Developer Diary, Part 81

[Nankeen]

 

 

After you are done with the tutorial, 4 first missions (3 with the LaGG and 1 with the 109) which takes no more than 20 mins to be done with, you have 3 airfields open and all planes available. I just did try it.

 

Thank you for the heads up Haashashin

[FuriousMeow]

Oh man, seriously? I attempted to land my plane for "extra xp", banged it up a little, and now I can not continue or even reset my profile? What a horrible bug to find after so much anticipation for this update.

 

I am bummed out now.

 

Has anyone submitted a bug report about this issue yet?

 

I've had zero issues with progressing the campaign, aside from the fact I have zero desire to play it.

[Nankeen]

Thanks for the update. The best news is that this is the last time I will have to completely uninstall the game. Downloading in this part of Australia is a painfully slow procedure. 140-220kbs is the best speed I can get.

 

  Yes same here Feathered, still down . . . . loading

[Elbows]

Well my buddy and I just fired it up.

 

Add us to the list of unlocks in single-player is a horrible idea crowd.  So much so that we're already discussing not playing the game (or purchasing further DLC etc.).  Unfortunately the 3rd and 4th members of our small gaming group are likely going to skip out on this.

 

I'm reserving full judgment until the final game is released, but we're immediately regretting the $95 we've both spent on the game - particularly since I launched a thread to highlight the game on another forum.  There was a right way to do this and a wrong way - and the creators have chosen the wrong way.  Sadly my abundant enthusiasm for RoF/777 lead us to immediately buy into the game.

 

THE RIGHT WAY: Unlocks should be 100% available in multi-player, full stop.  In the campaign the story should have been devised so that players advance through a career/squadron, gradually moving to new airfields and receiving new equipment for upgrades.  Every mission or two, "new" equipment should have been supplied by logistics, allowing the player to experience progression through a number of fighters and additional equipment.  Training wheels and giving players some kind of interest in progressing through the campaign.  This rewards the players who want to play single-player and does not penalize the players who (like 70% of us) will never play single-player.

 

The flight-sim crowd is not the Call of Duty crowd.  We're not angst-ridden 14 year olds you need to feed shiny rewards and tokens every 30 minutes to keep us playing a game.  I know many people on here have literally hundreds and hundreds (sometimes thousands) of dollars on flight sticks, monitors, controls etc.  They're going to play the game, and will, if you let them.  As mentioned most of the people will not ever both stepping into single-player mode.  This is a genuinely stupid decision and I hope it's reversed.

 

So that's two players who won't be buying in more, unless this changes - and two additional players who won't be buying in at all. 

[FuriousMeow]

Performance wise, though, this re-install has produced a very smooth game. My FPS actually went up, everything became smoother - especially around Stalingrad with all of the smoke and I'm running SLI but still had some dips previously - so there has been quite a bit of performance related fixes/enahcements/corrections/etc. It is running extremely well for me after the unisntall/reinstlal/update.

[indiaciki]

works fine. first mission in expert mode. 

 

One thing, though:

 

since there is a flight plan with times (3min, 50s at what airspeed? how high are you supposed to fly / intercept?, please:

 

1 FLIGHT LEVEL

2. IAS for FORMATION

 

it doesn't make any sense without these information. Please fix that. Cruise at....x km/h at flight level x for cruise to waypoints. target level for intercept? At least high / low...

 

cruise speed for each aircraft 400km/h or 500? 350? to waypoint and cruise height 600m or 6000m? Target expected at? 500m or 5000m ?

 

flying is 3d

Edited October 4, 2014 by indiaciki

[71st_AH_Hooves]

Yeah, I've been a pretty staunch enthusiastic supporter of BoS and the Dev team.  But this is the worst idea I have ever seen.  The no mans land is not the place you want to put your game.  It pleases no one and pisses most people off. Why you dev's are so dug in on this decision is beyond me.  CloD had bad management, it looks like BoS is having terrible decision making.  You guys can still turn this around.  Please listen to your fans.  They are genuinely baffled by this abhorrent system.  

[BSS_Mudcat]

 

 

Also, we’ve updated the Founders’ hangars with exclusive skins and other little things that we promised to all participants of the pre-order program.

