Question regarding premium purchasers.

[B12]

First off, this is an honest question with no ulterior motive.

 

I'm still catching up with recent events and trying to digest it all, lots to take in.

 

I've read, possibly a statement from Jason? that the extra money premium users paid is not for this sim but a future sim, that's not what I thought but lets leave that aside for the moment.

 

I've read too that Jason (apologies if it was not him) has mentioned that if this sim does not turn a profit then there will be no future sim? Understandable, if this is the case, what would happen to the extra money premium purchasers like myself and others paid, given that its supposed to fund a future sim?

 

I honestly think this is a reasonable question, if its in the wrong part of the forum, please don't delete it but move it if possible.

 

I understand there are no refunds if I don't like the current project, not complaining about that, when I paid for premium I really thought it was for this sim though, sure I had early access, but I never paid extra for that, barely looked at it in development, it was a long term flight sim enthusiast payment to help make this sim the best, maybe I should have read small print better, I certainly will in future

 

I do like what I've seen so far, don't get much time to play these days, not happy with this unlock system at all to be honest and not sure I'd have paid if I knew this would happen, but I'll continue to play the sim in the hope things can change.

 

Thanks for any considered answers to my first questions though.

[=LD=Hethwill]

You are mixing two financial aspect.

 

1. The investment for this title was guaranteed. Meaning they had the backend secured.

 

2. Revenue from sales will fill the void amongst slicing the investor shares and creating a backend for future projects, whatever %% that might be.

 

There is no money hanging in the air. At least that's my view on it.

Edited November 3, 2014 by =LD=Hethwill_Khan

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

Your money is purchasing this product, period.  If 777 made comments about how they finance things internally, that is just them being open.

[dburne]

No, buying the Premium version has never had anything to do with any future sims/expansions on this title. It got you the two premium planes, and very Early Access at the time of it's initial offering.

 

They have certainly stated , any future additional titles/theatres will depend on the success of this initial offering of BOS.

[B12]

Its something I read on another forum ... SimHQ to be honest.

[3instein]

Whether or not you thought your cash was to fund this game or not, does it really matter in the grand scheme of things?

You paid your money and you have your game, where's the problem?

 

Mick.  

[B12]

Whether or not you thought your cash was to fund this game or not, does it really matter in the grand scheme of things?

You paid your money and you have your game, where's the problem?

 

Mick.

 

 

Erm ... The Unlocks that were sprung upon us on the release and we were not made aware of  ... but please, lets not go there, its been covered or not elsewhere, either this will change or it wont, lets keep this on topic of this subject please, lets not give a reason for this thread to be locked or deleted.

 

I hear what the other forum members are telling me and I thank them for that, would be great if Jason could confirm this, because there seems to be a lot of ambiguity going around and it seems to be causing problems in the wider Flight Sim community that we are all part of.

 

None of us are a one trick Pony as simulation users... and this simulation is a very good young Pony with lots of potential and deserves a long life without it being crippled by anyone

[No601_Prangster]

The unlocks were announced in the Developers Diary July 2013 a month before they started taking pre-orders. I don't think that counts as being sprung on you.

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/168-developer-diary/#dd23

Edited November 3, 2014 by No601_Prangster

[B12]

Thanks for posting that and clarifying it for me.

 

I'm not trying to stir the pot here, but am guilty of not reading small print I guess. Of course I'm not happy about this, its not the sim I imagined but have to accept it now and vow to be more careful in future

 

The only area I would like to personally see cleared up is by Jason confirming or not the questions regarding where the premium access money goes or went ... and if it is for a further sim as some have reported him as saying, then what happens if this sim fails and Jason saying there will be no more Sim (I don't want to see that) Its a purely hypothetical but reasonable question that needs answered by someone in charge to be honest (appreciate the user answers) and to quell further speculation and doubts and nip all of the bad karma in the bud once and for all.

 

If that can be done I'll be in peace and read the continuing saga at SimHQ and other forums with the reality it deserves .. zilch.

 

Something official from here needs to be said about what's being said elsewhere though, this is getting ugly, it needs to be nipped in the bud, apology's traded and accepted if need be ... IMHO.

 

Too much bad blood flowing just now.

 

Peace.

Edited November 3, 2014 by Katana1000S

[BraveSirRobin]

The only area I would like to personally see cleared up is by Jason confirming or not the questions regarding where the premium access money goes or went ... 

 

It went towards buying the game.  They're never going to give you the details on how your money was spent.

[B12]

So the posts on SimHQ are lies? if I were Jason I'd be suing.

[Jason_Williams]

What in the world are you talking about? No one paid extra anything. You paid for what you received. Whatever anyone else is saying is simply bizarre. More antics trying to hurt us for no reason it seems.

 

Jason

[B12]

What in the world are you talking about? No one paid extra anything. You paid for what you received. Whatever anyone else is saying is simply bizarre. More antics trying to hurt us for no reason it seems.

 

Jason

 

 

Yep, thats been clarified for me now

 

But now you are here Jason, perhaps you can clarify my original questions, thanks. Did you make these comments that some members of SimHQ say you did?

 

If not you should be suing to the hilt.

 

If you did, more explanation for clarity is respectfully needed IMHO.

 

I've read, possibly a statement from Jason? that the extra money premium users paid is not for this sim but a future sim, that's not what I thought but lets leave that aside for the moment.

 

I've read too that Jason (apologies if it was not him) has mentioned that if this sim does not turn a profit then there will be no future sim? Understandable, if this is the case, what would happen to the extra money premium purchasers like myself and others paid, given that its supposed to fund a future sim?

 

I honestly think this is a reasonable question, if its in the wrong part of the forum, please don't delete it but move it if possible.

Edited November 3, 2014 by Katana1000S

[Mainstay]

Hes talking about this i think

 

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4030907/Why_I%27m_not_mad_as_a_%22fou#Post4030907

[B12]

Thanks Mainstay, and the information/disinformation on the other threads there too.

 

if this was hanging over my head I'd want it cleared up.

[Jason_Williams]

Ok I see what they are trying to say. What a mess over there. Glad I left.

 

Someone is trying to claim that my comments here http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/12310-founders-have-we-served-our-purpose/?do=findComment&comment=190657 somehow indicate that your payment for BOS as a founder is going towards another product? Ummm...no that's not what I said. What I was referring to was that even though we were given the capital to make BOS even without Early Access, no second product would be built unless this first one turns a profit. That's how it works, you invest in the product, you sell it, any profits after initial investment is recouped can be used to fund another product. That's it. Anyone trying to assign some kind of extra meaning to what I said is simply wrong.

 

Jason

[B12]

Thanks Jason

[Mainstay]

Thank you for the quick reply. 

[BeastyBaiter]

There seems to be a lot of this nonsense going around. I haven't commented on it before but the situation from my perspective is incredably simple. I paid $95 for early access and 10 planes back in September 2013 or whanever it was and that's exactly what I recieved.