

does anybody know how to get the FW190 from BOS to BOM? I can fly the plane selecting the quick mission during campaings but  it will not be shown in the plane menu.

Does that make sense? Do I have to buy again?

 

Please let me know your experiences.

 

Badpitbandit

[Finkeren]

You can not fly the Fw 190 in the BoM campaign. The Fw 190 was not present at the Battle of Moscow. In fact, the Fw 190 wasn't even in service on the Eastern Front at that time.

[Dutchvdm]

Hi all,

 

does anybody know how to get the FW190 from BOS to BOM? I can fly the plane selecting the quick mission during campaings but  it will not be shown in the plane menu.

Does that make sense? Do I have to buy again?

 

Please let me know your experiences.

 

Badpitbandit

 

Hi,

 

To sum it up.. You have both BOS and BOM and the Fw-190? You can fly the 190 during quick missions on both the Stalingrad and Moscow map, but not in the Moscow campaign? That would be normal i think while the 190 is a 1942 plane. For both campaign (And the upcoming career) and MP the Fw-190 will be really usable for Kuban when that comes out.

 

Grt M

[Finkeren]

If you want to fly the Fw 190A3 in a campaign that's not on the Stalingrad map, there is a very good scripted campaign, which you can get for free here:

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/27131-veteranencampaign-jg51-over-velikie-luki/

Edited June 21, 2017 by Finkeren

[=ARTOA=Bombenleger]

The 109 might be faster then the 190 at almost all altitudes, but only on paper.
In reality the FW is not defined by its maximum level speed but by its ability to fly above maximum speed for a longer time because of its speed retention.
Also the 109 max speed in level flight is with 1.42 ata but considering its only usable for 60 seconds I would disregard emergency power almost entirely.
The FW can use its emergency power for 3 minutes, but I would argue that those 3 minutes make the difference between emergeny power being useful or not, in the 109 its just too short to be useful.
3 minutes is enough to escape from an enemy without having to count the seconds, 1 minute is enough to blow up your engine when you finaly start to gain seperation.
Also when running away from enemys you are most likely at low altitude where the FW is actualy faster than the 109.
But dont expect the roll rate or dive capabilitys of the FW to be a safe escape option, both are last resorts and a skilled pilot will be able to use those maneuvers to his advantage.
The real #1 survival tactic of the 190 is flying in a straight line, thats the one thing it can do so much better than any other plane that a well flown 190 can be considered untouchable.
Add to this the immense amounts of fire a FW can soak up and you got yourself the safest and most survivable plane ingame, that also has the biggest firepower in game.

However you cant win a 1v1 dogfight against a skilled oponent, your best bet in such a situation is to make one pass and then continue on until your enemy turns away or you come near friendlys.
This can be frustrating when you are used to a 109 that can always in every situation turn a 1v1 to its favour only limited by its pilots skill.
But consider that outside of a 1v1 the FW can dogfight very well, if you have teammates it enables you to use drag and bag tactics to greater effect than any other plane simply because of its speed and firepower.

When I fly 109 and I see a Peshka im very likely to just let it go home, attacking a Peshka that is flying in a straight line is either a waste of time or suicide in a 109, only a turning Peshka can be killed safely by a 109.
The FW however can take care of Peshkas way better in way more situations and way faster.

And lastly: Screaming down on an unsuspecting enemy at 800km/h while the plane just handles like a dream at those speeds and sounds like the devil has to be the best thing in this sim.

So yes the FW is absolutely worth it.

Edited June 21, 2017 by =ARTOA=Bombenleger

[Finkeren]

Thread successfully revived.

 

No 109 is faster than the Fw 190s below 2000m, nothing is.

 

Also, while the time limit on the BMW 801 emergency power might nominally be 3 minutes, in dozens and dozens of tries, I have never damaged the engine earlier than 5 minutes.