 

Anyone have these, I didn't see anything...   

[MarcoRossolini]

Having downloaded the game now and given it a whurl, I'm not sure about the line that we have to play SP to get all our aircraft, I flew an Il-2 just moments ago on the Eagles server no problems, didn't check the load outs however...

 

I'm reserving judgement on this one currently. We'll see.

[SYN_Mike77]

you do not have to unlock planes.  You do however have to unlock skins and weapons.

[Elbows]

Raven...did you read the actual post?  Steam users don't have to do anything.  It's automatic.

[Ravenravenshadows78]

I don't have the steam version, I bought the alpha version, -- yes it is automatic, that's why it would be nice to have a steam key...where is my steam key?

How hard is it?

[1./KG4_Blackwolf]

I for one will not do the grind to get the unlocks, I thought that what I paid 95 dollars for in the alpha testing stage would bypass all that crap. I cannot stand single player mode and do not wish to play it. Like CLOD I paid over 50 bucks and got a bad release, you can buy the game now for under ten bucks and patch up the TF mods for a better game.

This is a waste of money for me. I hate SP mode , could care less about it and don't care if there is a campain( yes I spelled it that way because it is a pain) or not.

MP on line should not be the same as a off line mission. I will not play off line stupid AI missions to get on line weapons. I for one am pissed off. Just give us the ROF buy weapons mods deal so we can bypass the single player mode please. Or stand up and say "Yes you did buy the game early so you can have the locks unlocked!" This is stupid and I do think I will cut my losses and say well you got me for 95 bucks and shelf the game. Clod and DCS are coming out better. Oh and after you get this game out, ...fix ROF its in need of a big update.

[SYN_Mike77]

thats a valve/steam thing raven, not a 777 thing.

[LukeFF]

works fine. first mission in expert mode. 

 

One thing, though:

 

since there is a flight plan with times (3min, 50s at what airspeed? how high are you supposed to fly / intercept?, please:

 

1 FLIGHT LEVEL

2. IAS for FORMATION

 

it doesn't make any sense without these information. Please fix that. Cruise at....x km/h at flight level x for cruise to waypoints. target level for intercept? At least high / low...

 

cruise speed for each aircraft 400km/h or 500? 350? to waypoint and cruise height 600m or 6000m? Target expected at? 500m or 5000m ?

 

flying is 3d

 

Agreed. The compass heading information is a big help, but we also need altitude and airspeed information, a la Rise of Flight.

[pencon]

Go to data folder in oyur BoS installation, find file startup.cfg. Update your resolution in graphics section. In interface section, change language line to "eng", like in examples below.

 

[KEY = graphics]

full_height = 1080

full_width = 1920

fullscreen = 1

win_height = 1080

win_width = 1920

[END]

 

 

[KEY = interface]

language = "eng"

 

Thankyou very Much Trupobaw you saved the day

Edited October 4, 2014 by 6969pencon

[1./KG4_Blackwolf]

Is no one else seeing that those of us who bought the game in its early alpha stage was the crowd source to pay for part of it? And now we are treated just as a new buyer of the game (but at a cheaper price now) made to grind as the rest? I bought into it before August of last year so should we be exempt from this single player grind type of play? If I wanted that type of gameplay I could download War Thunder. 

[pencon]

As far as single player grind missions go , thank god for the 16x fast forward option. This is complete BS to make founders or anyone play the campaigns . It should be optional . I also paid the 95$ to bypass this crap. Developers , you are doing yourselves serious harm with this very bad decision . I'm looking at multiplayer tonight , and there's NO ONE PLAYING . Please take a hint! Or do you want this GAME to go into the discount bin at walmart ? Instead , why not keep it a SIM and skip the unlock BS ? That's WHY we paid in advance , to skip it .I thought this was IL2 , not war thunder . If it's going to be war thunder you might as well include every fighter plane from every decade and country .There's a saying at least where I come from - the customer is always right . Please think about it . Thankyou for an otherwise great sim .

Edited October 4, 2014 by 6969pencon

[1./KG4_Blackwolf]

As far as single player grind missions go , thank god for the 16x fast forward option. This is complete BS to make founders or anyone play the campaigns . It should be optional . I also paid the 95$ to bypass this crap. Developers , you are doing yourselves serious harm with this very bad decision . I'm looking at multiplayer tonight , and there's NO ONE PLAYING . Please take a hint! Or do you want this GAME to go into the discount bin at walmart ? Instead , why not keep it a SIM and skip the unlock BS ? That's WHY we paid in advance , to skip it .I thought this was IL2 , not war thunder . If it's going to be war thunder you might as well include every fighter plane from every decade and country .There's a saying at least where I come from - the customer is always right . Please think about it . Thankyou for an otherwise great sim .

Hit your vote up..you're saying what I am in a way. S!

[216th_Peterla]

Maybe you'll try to put me on fire but I like the unlocks idea...

[Jason_Williams]

Listen guys,

 

We have said all along that this was the system that was being built and would be implemented. Why anyone would assume that just because you bought the early access you would be exempt from this system is bizarre. If you want to help us find bugs and test the system great, if you want to complain about something ya'll knew was coming that is not helpful. This is the system Loft was designing all along and is now implementing. There should be no surprises here.

 

Jason

[=CFC=Conky]

Looks like I'm going to have to remap all my controls....again....

 

Another hour or so out of my life that I'll never get back.

 

*sigh*

[Jason_Williams]

Always back up your input folder. Very easy to do.

 

Jason

[TheBlackPenguin]

Interesting system for SP, finding quite engaging, but the playback for the first video was choppy and the tutorial doesn't seem to take a long time. Perhaps this system wasn't clear enough, but I do wish those who want to play multiplayer will have access to all paints and unlocks if possible?

 

I have also noticed a few North African and Italian paints (sorry, hate the terms skin, gives me the creepy crawlies) included in the unlocks, any reason? These could lead to more speculation.

 

I'll test more over the weekend, never a good idea to do so when tired.

[=FI=Rambo]

As far as single player grind missions go , thank god for the 16x fast forward option. This is complete BS to make founders or anyone play the campaigns . It should be optional . I also paid the 95$ to bypass this crap. Developers , you are doing yourselves serious harm with this very bad decision . I'm looking at multiplayer tonight , and there's NO ONE PLAYING . Please take a hint! Or do you want this GAME to go into the discount bin at walmart ? Instead , why not keep it a SIM and skip the unlock BS ? That's WHY we paid in advance , to skip it .I thought this was IL2 , not war thunder . If it's going to be war thunder you might as well include every fighter plane from every decade and country .There's a saying at least where I come from - the customer is always right . Please think about it . Thankyou for an otherwise great sim .

+1

 

I feel like BOS just fell off a steep cliff with the release of the unlocks and campaign. The campaign is lifeless to me, because its always the EXACT same mission over and over. The only difference is that it takes place in a different part of the map.This is senseless and very pointless to me. The unlocks in multiplayer have killed that aspect of the game which for many that I know is the man reason we bought this game. Shooting at AI is very boring to me, there is no joy or sense of accomplishment. Unless something big changes with the campaign and unlock system I feel that this is the beginning of the end for me at least, and the game is not even released yet    

[AbortedMan]

Listen guys,

 

We have said all along that this was the system that was being built and would be implemented. Why anyone would assume that just because you bought the early access you would be exempt from this system is bizarre. If you want to help us find bugs and test the system great, if you want to complain about something ya'll knew was coming that is not helpful. This is the system Loft was designing all along and is now implementing. There should be no surprises here.

 

Jason

I think it's clear that no one knew the unlocking armament system was being applied to MP as well.

[Afwastus]

Maybe we can just make an unofficial rule that no one uses unlocks in MP? 

Edited October 4, 2014 by Afwastus

[BraveSirRobin]

Listen guys,

 

We have said all along that this was the system that was being built and would be implemented. Why anyone would assume that just because you bought the early access you would be exempt from this system is bizarre. If you want to help us find bugs and test the system great, if you want to complain about something ya'll knew was coming that is not helpful. This is the system Loft was designing all along and is now implementing. There should be no surprises here.

 

Jason

 

I suspect most of us thought that this was such an obviously idiotic idea for MP that you would not actually go through with it.

[PeterZvan]

Unbelivable!!!

 

Not only that we have to grind like retards to get the all the stuff we need for MP, but being forced to do a tutorial and only on Normal settings - what are you guys smoking????!!!???

It kinda makes sence in the Campaign only (with difficulty settings selectable and possibility to turn off the tutorial).

But absolutly not for Quick missions and MP!!!!

I dont have time to play much anymore - I am very happy if I get some MP time in in a week.

And now to be forced to play some retarded tutorials and campaign that I have absolutly zero interest or fun with - I flat out REFUSE to play it.

 

Great move - judging by the responces you just managed to make a great sim which people love and at the same time drive the same people away with this stupid unlock xp BS for which everyone(99,5%) was saying that it was retarded since it was announced the first time months ago.

 

Please reconsider making the unlocks campaign only - or the way I see it a big part of the MP community will go away never to be seen again.

[Static]

Holly slow pipes man., downloading the new build install with a 14M line @ 289KB/s up/down. Forum page error. Check my other puters network usage, no activity. I here they have six legged hamsters now to run the Wheels of the Ethernet Pipes. Wow 67/KB/s @ 60% See you Fall of 2015, teehee.

 

[1./KG4_Blackwolf]

I think it's clear that no one knew the unlocking armament system was being applied to MP as well.

Right, I don't care if SP has to grind to unlock but in MP? It sounds weird to me. Why would you have to play SP to get things in MP? 

[=CFC=Conky]

Always back up your input folder. Very easy to do.

 

Jason

Thanks Jason, I did just that so I should be good to go.

[Jason_Williams]

I think it's clear that no one knew the unlocking armament system was being applied to MP as well.

 

No Loft answered that before several times as have I.

 

Jason

[SYN_Speck]

Always back up your input folder. Very easy to do.

 

Jason

 

I was wondering about this. I did back up my input folder. But BlackSix says above, "2) Don't use old control and views settings in the new version" This seems to instruct us not to do that. Maybe I'm being dense (it's my default mode) but can you guys please clarify, for those who haven't updated yet?

 

Thanks

[Jason_Williams]

I was wondering about this. I did back up my input folder. But BlackSix says above, "2) Don't use old control and views settings in the new version" This seems to instruct us not to do that. Maybe I'm being dense (it's my default mode) but can you guys please clarify, for those who haven't updated yet?

 

Thanks

 

Well then this time it doesn't work. Usually backing up the input folder is what we suggest. Something must have changed for this build.

 

Jason

I suspect most of us thought that this was such an obviously idiotic idea for MP that you would not actually go through with it.

 

I don't know many Russians who bluff.

 

Jason

[GhostLine06]

Jason can you provide insight on the issue where some of us cannot continue in the campaign because we did not get the full 60xp required to unlock the ground attack stage? I crashed on attempting to land in the first tutorial and now I cannot play any further. Can I "reset" my profile somehow?

 

Thank you.

[PeterZvan]

Is there a clear reason why the unlocks are in place for Quick missions and MP as well as campaign (campaign I can understand)?

[39bn_pavig]

Downloading now. Super excited. Thanks to the developers for putting in the hard work to make this game. It has already given me many hours of joy. (I went out and bought a HOTAS/pedals setup just for BoS!) Very much looking forward to the campaign, which I think has the potential to provide a more historically accurate play style than is often possible in multiplayer (due to the difficulty of organizing a whole server full of people to RP.)

Edited October 4, 2014 by Rama
removed inflamatory stuff

[Voidhunger]

so the update is ready or not?

[Static]

I was wondering about this. I did back up my input folder. But BlackSix says above, "2) Don't use old control and views settings in the new version" This seems to instruct us not to do that. Maybe I'm being dense (it's my default mode) but can you guys please clarify, for those who haven't updated yet?

 

Thanks

 

From my experience never keep any file when the the devs state do not use old controls, views, etc. I have always DL fresh from the IL2_setup.exe even though my DL progress is almost 2 hrs @ 3GB with a 16M line. Anyways, once the game launches the fists of money will grant them more pipe.

Edited October 4, 2014 by Static